Nadal's FO backhand bothers me so much

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  1. LanceStern

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    I'm watching Nadal vs. Gabashvili...

    Nadal hits the backhand like 5 feet over the net. It's frustrating. I understand defense, but high loopy balls upset me.

    Gabash is putting up a strong fight second set.
     
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  2. Personally, I've always found Nadal's game despicable...just my opinion, though.
     
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  3. High net clearance is pretty typical for people playing the modern game. What's the big deal? Would a bunch of you prefer he hits super flat like Blake, Berdych or Tursunov? How often are those guys winning? Not to mention the higher ball is just more difficult to deal with on clay.
     
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  4. Cesc Fabregas

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    Like it or not its a great shot to have in your armoury.
     
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  5. That's a great comment. Way to offer an extreme example to make the the "bunch" of us see the light. It's really too bad it's irrelevant.
     
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  6. thejoe

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    Who cares if they are winning? They're entertaining. Why do you think I support Feliciano Lopez? For his results? He's won one match in the last 3 grand slams, but I still support him because, for me, he's the most entertaining player on tour.

    To sum up: If Nadal wins playing boring tennis, I'll congratulate him for winning, and then complain that he's playing boring tennis.
     
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  7. edberg505

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    Now let me get this straight, you are a Sampras fan, correct?

    Ahh, this is more like it. I'm a Taylor Dent and Nicoals Mahut fan but they don't win everything under the sun but I love watching them play.
     
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  8. maximo

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    That's why he's the top spin king.
     
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  9. Frankauc

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    what's the problem? At least, it's in play.
     
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  10. svijk

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    Fail to understand why it bothers the OP??? It sounds like a thought a coach would have, wherein he doesn't see it as a good strategy / technique etc...but why should it bother a fan watching tv?
     
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  11. Exactly.

    10 char.
     
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  12. miyagi

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    Looks good to me especially when he KEEPS winning matches with it!

    If it bothers you THAT much watch someone else and stop complaining!
     
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  13. LanceStern

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    It's ugly boring tennis to me. They put it at angles today where you can see the net clearance.

    It's a great strategy, one I despise because it's been done to me a lot as well, but a good strategy.

    Just ugly and boring. It's almost how the Girls 14-16 singles play only they play with just about all lob shots.

    Well I would, but I have dial up so streams don't work for me. And ESPN2 is the only station I have...
     
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    Another lame thread by a ball bashing ****. Sorry I don't find the flat ball hitters interesting at all. Btw the conditions were extremely slow today. Hard for anyone to attack.
     
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  15. miyagi

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    Tennis is about WINNING not playing beautiful! If you think 14-16 yo girls play like that then you are really naive there is HUGE work on the ball when Nadal hits it....
     
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  16. thejoe

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    Yes I agree, if you're the one playing it. But if you're watching, you want to be entertained.
     
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  17. Nadal_Freak

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    He's just a Nadal hater. Learn to ignore him in the future. He knows nothing about tennis.
     
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  18. BigServer1

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    Meh, it's just personal preference. You don't like flat hitters, you like clay court tennis and crazy topspin while others like different styles.

    I really like Nadal's game, especially when he hits his crazy angles and winners from out of nowhere...It's good stuff to watch.

    Imo, Nadal's backhand has gotten better each year, and it's one of the big reasons why he's 30-0 at the French Open. If Federer had a backhand on clay like Nadal or Djokovic, he might have won a FO or two by now...
     
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  19. thejoe

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    How does him not finding Nadal interesting lead you to think he knows nothing about tennis? You're the one here who doesn't know anything about tennis. And you sell it with this superior pretentious attitude which is what makes it most irritating.

    Entertainment is subjective. I'm with LanceStern. I know lots about tennis, and if anything, this influences my decision in not finding Nadal interesting. It's the idiots who have been watching since last year (mostly Rafa fans) that know nothing.
     
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  20. Nadal_Freak

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    It's alright that he doesn't like Nadal's style. What's annoying is hearing him whine on and on about how horrible it is to watch and make it sound like everyone feels the same.
     
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  21. And what, pray tell, do you know? As others have mentioned, aesthetic preference has nothing to do with tennis knowledge. For example, you like watching long rallies, correct? If someone told you that you know nothing about tennis based on your preference, would you agree?
     
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  22. thejoe

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    Apparently not according to you. This apparently means he knows nothing about tennis :roll:
     
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    Saying Nadal's backhand is equivalent to girls 14-16 tennis is what made him know nothing about tennis. He is a joke. I can't believe you are defending this troll. Typical Fed fans like to join in on the Nadal hate. I wonder why that is? :twisted:
     
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  24. thejoe

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    Right, change the subject after you miss the point. He didn't say it was a 14-16 year old girl's shot. The concept of high net clearance and low aggression is common in bad players. While he of course realises that the shot is world class, and quite possibly the best in the business, it is reminiscent in strategy to the 14 year old girls you see playing at tennis clubs.
     
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  25. I wasn't defending that, just his original statement. He's on his own on that one.

    As to the second bold statement...since you know that I'm one of these "typical Fed fans," care to fill me in?
     
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  26. Nadal_Freak

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    And that is wrong. Way more action on the ball. The high clearance with low spin is a sign of a pusher. Those shots are way more attackable and less damaging.
     
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  27. thejoe

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    Of course they are. That is what I'm saying. Did you not read my post? I said similar in strategy, not execution.
     
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  28. Nadal_Freak

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    Everyone has off pace shots. Those with some variety. I see nothing wrong with high net clearnace. Whatever works at the pro level is not a weak shots.
     
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  29. thejoe

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    Right, and now we're back to the issue of preference, which is where we started. I'm glad we're now clear it is just a difference of opinion.
     
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  30. Pirao

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    I'm sure Nadal is deeply concerned about it.
     
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    And that's why I'm a Roddick fan :).
     
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  32. P_Agony

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    Well said. This is why I acknowledge Nadal is the best player today by far, but I can't watch his matches unless I'm a fan of the opponent.
     
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  33. P_Agony

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    Seriously NF, who hates Nadal here?
     
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    I think everyone is entitled to their opinion because after all this is a forum!

    Nadal's FO doesn't bother me as much as Fed's arrogance though.
     
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  35. Pirao

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    I'm not NF but... Are you refering to this thread or the forum in general?
     
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  36. OddJack

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    Nadal is worried about his BH misses, he's just switched to a more defensive play.
     
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  37. bolo

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    It's a great shot, he has total control, gives it a little bit of loft, sometimes right down the line. A crucial shot in his encounters with fed.
     
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  38. P_Agony

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    In general.

    If someone says he doesn't like Nadal's game that's not say he hates Nadal. Some posters have stated time after time Fed's game bores them as well. It's perfectly fine.
     
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  39. Pirao

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    Quite a lot of people: OddJack here is a clear example, BreakPoint, vtmike, Gorecki, Tennis_Maestro... should I go on?
     
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    Errrrrrr...........

     
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  41. Cesc Fabregas

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    Do people realise it was incredibley windy today? You're an idiot if you play high risk flat ball bashing in windy conditions.
     
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  42. sureshs

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    OP is upset because Nadal will win the FO. Better to win points than slam "elegant" shots into the net. If he is so ugly, his opponents must really suck because they cannot attack these high loopy balls. Nadal flattens out shots when he wants to, namely at Wimbledon. That is why no one is a GOAT unless they win all the Slams.
     
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  43. ChanceEncounter

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    A lot of hypocrisy from Nadal_Freak here.

    Apparently no one can complain that they don't like Nadal's playing style.
     
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  44. Defcon

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    Players who play 10ft behind the baseline with high loopy shots are by definition technically inferior to someone who can play closer. They give up more space, can't take the ball on the rise, need more time to setup their shots, and usually depend on retrieving.

    Nadal makes up for this by having huge topspin, excellent passing shots and transition game. And of course he's a beast physically and mentally. He has the perfect game for clay.
     
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  45. sh@de

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    I agree with whoever said he likes watching Lopez.
     
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  46. bolo

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    Lol. that was easy. :)
     
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  47. Gugafan

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    I noticed Gabashvilli was trying to go DTL to Nadals backhand with his own backhand to try and open up the court and stay away from the big loopy crosscourt forehand from Nadal.

    Federer used this tactic effectively at Madrid. Nadals backhand has improved, but its got less work on it then his forehand and he cant really hurt you with it unless he has angle to work with.
     
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  48. IvanAndreevich

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    You forgot me, Nadal_Freak, and yourself. Because labelling someone on here as a hater is so easy these days.
     
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  49. bolo

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    Technically inferior? You are describing a style of play, you are not describing technique at all.
     
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    Stop making sense!
     
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