Nadal's parents

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  1. Serve_Ace

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    If this problem really did affect his results, then he's not the mentally strong person everyone thinks he is.
     
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    All players have issues..i heard Fed's dad was so sick he couldn't watch his son in the final.

    But divorce is tough on anyone..
     
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  3. endbegin

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    When I posted this thread, I was hoping to start a discussion on how it affects his tennis, but like a lot of threads here it has devolved into these "I am right and you suck" type threads.

    Yes, divorce sucks but I am not concerned with the associated gossip. This news has now been posted on several tennis websites and the main reason is that this is sporting news because it affects Nadal's tennis. After he lost in Miami, he said he was being weighed down because of "personal reasons" and this could be it. There are a lot of other threads around about why he pulled out of Wimbledon which can be summarized as:

    1. Bad knees
    2. Pressure of being no. 1
    3. Hurt badly by Madrid and FO losses on clay
    4. Worried that Soderling showed the world how to beat him
    5. Worried that losing in the early rounds at Wimbledon will result in other players not fearing him
    6. Just plain tired of having to play these marathon 3 and 5 setters all year
    7. Didn't organize his schedule well, i.e. played too much

    and some others too, I'm sure.

    And now, this. It doesn't matter how rich you are, something like this takes a toll, at least initially. To me, this (and not the knees) is a big reason he didn't show up at Wimbledon.
     
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  4. Serve_Ace

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    Well he should be able to get through it
     
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  5. Lsmkenpo

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    Yes,not a good thing, but this is not something new, it's been reported that they have been living apart for over a year, and Nadal does not live at home anymore, he is a grown man with his own apartment, actually apartments.

    The media just likes to portray him as a kid living with his parents still, hasn't been the case for over a year. Media hype, majority of it is outdated information being recycled, for a feel good story.

    Posters act as if this is a major shock, that occurred without warning to Nadal and now he must decide which parent he will live with, and a custody battle will unfold, as if he is a young kid.

    Looking back over the past year by his results, it doesn't seem to me, as if it effected him too much, he had a spectacular year.

    It is not a good thing, but i don't think it warrants a full fledged pity party, he had a great year in spite of it.
     
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    Word,excellent post.
     
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  7. endbegin

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    I am not trying to pity him, or generate some Nadal pity-fest ... like I said before, just didn't completely buy the "my knees hurt" argument and just felt like there was something deeper.
     
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  8. Commando Tennis Shorts

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    I feel sorry for anyone whose parents divorce, but in all honesty...(sighs) I really don't want to sound like a jerk, but I'm gonna go ahead and say what a lot of people might be thinking---He's 23 years old, a grown man. And to the person who equated divorce to death, are you kidding me? They are nowhere near the same thing. Most of the time when people get divorced, THEY NEED TO AND SHOULD.

    I'm not saying it shouldn't be hard on Nadal. But there's a lot of hard sh** that goes on in life, and if his parents divorcing is the worst thing that's ever going to happen to him, that's a pretty cushy life.

    So no, I'm not going to sit here and say, "Oh poor Nadal. This explains a lot. I feel sooooo sorry for him."

    But I'm also not going to say, "He should just get over it."

    Life's about looking forward, not back. I think he knows this, and he (and the rest of his family) will be fine.

    For God's sake, no one died.


    I mean, hell, I never saw pages of posts here of people saying they felt sorry for underage Jelena Dokic getting beaten by her father. Maybe a few, but it didn't have the attention of a Nadal's parents getting divorced. What a strange web we TW posters weave.
     
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  9. TheTruth

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    Excellent post TennisandMusic, and lsmkenpo too.

    I do think far too much special attention is given to athletes and the wealthy.

    We should care for everyone around us.

    But, those who want to pray for someone, that's fine too.

    I'm a big fan of Nadal's but, things happen for a reason, and what looks like a disaster could be a blessing in disguise.

    I'm hoping Nadal rests his knees so he can play tennis in the future. That's it.
     
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  10. TheTruth

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    Hilarious post!
     
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    This is excellent too. I'm glad you brought up the he still lives with his parents issue. That hasn't been the case for awhile. It's weird how the commentators keep acting as if that's true.
     
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    Uncle Toni is almost as annoying as Sharapova's father.
     
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    Word, and WORD! Harsh, but basically true.

    50% of all marriages end in divorce. 1/3 of the kids I dealt with in kindergarten had to deal with their parents' going separate
    ways during the time I worked there. My sister and her husband separated last year, and they have three kids; 12, 11 and 10 respectively. I assure you
    that I applauded their decision. In most cases separating/divorcing is for the best; living in a hostile/unhappy family climate can be way more damaging to a young person's psyche than an actual breakup, after the initial shock and trauma wears off.

    The "they should stay together for the kids"-argument is somewhat compelling when the kids are too young and impressionable
    to understand the ways of the world, but a pretty laughable one when the "kids" in question are 23 and 18. If Rafa is too emotionally vulnerable to deal with something that happen to half the married world's population, then he's got some real issues.
     
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  14. Your first post eh. Well I can tell you my parents split up when I was a kid, and even though I see them both regularly now it STILL isn't fun to think about it, and it STILL sometimes makes me sad. Who wants their parents split up at any age?? And I will be 29 in a few months.

    This idea that because Nadal is 23 and rich, that it won't affect him, is bogus.

    Again we don't even know if this is entirely true do we?
     
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  15. Leublu tennis

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    Gossip alert. He should be left alone in his personal life. I don't care much anyway. It doesn't have anything to do with tennis.


    Joeri:If Mirka goes into labour just before Fed's potential SF match at Wimbledon & Fed doesn't play would you say his personal life has nothing to do with his perhaps not appearing? Personal life affects tennis dot com. Comparing divorce to a bad sleep, flu, or cough is no analogy. Your examples are all temporary measures compared to divorce. A combination of negative factors in one's life will always affect performance. As Nadal's uncle coaches him and his closely knit family have always been a kind of signature for Nadal it has very much to do with his tennis. Tennis is his life and so is his family. Just because some personal effects are positive (marriage and children) and others not, (divorce) personal circumstances will affect a player's tennis, because behind celebrity status they are ordianary people like you and I.


    If you're 23, and your parents divorce translates into YOUR personal life falling apart, something's up.

    Kanamit: Rafa is mainly on tour and returning "home" to Manacor is his haven. Last year he bought his first home so we could presume "moved out of his parents' home. I doubt he's spent much time there coz he's been mostly on tour. Home now means, own house, mom and dad living separately and sister in Barcelona. The closely knit family is now in 4 separate pieces. That's what I mean by "personal life falling apart." Take personal as "family" if you wish.

    Mods: thanks for removing that tasteless idiotic message which Nadal_Freak was referring to.

    To anyone referring to money, age or poor other kids who have suffered similar or worse things. The thread is about the negative circumstances Nadal finds himself in, not the world's woes. Divorce is a universal thing, a signature of the western world and leaves noone untouched. So before you jump in insulting others for perhaps "never having helped other children or mocking people because Nadal is their idol" why don't you hold yourself in check. You come onto a board anonymously, not knowing what anyone has suffered or what they do in their life. Lashing out with rash assumptions only demonstrates your own personal unresolved issues.

    What you forget (and I do work with children) is that Rafa is their idol and especially for those who come from broken homes! Successful Rafa advocated that family dream that many of those children will never experience. Their "little dream" is also shattered. So before you shout out "think of others, not your idol " why don't you take your own advice.


    to the OP Endbegin: When I say someone has to be blamed, it is in light sheer heartedness to find a laugh in it somewhere. Ultimately two parents are always to blame anyway, it takes two in any relationship. I would take out points 2,3,4,5 and 6 out of your summary. They are nonsense.

    That leaves his knees, a too busy schedule and personal family matters which has left Nadal in a phase of not being able to play his best or with the desire to win and rise above all adversity. No one is saying that's why he loses. Everyone loses matches. But it would explain his temporary withdrawal from the main tennis events which he is always so involved in.
     
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  17. Underhand

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    So which parent will get Rafa after the divorce? How will the divorce judge decide?
     
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    Unc I have seen at matches but not Maria's father. When did you see him and what was so annoying about him?
     
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    You come up with some real funnies at times. This one is so original.
     
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  20. tahiti

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    He seems in the media to be closer to his father, but I would say his Mother. She's the cook!
     
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    Couldn't disagree more!Parents are separate people you know,and they have their own lives.The world doesn't revolve around Rafa!
    They have been living separate for quite a few years already,and there's been rumour about separating officialy all this past year.

    This has no question with the loss at the FO,because Rafa knew about this for quite a whole time.He already mentioned some personal problem in Miami.
    He might be affected,but he was long affected before the French,and since he could win the other tournaments,no reason it would affect him losing that one.
     
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    I agree.Age doesn't matter.Nor riches.

    Yeah I'm sorry but it is true.:(
     
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    I didn't for one minute mean to imply that it wouldn't affect him or his performances (it most likely has, for some time already), I was merely challenging the myth (which I've seen some people on this thread perpetuate) that divorce is and always will be a selfish decision. It's never as black/white as that. In some cases it can be the most unselfish decision to make. Sure, having your parents divorce is no "fun" as you put it, regardless of age, but living in a joyless marriage sure can't be much "fun" either. As for Rafa, I am sure he wouldn't wish that continued fate on his parents even if it WAS for his sake, because that would be mighty selfish on his part.
    I'm sure he'd rather wish for them to be happy.

    Then again, like you said, we don't even know if this is true or not. For all we know this rumour could all be media hogwash.
     
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    for making fun of nadal, i hope u suffer one day. what goes around comes around!
     
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    Words of wisdom.

    Rafa is a grown-up man, and people who keep on referring to him as a 'kid' really make me shake my head in wonder. He's young, yes, but at that age you should know what goes around in the world, and I'm sure he does. It may have affected him for a bit - like everyone would be - but it surely shouldn't be the 'drama' some posters make it sound like.
     
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  26. babbette

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    It's easy for people coming from countries with no strong family values ( meaning countires were the norm is for the child to move out by 18 ) to say "he's a grown man, i'm sure his millions will make him feel better." But for a Spanish lad like Rafa with strong family values, that has lived with his parents since he was born I can imagine how this could affect him and how this could hinder his focus on things.

    But also, I give him more credit than this. I think he's much more mature than people or media give him credit for. I'm not sure we can say this problem affected his performance. After all they have been seperated since last year, around Wimbledon time I believe, so he would have had time to contemplate the idea even though it is never easy, believe me I know from personal experience and many others do too. Especially when deep down you hope that during their seperation something will click and they will get back together.


    He must feel like his world is falling apart at the moment, his knees, press going on about his longevity plus this. Hopefully the seperation isn't bitter so he doesn't have to worry about communicating with one parent without hurting the other, like I have to. It's tough. I wonder if he's going to live on his own now or whether his dad will move out and he will remain with his mother. He does have a home in Porto cristo and another one is being build in Ibiza.

    Things will be alright. Devasting time, but things should get better.



    Although, for me, years down the line and my parents are still a damn nightmare, bickering like kids and accusing me of taking sides when I act caringly towards the other. fun and stressless times. :-x
     
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    parent's divorce every day all over the world
    why should it be earth shattering for Nadal in particular?[​IMG]
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    because for any child that has lived with his parents since they were young, and for someone that values tight family unit it would be a huge blow.
     
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    A great post Babette - and with humour
     
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    Well, at least as he doesn't read too much in English, he probably doesn't read your syrupy drivels so there's a little ease for him in this cruel world.
     
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    Oh yeah? You hope my parents are going to spilt up? Well not going to happen bro.
     
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    I am willing to adopt Nadal and "manage" his money for him
     
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    You're the most clever in this thread.
     
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1195122/Rafael-Nadals-heartache-parents-split.html

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    He withdrew from defending his Wimbledon title because of his bad knees. But Rafael Nadal has also been nursing a more personal hurt.

    For many weeks there have been whispers that all was not well in the Nadal household, and yesterday it was confirmed that the world number-one's parents Sebastian and Ana Maria have separated.

    Nadal's family is hugely important to him. The 23-year-old still lives in the family home in Majorca and is coached by his uncle Toni.

    A source close to the Nadal camp said: 'Rafa is devastated. All through the past couple of months he has been trying to get his tennis back on track, but his heart has been elsewhere.

    'In public he has put on a brave face, but in private he has been hoping for a reconciliation and fervently wishing this wasn't happening. Now he has returned home and is catching up with his family.

    'He talked about resetting his body after withdrawing from the championships and yet he has a more difficult task - resetting his entire life.'

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    Nadal isn't the first top player whose parents have bothered his career. Peter Graf's tax problems took a toll on Steffi, and the Capriati's actions and split destroyed Jennifer's career and her life for a while. Fortunately, she got it back. And then there's Richard Williams.....
     
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    Lets not forget Djoko's parents too .....
     
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    Rafa's parents are the ones getting the divorce not Nadal and for the record I don't know anyone whose happy about getting a divorce:rolleyes:

    Nadal's parents will ALWAYS be there with him and for him
    and once again I'll say this;this happens every bloody day
    his parents are alive;not dead and not sick on their death beds!:rolleyes:
    so quit being a drama queen

    I'm sure ALL of the players share your idea of a "tight family unit" too but most don't get major press like Rafa and don't have whiners like you who is prolly crying your eyes out for him
    he'll survive cuz like i said it ain't a life and death situation so stop your crying:roll:
     
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    Well, all I can say is that after living with a Spanish-speaking family (and this is true throughout the Spanish-speaking world, and isn't limited to Spain), is that their lives revolve around the family. Family is EVERYTHING to them, and is one of the cornerstones of a stereotypical Latin (as in anyone that speaks Spanish, French, Italian, Romanian, or Portuguese) family. This kind of thing is bad enough, but in a culture that puts family over everything, this is even worse.
     
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  39. babbette

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    Oh believe me I can't cry for a guy building a home in Ibiza and buying one in the carribean to ease his pain. :lol: but you seem bitter. What I said is what I said, there's no point in saying anything else. :wink:
     
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    syrupy drivel, mmm :lol:
     
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    Its a real reminder that the tennis players we watch are just human beings with good things in their lives and bad things.
    Everything that impacts your life outside of the sport has some kind of effect on your game too, regardless of sport.
    I remember watching Agassi lose at the US Open to Clement the same week it came out in the press that his mother and sister were both battling cancer. (At the Australian open when Clement made the finals, he said in a press conference that he felt confident since he had beaten Agassi at the US Open...)
    We like to think of the athletes we watch as somehow being above the daily problems that other people have, but they are just people...with all the good and bad that entails.
     
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    Same here. A divorce is always traumatic, it really doesn't matter how old one is. Your parents don't stop mattering to you because you turn 18. I hope Rafa will sort out his various crisis with family and knees because tennis is less exciting without him and we need him back at the top.
     
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    For some reason, i see Nadal making the final at the US Open...
     
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    ^^^good man.I hope you're right. :(


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    they say his parents seperated during after Wimbleon last year so I always wondered if the picture above was one of the times his parents told him.
    :( That's how I look every time I have to listen to my mum or dad about their feuds. :p well minus the golden torso.
     
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    yes he was pretty close,but it's not exactly like all the other spanish children since from young he has been travelling around the world and wasn't around all the time with his family.I don't say this wouldn;t affect him,but it's strange something that was already from last year known,surfaces now..
     
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    like many other seperations, maybe seperation for them just meant spend some time apart see how things go. I doubt they decided let's seperate for one year and then divorce. they must've been taking time apart hoping for better but alas. The nadals and not his pr it seems told the press, not sure who did. But it was obviously something none of them must like having in the open.
    I'm tired of this. They should be left in peace. Things must already be hard enough without tennis fans now poking their nose in and having supportive, criticizing or bashful opinions on something they have no idea about. (By no idea I mean no idea why his parents decided to end it, I don't mean people have no idea about divorcing parents.)
     
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    I'm not sure if its still a very confirmed news...But nevertheless its sad..I dont know how much it affects him personally.I mean,he must've known it for a long time and still won 5 tourneys but personally its a big blow.
    Hope it gets sorted out somehow , if indeed,the news is true.
     
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    I have heard that his father already all these years,for months was away managing Nadal,while his mother was home.So maybe that's why their marriage didn't work...Of course they should be left alone,and I'm sorry to hear such news.But I don't like either to see this used as an excuse by some here.That's why I say it.
     
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    ^^or perhaps their marriage didn't work because his mother is not happy about his father and uncle encouraging nadal to use roids.

    all specualtion, and yet here we have this thread talking about his personal life, and the other thread (doping) about his public life gets deleted. :roll:
     
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    lol so you say we combine the both??:mrgreen:
    Yeah..but roids allegation is just smth very serious imo.But if you find these articles in the internet (I'll be looking around too) please post them.
     

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