Nadal's performance in the future wimbledons

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How well will Nadal do in the future wimbledons?

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  1. Clay lover

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    Well, Nadal's future hardcourt success is currently under heated discussion:twisted: and it is getting a little old for me.

    I just want to hear your opinions on his future performance in Wimbledon. We haven't been able to see Nadal on grass this year (I mean REAL matches) and I wonder how well he can perform when he is back next year at the grass season.

    On one hand, we can say that the big hitters have already got Nadal's number and they can translate their hardcourt success against Nadal on to the grass surface. But on the other hand, one could also argue that Nadal has traditionally struggled on fast hardcourts anyway and this is irrelevant to his grasscourt success, and he may well pick up his confidence and step up his game as a three-time finalist and 08 champion on his favourite surface (that's what he says).

    I presonally don't have a clue. That's why I am asking for your opinions. However, I certainly do HOPE that he will come back to be a strong grasscourt player next year so that things will be interesting again:)
     
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  2. batz

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    Rafa will be a threat on grass for some years to come.
     
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    Well, if he performs well, he's back to full health; if he performs poorly, then he's injured/exhaused/not healthy/suffering from hair loss -- at least so goes the ********* mantra :-?
     
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  4. Clay lover

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    lol. you are right. Ill just take that section away to avoid controvery:)
     
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  5. clayman2000

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    All I know is that Nadal is currently riding a 12 game grass win streak.

    As for his play on grass, I think he will always be better there then on hard courts. Plain and simply their are more upsets at Wimbledon because of the surface. As per normal, Rafa should be able to get to the QF simply because of his rank and consistency. Then instead of having to play Gonzo -- Del potro like he did at the USO, you end up with a Berdych or a Gasquet.

    And also grass is no longer a fast surface. If you look at the 09 Wimby final, it was as much a tactical battle from the ground as it was a serving fest. The surface is slow and low bouncing. This helps consistent hitters like Nadal.

    If Murray or Djokovic or Davydenko played Nadal on grass id pick Nadal even now.
     
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    Davydenko would get clobbered by Nadal for sure; but if he runs into a redhot grass player like Roddick or Hewitt then he could be in for alot of trouble.
     
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    He'll almost certainly win more Wimbledon championships. My money was on him this year and I think had he decided to play on with his injury, he would still have had a pretty good shot at it!
     
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    I think Nadal will always be a favourite for Wimbledon.He's reached three finals there,winning one and I think he really worked on his game so that he would do well there.Interesting times ahead.
     
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    I don't know he would have had to gone through Hewitt, Roddick, then Murray all who were playing well (especially Hewitt and Roddick, both who were red hot). And then after ALL of that, he would have had to go through a Federer who served absurdly well.
     
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    I think he will reach the second week for a few more years, but as others have mentioned the likes of Roddick and other seasoned grass courters could pose difficulties. I also think that Murray could take Nadal on grass.
     
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  11. Cesc Fabregas

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    He'll win it next year.
     
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  12. Gen

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    If he can get his game together, he has a good chance. Grass is good for his motion, he slides on it no worse than he does on clay. The most difficult thing on grass is serve return, because big servers have a ball on this surface. Rafa is the best returning player on the tour. Grass is not so good for big hitters as hard, because it's uneven, sleeky and hitting hard produces too many unforced errors.
     
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    It all depends on what form he regains. If his best form is behind him, then he won't reach the finals again unless lucky. If he can regain his form of 2008 or even 2007, then he is of course a favorite to get to the finals. But it isn't at all clear to me that Nadal has played better on grass than Roddick played this year, for example. So if Roddick is playing that well, that will pose a great challenge to him. Even Murray could pose a challenge.

    Del Potro is unknown.
     
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    I don't think he is "sliding" on grass...maybe slipping. If a player can slide at Wimbledon, that's a disgrace.
     
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  15. srinrajesh

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    He should definitely win 1-2 wimbledons in the future...strange that he is not able to transfer his style of play on to fast hard courts as well... his biggest win apart from slow hard AO was the olympic gold in shanghai ...

    anyway i think next year could be the year nadal could complete career slam..
     
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    I think he had his best chance last year. He should be able to beat Murray on HC, but he didn't. This year, Del Potro just out-classed him.

    From now on, he will have to be lucky to win the USO, to even get to the finals. Next year will be his best chance for sure looking forward. But prospectively, we'll be able to say the same thing every year.
     
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    Being honest with you, Murray didnt look very good on grass. yes he won Queens and SF of Wimbledon, but who did he beat. Once he ran into Roddick, who needed 5 sets to beat Hewitt and stuggled mightily against Melzer and Chardy, he was done.

    I think the grass helps his 1st serve, and his FH pass, but thats really it. Roddick really hurt Murray but approaching on the BH side. Also, Murrays 2nd serve sits in perfect smaking territory on the grass.

    Thats just my opinion
     
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    I disagree. If he keeps following the same scheduling path and not make some changes to his game, he will not win the US Open. It was hard for him during his best year so far, it has gotten a lot harder for him from now on.
     
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    Agree. Whom did Murray beat on grass? Wawrinka, Blake and Ferrero. He beat Gasquet last year as well, and Roddick long time ago.

    He hasn't really demonstrated anything special on grass so far. My opinion at least. For one, he's not even close to Fed, Nadal or even Roddick in good form.
     
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    Murray may win Wimby, though I doubt it. Nadal is done, mentally and physically. I've seen some signs he's scared. Still, wait for the Capitala. Nadal could meet Davydenko in SF (hard court, I know sry.)
     
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    :roll: .....
     
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    Federer served absurdly well because it was lame duck Roddick across the net. Had it been Nadal, the serve statistics would be very different for Federer!

    Federer knows he can go for broke on the first serve against Roddick because if it misses it's mark, he can send in a safe second serve, get the ball in play and outmaneuver Roddick. Against Rafa, it's a risky poposition. Just look at their past matches and you'll know what I'm saying.

     
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    Grass is the surface on which Murray has his highest win %. It's the surface on which he won his 1st ATP match, first win over a top 30 player, first win over a top 5 player. He has improved every year the four times he has played Wimbledon.

    I watched the Arod Murray semi again just the other day. It was close - very close. Arod volleyed that day like an absolute god - got the breaks at the right times too (especially a dropvolley winner off the frame at 1 set all, 0-0 30-40 in the third). To say Murray is not even close to Roddick on grass is a bit off the mark IMO.
     
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  24. Davy_for _GOAT

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    I am talking about top form Roddick, like the one that showed up this year.

    Maybe you're right. Roddick had a ridiculous 1st serve %, Murray was below 50%. Do you remember the exact stats?

    But nonetheless, Roddick beat him in 4 sets. Federer and Nadal in any reasonable form can beat Murray easily.
     
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    He also hasn't won a tournament in months(sans DC). I am curious to see if he made changes with his game coming back next year and how he will get back his confidence. He has the AO to defend and there are more good HC players out there, including a handful of players that has gotten under his skin lately.
     
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    I believe he will change his game.

    At times in his matches you could see glimpses of the 08 Wimby winner and the 09 AO winner.

    Its all about practice for Nadal. If he spends a lot of time in the "offseason" working on hitting deeper, and moving the ball around the court better then I believe he can wins more slams on HC and grass.
     
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    Nadal wasn't injured this year. Get over it already.
     
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    The only game that would work for him is one like Davydenko's and that would require running a lot still sooo.... he can't emulate anyone else's game. I honestly think he is the least big hitter in the top 10 currently (Tsonga might try smaller hitting)
     
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    So am I - and 3-1 with the last two sets being close tiebreaks says that even an on fire ARod v Murray on grass is a close thing.

    Murray hit 70 od winners that day, only 20 UE, had more aces than Arod too - and lost! Arod's volleys were just immense.
     
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    Either way, a lucky reprieve for Federer! :)

     
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  31. Turning Pro

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    The doctors quote's prove otherwise, it's like saying federer never had mono, back problems.
     
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    Thank you for bringing back pleasant memories of that service game of Fed's in the 5th set of their past Wimbledon match of 2007 - right after he'd broken Nadal. 3 superb aces and one second serve not returned in play. Marvellous stuff :)
     
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    Maybe you're right about that match. But really whom did Murray beat on grass? Ferrero? Come on.

    He's still far from Fed and Nadal on grass.
     
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    rafael nadal future wimbledon champ
     
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    Nadal might go deep in FO but I highly doubt Wimby...
     
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  37. TMF

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    Right, he was beaten by Wawrinka and Hewitt on grass.
     
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    He needs to pay attention to his schedule, something he should have done long time ago. I think it's better for him to concentrate on winning more GS than aiming for number 1. His demeanor and style would not allow for longevity at the top spot. Plus he has players like del Po and Soderling he has to deal with, who do not get bothered by his style of play and lately has more confidence over him.
     
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    The "doctor's" stated he needed 3 weeks of rest, diagnosis, treatment, and recovery.

    Guess what?? He continued to play.

    Actions speak louder than words. He wasn't injured.
     
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    Either that or he is just utterly stupid not being able to listen to his body or professional opinion.
     
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  41. drakulie

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    ^^That too.
     
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  42. djokovicgonzalez2010

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    Is ur sig a real quote?
     
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  43. TMF

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    If he skipped a small tournament, then it’s sounds right. But somehow he skipped SW19, that automatically raise a question since hardly any player skipped SW19 after winning the previous year. It doesn’t make any sense not to play his favorite GS. Roger had physical problem in 2008 but he still play on whether if it’s a GS or small tourneys, even with the bad back he still plays WTF. Roger isn’t afraid to lose, but Rafa is terrify. Big difference.
     
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    One swallow doesn't make a summer, Pam'e!

     
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    yep...just like he served in the masters cup ...4 straight bomb aces at 15-40 passed lame duck ****. **** was crushed and proceeded to get destroyed in the second set.

    nadal said "federer serve was unreturnable"
     
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  46. Turning Pro

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    He skipped Queens AND Wimbledon, it's not like he played Queens then skipped Wimby. And federer didn't have an injury ( mild mono), it wouldn't have damaged his career long term if he continued playing (e.g he got to all 4 gs finals in one year, major mono my ass.)
     
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    No, but the video attached is real news footage, and was reported while Wimbledon was underway.
     
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  48. djokovicgonzalez2010

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    I think I saw the vid on THASP
     
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    :evil::evil::evil:
     
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    I'm not really sure why I started hating Rafa, who seems like a pretty nice guy aside from the steroid thing. I used to be a Fed fan so.... maybe that's where it started...
     
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