Nadal's performance in the future wimbledons

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How well will Nadal do in the future wimbledons?

  1. Finalist/Champion

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  2. Contender but never in the finals again

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  3. Not a contender

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  1. ksbh

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    WB ... Nadal dominates Federer at the slams.

    I have never presented any objections to the fact that outside of the slams, Nadal has little chance against Federer, except on clay. So I'm not surprised about the beatings that Federer hands out to Rafa at the Masters Cup.

     
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  2. CMM

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    I couldn't care less about your hate. You shouldn't have posted the link of the site of a psychopath.
     
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  3. djokovicgonzalez2010

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    I agree it's a bit extreme but the occasions he makes good points keep me going there...
     
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  4. namelessone

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    I don't normally take this tone on this forum,but I have to ask: are you a moron?

    Everyone is "terrified" of losing because they play to win. How on earth do you expect us to believe that Nadal skipped Wimbledon because he was scared to play? And you have to remember that SW19 is his favourite tournament. Nadal skipped because he had physical problems,TENDINITIS and it was serious,he played with pain since April. Wimbledon started on the 22nd of June. Knees don't know what tournament is up next. If you can't play,you can't play,simple as that. Why are people acting as if this the only GS Nadal has skipped because of injury? Have you forgotten RG 04' and AO 06'?
    Nadal played 2 exo's and felt that his knees affected his game enough to seriously jeopardise his chances and I think he learned from his RG debacle as well. Remember,he lost a set in an exo to nr.109 in the world before RG and entered with physical problems,on his best surface,and couldn't make it past 4th round. What chance did he have in wimbledon,with the same knee problems and on a surface where you have to bend a lot more?

    Somehow I think if Nadal played 1-2 rounds with bum knees(and thus worsening his condition) and got eliminated,many people around here wouldn't be as adamant about his wimbledon withdrawal.

    Yeah,Roger had physical problems last year. His decision of going ahead to play says that they weren't serious enough to effect his game massively. Nadal entered RG with problems thinking he could deal with it and paid the price at WB. Nadal played on his worst surface in the late summer-autumn period and got kicked around a lot. Why didn't he retire after the first few beatings? Wasn't he "scared of losing" after so many beatdowns? He didn't retire because he had no reason to,he was relatively fine physically(other than a small abdomen problem in USO).

    If Nadal feels physically good enough,he plays. Simple as that. His mistake has been of not knowing when to let tournaments go,like Madrid or Rotterdam this year.
     
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  5. CMM

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    So you have seen Hewitt's sister and you're still his fan. Good for you.
     
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  6. drakulie

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    The video is a news agency that completes several reports on Rafa.


    and yes, the site you point out brings up many interesting points.
     
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  7. djokovicgonzalez2010

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    I have actually not... and Gonzo is my fave player, I changed my avatar today for Aus. swing and I do like him... give me the link.. I look at it rather rarely.
     
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  8. CMM

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    Doesn't matter... According to that guy, all the players (except Federer, of course) are using steroids. Including the ones from your sig.
     
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  9. JoshDragon

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    I think Nadal is going to win Wimbledon at least 1 more time. He's just too strong of a contender to rule him out and he doesn't have anyone nipping at his heels right now.

    The other younger players aren't that great on grass, Djokovic and Murray have 2 semis between them and Del Potro is largely unproven.

    In my blog I picked him to win Wimbledon next year.
     
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  10. namelessone

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    THASP?

    :):)

    That site makes for some killer laughs. For every interesting point that they make,they bring up two or three bogus posts and they completely lose their credibility.

    I especially love the ones about tiger's doctor,who is supposedly supplying PED to nfl players and swimmers. So why shouldn't golfers be doping,amirite? I mean,look,he is tiger's doctor,who the hell knows what he is giving him? I'm sure he is blood doping,he needs it because it must be exhausting going from one hole to another in that little cart. Oh,and apparently Albert Costa having heart problems means that he must have doped in the past. Briliant:twisted:
    Oh,and serena's outburt is a case of roid rage according to them. Sure,that seems likely,not the fact that she is a major ***** on court when things aren't going her way.

    What I dislike most about the site is that it caters to the idea that big muscles=PED use. That's just plain wrong. And almost all their pictures show athletes in full swing,when their muscles are pumped up. They should show them in a relaxed state and maybe then we can draw our own conclusions.
    And even then we can't know. Remember Korda? How huge was he?
     
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  11. JeMar

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    Is that a real website?
     
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  12. djokovicgonzalez2010

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    I was the one who informed him he didnt actually play
     
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  13. coloskier

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    Are you joking??? Rafa gets hurt the worst because of his service return against big hitters. He hits a short, high bouncing return on a fast surface and the big hitters kill it. Grass is GREAT for big hitters. The LAST thing you want to do at Wimbledon is stand 12 feet behind the baseline to return serve. Otherwise you wouldn't see guys like Soderling and Roddick make it to the semis and finals. The only reason Nadal made it to the finals those past three years is that he never had to face any big hitters in the QF or SF because they were still developing their game (Soderling, DelPotro). I would LOVE to see Nadal face Roddick at Wimbledon, but Roddick always seems to be in Fed's half of the draw except for the one year that Nadal didn't play.
     
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  14. JoshDragon

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    He faced Djokovic, Soderling, Berdych, Youzhny, and Gulbis and he's beaten all of them. That's just at Wimbledon. Obviously he's able to overcome the big hitters.

    He has a winning h2h against Soderling, Del Potro, Tsonga, Blake, Roddick, Gonzalez, Djokovic, and Federer. So what big hitters are routinely owning him?
     
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  15. Dimension

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    Based on Nadal's ability and his game, I get a feeling he can bag quite a number of Wimbledon championship titles. Getting closed to Fed's number in Wimby is not unrealistic for Nadal.
     
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  16. Dimension

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    I agree. Grass is just a different surface. Nadal tends to feel more comfortable on natural and softer surface where he can attack and be aggressive more often. That also allows him to counter big hitters.
     
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  17. kishnabe

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    Nadal has one more wimbledon title in him but not next year since it would roddick year to win wimbledon.
     
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  18. Dimension

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    In heart, I want Roddick to win one as well. I hope he still can. Look at how Goran won it after so many tries. Then again, it might be a different case for Roddick.
     
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  19. GPG

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    He'll reach at least one more final
     
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  20. Andy G

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    Nadal will never have another streak like mid 08 to mid 09. I don't see him retaking the #1 spot. If he does, it will be short lived because he won't hold the points needed to keep it. His best bet would be to focus on the masters 1000 clay tournys and the slams. If he starts playing too much else, his game is gonna suffer. Not, that he'll be terrible or anything, he's a great player. Just that he needs to realize where his strengths are, and stick to them.
     
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  21. TennisFan008

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    He's gonna be a major contender because every top player except Federer and Roddick - who are good matchups for Rafa and aren't getting any younger - sucks on grass.

    Well, Murray and Söderling might be decent.
     
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  22. TennisFan008

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    Negative. Fed's 1st serve % is lower vs Nadal. Your hypothesis has been falsified.
     
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  23. Jchurch

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    I doubt Nadal will win another Wimbledon. Quarters are probably a given, but i really see him struggling from here on out.
     
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  24. dh003i

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    I really don't see Nadal getting more Wimbledons. 1 more is a stretch, 2 more is really pushing it.

    Federer is just too good on grass. And Roddick is pretty good too. Nadal was in his best ever form at Wimbledon 2008. That was his peak. I don't think he'll repeat it, and recent injuries suggest he might not even reach 2006 or 2007 levels.
     
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  25. Mustard

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    I think he'll win it again :)
     
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  26. thalivest

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    I think Nadal still has another 2 or 3 French Opens, 1 or 2 Wimbledons, and maybe 1 more Australian Open in him. Unfortunately he will never win the U.S Open at this point I dont think.
     
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  27. Blinkism

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    First off, I think most people know that Wimbledon is Nadal's favorite slam. The passion he puts into his efforts there go beyond any other slam, as per his own words. If I can recall correctly, I think he said his #1 goal for 2010 was actually to win Wimbledon (not winning the FO again or regaining #1 spot).

    If Nadal can make the semi's in the form he was in this year at the US Open then he can make the finals at Wimbledon if he can maintain or (as he will, most likely) improve on that form.

    The grass field is limited to, basically, the Top 10 at any time and maybe some mainstays like Hewitt, Karlovic, Mahut, and other people who can do well in the grass season.

    But, even in the Top 10, how many players are going to make the semi's or further at Wimbledon? Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Roddick, and maybe Del Potro if he can improve.

    As far as I see it, Nadal's not going to have any problems reaching the Quarterfinals at Wimbledon.

    Now, there's a good 5 year gap between Nadal and the older grass-court generation of Federer, Roddick, and Hewitt. They're not going to dominate the grass season for too long and there's no real shining stars of the current generation on grass courts.

    There will be a 2 or maybe 3 year stretch where Nadal will be the main favorite at Wimbledon, assuming he stays in the Top 3 for the next 5 years.

    He'll be able to, at the least, pick up 1 Wimbledon title- the way I see it.

    This is assuming he doesn't continue his decline of form or, conversely (and hopefully), doesn't actually return to the dominant form he once had and becomes a real contender for all the slams, again.
     
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    THe thing is, Nadal hasn't EVER been reknowned on HC's. Sure he's won a quite a Masters on HC but at GS level, he has a few semi's and 1 hc victory THIS year, Nadal has finals in 3 consecutive years at wimby, every single finals match a close classic with one of the GOAT on grass. NONE of those years [06,07,08] meant doing good/bad on HC have anything to do with his FO and WImby performances, Grass is NOT Hc.
     
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    Unless he suffers another devastating loss at the French again, gets "injured" and goes hibernating in the summer.
     
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  30. Turning Pro

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    federer has the most devastating losses at the french, matter of fact 3 of the most devastating gs final defeats in history consecutively to a single player.
     
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    Even if he sobbed openly on public and went through those and other devastating losses, he kept trying and came back year after year. He didn't hide.......like in an island........somewhere.
     
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    Bingo, the big question is can his team pull their heads out their @$$es and get it right this year?
     
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  33. K Factor

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    nadal is a topspin junkie lets see how he fares against flat hitters like del potro with his vulnerable knees nadal is still an all time great player nadal will be in the finals again if not champion
     
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    LOL :) Are you serious ? Fed served pretty well in the 2k7 and 2k8 finals too . In fact, the only time fed served real badly vs nadal was the AO 2009 F..
     
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    I love the people that say Nadal would've owned Federer this wimbledon. In reality, Roddick would've wiped the floor w/ Rafa this wimbledon.
     
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  36. clayman2000

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    No.

    Roddick was so successful against Roger because he was able to stay with him from the ground. Against Nadal that wouldnt be the case.

    Also Federer's passes at times were very average (1st and 4th sets). Even now, Nadal still remains the best passer in the world
     
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  37. TMF

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    Nadal didn't play SW19 this year(b/c he ran out gas), so you cannot say he's the best passer on grass right now. He did played other tourneys and the recent one was at the WTF. How many passing shots did he make throughout the WTF?
     
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  38. Justin Side

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    Nadal matches up fairly well with every contender on grass. Djoker, Murray, Roddick, Federer......He has a win over all those guys on grass. It's also worth mentioning that some guys that have given Nadal trouble on hard courts(Davy and Del Po) suck on grass. Remains to be seen if they ever become grass forces. If they don't, that's one less problem to worry about in the late rounds.

    3-4 more deep runs for Rafa in his Wimbledon future.
     
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    I agree that Nadal is fortunate that he matches up very well with most of the prime grass contenders. However, I think Soderling could be a problem for him there if they meet. He would have probably made the finals this year if he hadn't run into Federer, so he definitely has the potential to make a deep run. People with his kind of power game generally do very well on grass, and Robin doesn't struggle on grass like Cilic, Del Potro, and Davydenko all seem to. Would love to see a rematch of he and Nadal's epic 2007 match in 2010.
     
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