Nalbandian 2007 Will this kind of tennis ever exist again?

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  1. Dgpsx7

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    So I know most of you know which is why he is popular on the boards. Here is a refresher course. In under a month he was able to achieve more than what most players in the top 100 will achieve their whole careers:

    Madrid Masters 2007 (start October 15th)
    -Beats Nadal
    -Beats Djokovic in Semifinal
    -Beats Federer in Final

    Paris Masters 2007 (start October 27th)
    -Beats Federer
    -Beats Nadal in Final

    It's an insane achievement. Not to mention the smooth tennis that was pretty much all disguise and touch. A watch this matches every year or two just to refresh my memory:

    Defeating Nadal in Madrid
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO5VJ4tO0sg

    Defeating Djokovic in Madrid
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTGPSmfmDz4

    Defeating Federer in Madrid Final
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXUMWKjpUZA

    Defeating Federer in Paris
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkPtGvB6ck

    Defeating Nadal in Paris Final
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaSp6VO_G3E

    Did anyone else notice how relaxed and unafraid of his opponents he was in every match? Really amazing to watch.
     
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  2. tipsa...don'tlikehim!

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    In term of pure talent :

    1/ Federer
    2/ Nalbandian
    :)

    In term of mental ...well...

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  3. tennisbuck

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    Those were the days...
     
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    The top comment in the Federer Madrid semi aptly describes his play during that week.

    Nalbandian is the biggest "what-if" in tennis to me. What if he was mentally tough? What if he dedicated himself to fitness? What if he had a good serve? He can clearly hang with the big dogs as seen by him beating Federer in 5 at the WTT.

    A better question would be what's his best ranking in the future going to be. Could he pull a Haas?
     
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    I'm dying 10char
     
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    That's insane I had no idea he played Berdych and Del Potro in the earlier rounds. I remember watching the final live though.
     
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    I always saw Nalbandian as the true Fed rival( even since juniors).I wish it would've been true.

    You're right though, talent wise he is nr2 ever after after Fed, such a pleasure to watch, pure art.
     
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    Ah so that's how Cilic won Queens last year, didn't watch it but that makes sense
     
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    I rate David very highly.
    The reason he underachieved is he lacked a big shot to make him win points easier.

    So he had to constantly grind for his victories.
     
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    Definitely underachieved a bit. Oh well.
     
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    He slaughtered Nadal in that Paris final...

    Nalby was just too good for everyone in that indoor season.
     
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    He's kind of like Alvaro Recoba, crazy talent....but eh
     
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    Well, I remember Alvaro slaughtering Batistuta's Fiorentina once while playing for Venezia... :evil:


    Venice >>> Florence ;) :D
     
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    Imagine if you could combine Ferrer's fitness, mental strength, and dedication with Nalbandian's talent. The combination of the two David's would be unbeatable!
     
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    If you wanna talk about true wasted talent, why don't you just type into youtube "Marat Safin" and watch some of the stuff he was doing back in the day.
     
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    As a Milan fan I have to give him props, dude was a beast of a player. One of the best left footed shots ever!
     
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    Whaaaa, where is Nalbandian?
     
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    But Safin is a GS Winner. Something that Nalby isn't and probably will never be.
     
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    A bigger issue for Safin were the horrible injuries that plagued him in his career.
     
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    Nalbandian wasted his shot at the 2003 US Open. That win would have done a lot for his career. Instead, he wasted a huge lead against Roddick.
     
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    Nalbandian was much more of a waste than Safin ever was, he had more tennis intangibles and even better ball striking talent (weaker serve though) but achieved much less. At least Safin won 2 slams, his lack of result was more due to injury than anything else. Nalbandian's work ethic was just pathetic.
     
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    He seemed to decline rapidly after 2007-8. I wonder why? Injuries?
     
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    When did Nadal change from a platform stance to a pinpoint one?
     
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    This thread makes me sad, it brings bad memory to me and makes me nostalgic :(
     
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    I pray for 1 more Federer-Nalbandian match before they retire, just for old times sake.

    Actually, i wonder why they didn't play in Argentina last year during Fed's tour of South America
     
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    If you talking about open stance to closed stance, it maybe to flatten out the forehand and make it more offensive.

    You naturally add more pace and control to the shots when you hit a closed stance forehand. I would think that this aspect of his game was what he needed to win in other GS's besides the french.
     
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    OK, Nadal's semi closed pinpoint forehand:

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    :grin:
     
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    Just realized that they were talking about the serve. LOL totally escaped my mind
     
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    I think Nalbandian's 2007 run and 2005 YEC put him into the Safin level of talent. I think the 2005 YEC was at least as impressive as Safin's win over Fed in the AO. The difference is that Nalbandian makes Safin look like Michael Chang when it comes to work ethic.
     
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    Federer was clearly injured in that 2005 YEC. Had his ankle basically not given out, Federer clean sweeps 3 sets easily. Even against a completely immobile Federer, Nalbandian nearly blew it in the 5th set. Against the other opponents, Federer basically won with relative ease by just overwhelming them with offense. Nalbandian made Federer move around enough that it was clear by sets 3 and 4 his ankle was bothering him.


    Safin beat basically a 100% healthy Federer. At worse he had a few blisters, which may have hindered his movement by like 5% at most, but nothing like a hobbled ankle injured Federer at the YEC.
     
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    agree ... safin's performance at the AO was miles better. No question.
     
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    Haha, c'mon Recoba had some sort of meaningful career, what about Faustino Asprilla or Matt Le Tissier? Truly wasted talents.
     
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    Insane talent this...now we have to see pushers like murray termed as the best grass court players SAD!!!!
     
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    Murray is a punk compared to grass court players of olden days.

    The British were very eager for their man to win.
     
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    Right! Because 2 slams (beating the two giants) in an injury plagued career is really wasting talent. Seeing as Safin was injured in 2003/2004/2005 and after 2005 couldn't even play at a decent level, winning 2 slams was an amazing achievement. Keep in mind years 2003-2008 really could have been amazing if those injuries didn't happen. Safin had 4/5 years of great tennis - 3 of them being injury riddled. What was the guy meant to do? Win slams when you can't even play tennis with a wrist injury?


    Think of it this way; Murray (an awesome player) with an injury free career (save 2007) has only just bagged his second slam. Keep in mind in Murray's beat years thus far he's had no physical problems what so ever. Safin in a shorter period of time (with two horrific injuries in which it would take most a lot of time to come back from, and lots of other injuries) still managed to do what Nalbandian didn't do; Win a few slams. Although the second injury in 2005 he didn't really recover from.


    By the way, Safin is just a much better player than Nalbandian. His serve is miles better, he more natural power, his BH is better, his FH is better, Safin has better movement and is physically superior to Nalbandian. Hows this? Safin is also a lot more mentally tougher than Nalbandian. I can't count the amount of times Nalbandian chokes matches. Safin for all his madness was still able to win pretty much every epic match he played against a top opponent.




    Nalbandian has always been a little overrated on here. Safin is in another league when it comes to pure talent. The guy was injured for pretty much all of 2003 and nearly won the first event (the AO 2004) he entered - beating Roddick (who back then was #1 and had a game outside his serve) and Agassi - both in 5 sets. More than likely beats Federer if he wasn't dead from all of those epic matches. That is talent (a word which people don't understand around here)



    Those wins from Nalbandian are overrated; Nadal at the end of the year is a corpse. So was Djokovic. Even Federer wasn't at his best. Nalbandian was fresh because he wasn't making the runs those guys were constantly making in 2007. MC 2005 Nalbandian only made the shortlist because every player under the sun withdrew. Safin did it on the big stage. Nalbandian did it in a couple of MS titles and a MC final against a crippled opponent. Anyone will tell you Federer was playing better at the AO 2005 than the MC 2005 (or common sense).
     
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    look closely at that .gif Almost everyone has a crazy reaction.. but watch the older lady in the black shirt. Absolutely emotionless.... as if she was asleep
     
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    A higher level of tennis already exists. Djoko 2011 also better.
     
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    Whenever Nalbandian focussed he would beat Federer and all before him. He beat him in the YEC 2005 where he was inspired to win in memory of his nephew who was crushed in an elevator shaft , which was one of the best matches ever, just as good as the Safin match. Federer's injury wasn't affecting him or his movement at all, he probably got a painkiller. He was no more affected than he was by his blisters against Safin.

    in 2007 he'd had to work his way back up the rankings. He'd been coasting on his seeding for years, now he had to work hard. Everyone, players, officials, journalists, was disrespectful of him because they didn't like Nalbandian or think he was good enough anymore to regain his ranking. He finally got into good shape and his run in 2007 over those 2 tournaments was phenomenal. It was an early form of Djoker 2.0. Look at the tennis on youtube. It ranks up there with Marcelo Rios beating Agassi that time, Federer's destruction of Hewitt in the USO final, Sampras v Agassi 1999 Wimbledon etc as one of the absolute greatest displays of tennis ever.

    If he'd qualified for the YEC (ranked no. 9) he would have gone on to do incredible things. As it was, he had a 3 month break in which he fished and got incredibly fat. At the AO 2008 it was actually embarrassing to watch. People were posting screenshots on this message board at the time when he changed his shirt in disbelief at how fat he'd gotten.
     
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    Nalbandian used to beat Federer all the time. Until 2004.........



    So you're comparing Nalbandian's indoor 2007 season to Safin slaughtering Sampras at US00? Nalbandian is good, but never got it done in the slams. Safin beat the best on the biggest stage. It's quite clear that Safin was the better player. Not just in terms of achievements or his matches - he's just got a lot more ability.
     
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    They are of equal ability because their peak tennis was equally impressive. Fat Dave made Safin look like David Ferrer when it came to application and effort, he could have dominated 2008 if hadn't gotten fat.

    Madrid Masters 2007 (start October 15th)
    -Beats Djokovic in Semifinal
    -Beats Federer in Final

    Paris Masters 2007 (start October 27th)
    -Beats Federer
    -Beats Nadal in Final

    Look at those matches and the level of tennis and tell me that isn't some of the absolute greatest tennis you've ever seen. That's what talent means, the level of tennis you're capable of reaching.
     
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    I think it is actually Safin who is overrated around here, not Nalbandian. People fall in love with Safin's "power game", charisma, and good looks always point to that hugely overrated AO 05 match that was littered with errors, I agree that the Masters Cup 2005 match was a much better spectacle. Nalbandian's backhand is technically miles above Safin's primitive bash bash backhand, I really don't respect this guys game that much to be honest. He was a great player on his day and certainly better than Berdych or Soderling (a lot more touch and better movement) but Nalbandian impressed me on a totally different level. And btw, none of Safin's shots except his serve were technically on Nalbandian's level, Nalbo had a better FH, BH, much better footwork when on.
     
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    Serve - Safin
    ROS - Nalbandian
    BH - Safin (not by much though)
    FH - Safin
    Net game - Safin
    Volley - Safin
    Touch - even
    Improv - Safin
    Pass - Safin
    Movement - Safin
    Speed - Safin
    Mental game - Safin



    Safin at his peak was able to own Sampras at the US Open, beat Agassi, Ferrero, Kuerten at FO, score wins over peak Federer, Hewitt and Roddick at the AO. Even in 2006 onwards when he was crap he was still able to beat Nalbandian at the US Open, as well as beating Djokovic at Wimbledon 2008. The guy has beaten everyone their is, at the slams no less. What's Nalbandian's best win at a slam? Federer in 2003? Gimme a break!



    Right! So beating Federer, Nadal and Djokovic on their worst surfaces, when they are dead tired at the end of the year is really telling of what he can do all year round? My god! Nalbandian really does enjoy god like status on this board. All because of three tournaments in his whole career! You think Nalbandian could dominate an entire year of tennis? Man, even if he did have the ability, here are just a few reasons why Nalbandian couldn't ever dominate the field.




    1) Nalbandian when he wasn't fat couldn't dominate the field. I'd say the competition from 2003-2007 is probably the same as it was in 2008-2010 really. Nalbandian even when he was healthy never showed he could have a year like Federer's 04-07/09, Nadal's 2010 or Djokovic 2011 seasons. We aren't just talking about winning three slams; We are talking about winning literally everything they play and going deep on their weakest surfaces.



    2) Indoors and carpet: Indoors isn't 24/7 in tennis and Carpet has been kicked on the circuit for a while now. These are Nalbandian's favourite conditions. You can't say Nalbandian would dominate an entire year because of a surface which is used for two months at the end of the year. Many players aren't that great on carpet. For example, are you going to say 'healthy Nalbandian will beat Federer at Wimbledon' backed up with insufficient arguments such as 'he beat Federer in Paris' to strengthen your claims?


    Essentially, that is exactly what you have done. You have found three matches, which Nalbandian has won due to circumstantial evidence (fatigue of the top guys/surface bias/Federer's ankle) and have made him look like a god and have put him up on a pedestal saying 'this is what he can do all year round'. When really, this might have been three tournaments of his best tennis AKA no the norm. Unless you'd like to give a great explanation into why Nalbandian doesn't win many tournaments in the first 10 months of the year?



    3) Fitness: You state fitness for sighting why Nalbandian didn't dominate 2008. It's a sport! You can't play lame excuses for a professional athlete, justifying a top players lack of wins due to 'being fat and lazy'. He's a sportsman; You don't get given 'could have done better but couldn't be bothered' cards.



    4) This is probably the best argument I can make, Nalbandian, is probably the best choker I have ever seen. Suppose Nalbandian makes the AO final, is he beating Djokovic? Is he really going to beat Nadal at FO and Federer at Wimbledon, although Federer that year was on the decline. Suppose he gets to the finals without choking how long do you think it would take for that legendary thinking of Nalbandian to start getting nervous from a winning position? Would you bet on Nalbandian serving for the match against Nadal at the FO? I wouldn't.




    Should Nalbandian have won a slam? Maybe. Would have have dominated a year from 2003-2009 if healthy? Hell no.





    Seriously? Talent is not this. Talent is a natural gift for something. Someone like Safin was talented because he could make a slam final beating Roddick at #1 and Agassi at #3 whilst not playing a tournament in 9 months. Safin had to rely on talent - he was injured so much he never got a chance to incorporate talent with hard work and consistency of play. Djokovic, Nadal, Murray and Federer are all products of having a lot of talent whilst being able to work hard. Most of the most talented players have a knack for being lazy - thinking talent is what takes you to the top. Just look at the French crop.



    I think the word you are searching for is peak, in your last statement.
     
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    Probably the dumbest thing anyone in this thread has said.
     
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    Serve - Safin
    ROS - Nalbandian
    BH - Safin (not by much though)
    FH - Nalbandian obviously
    Net game - Nalbandian, Safin was dire at the net
    Volley - Nalbandian
    Touch - Nalbandian
    Improv - Nalbandian, you keep repeating your categories
    Pass - Even
    Movement - equal
    Speed - Easily Nalbandian, slim 2007 Nalbandian was definitely faster than pre injury Safin, although neither were known for their speed.
    Mental game - Safin


    Your definition of talent is different than mine I suppose. To me Marcelo Rios is much more talented than someone like David Ferrer for the level of tennis he could achieve.

    The indoor courts of Miami and Paris were incredibly slow when he won, they really might as well have been outdoor. Nalbandian had just been building up to that level for a while and that was when it finally all came together. Indoor is Fed's best surface, Djoker has won the YEC and Nadal is a 2 time finalist.
     
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