nalbandian is overrated on TW

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  1. roddickfan90

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    hes good, but everyone talks about him like he's a genius when someone like roddick who is underrated on TW is actually a much better player - consistently and talent wise. im just sayin hes overrated - he aint anything special....................................He's also a fat chocker
     
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  2. Tennis_Maestro

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    The most over rated player on this forum by a country mile!

    Reason for it? He sometimes beats their hero's in semi major competitions. (Federer, Nadal)
     
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    Roddick is way overrated on this board. Nalbandian is not.
     
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    I am new to this forum so not sure exactly how those two are rated here. However while I far prefer Nalbandian to Roddick it is Roddick who has achieved more overall.
     
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    Roddick? overrated? tskk
     
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    Roddick is actually underrated here. Everyone hates the guy.

    Nalbandian is impossible to categorize. Weirdest player ever...Somedays he destroys the world #1 or #2, somedays he loses to a scrub first round. Seems to not care about being 20-30 lbs overweight in a sport where agility and mobility are of supreme importance.

    One thing is sure: Nalbo could be unreal if he pulled an Agassi, got in great shape and got his mind right.
     
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    Agree with what you say pretty much. However wasting ones talent is really the biggest crime of all IMO.
     
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    True that. He's right there with Rios and Safin in the talent-wasting department. Probably even worse. At least the two I mentioned kept themselves in shape.
     
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    Nalbandian does not have the consistency or slam toughness that is needed to be truly great. But when he's on, its a thing of beauty. His talent is not overrated.
     
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    I don't care what you say, Nalbandian is still awesome.
     
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    how many times have you seen Nalbandian playing?

    by the way, is Roddick a tennis player?
     
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    Nalbandian is not overrated. People constantly say he has shot at beating the top guys because, in fact, he does.
     
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    Roddick is the more consistent player but Nalbandian is the more dangerous player. Roddick plays conservative with his baseline game while Nalbandian is very aggressive on both sides. I'm glad Nadal doesn't have Nalbandian in the early rounds this time even though it would bring quite an exciting match.
     
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    I do not think some posters know what the term "over-rated" means.

    Nalbandian is not over-rated at all. When playing well, not even at his best, Nalbandian is a complete beast who can bully ANYONE from the baseline and has enough court sense/touch to finish at net. When he is playing ON, he can destroy the beast players in the world without breaking a sweat. Those are facts.

    However, it is widely acknowledged that Nalby can go from "on" to "off" in the blink of an eye and these days rarely shows up at the big events. At best he's considered one of the dark horse's at slams.

    So over-rated? No. That is the general opinion of David on these boards and that is pretty accurate.

    As for Roddick, overrated? Seriously? I think there are like 6 posters (myself included) who actually like Roddick and think he's a goo player. How is he overrated?
     
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    Nalbandian is the GOAT at ruining people's predictions.
     
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    Good post, and lol im one of the six
     
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  17. rubberduckies

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    Let's not forget that the only reason Roddick can call himself a Slam champion is that he and his Flushing Cronies stole one from Nalbandian.
     
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    then you must be so ashamed that your boy received a very bad spanking from an overrated player.
     
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    Actually I am ashamed. That spanking (and yes it was a very bad spanking) in IW by a quite inferior player was a big embarrassment for Novak.
     
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    so how did he steal it, oh yeah, bcuz nalbandian chocked. roddick won his slam fair and square.PERIOD
     
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    Agreed here. Nalbandian would have won that SF match if there was not that ridiculous line call in the 3rd set TB.
     
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  23. roddickfan90

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    i love it how they're talking about argentinians - and yet they leave out there only GS champion (gaudio)
     
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    I think everyone is highly rating Nalbandian's inherent "talent" level (an oft-discussed and hard-to-pin-down concept) as well as his "potential". We've seen Nalbandian play other-wordly tennis (mainly indoors) against Fed and Nadal, so naturally, many people will rate him highly, because his "best" tennis really is at a very high level.

    But, he is overrated overall because he doesn't seem to have the fitness, motivation, concentration, mental toughness, and consistency to perform at that level on even a semi-regular basis. These are less sexy concepts than "talent" but are hugely important for a player to be a truly great player.
     
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    im a roddick fan, re-energized with his renewed training and game this year.
     
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    o wow didnt know that.. did he jack the trophy after nalby won it? or was it one of those holding his mom as hostage things?

    get real, you cant steal anything, all tennis players have the same rules and they all play at home and away. same umps and line judges called for others. homecourt advantage is a possiblity but you cant call winning at home stealing one can you?

    WHY do people hate Roddick>? was a ***** in an interview sometime or what?

    kinda like the hawkeye incident last week.. noone STOLE anything, a bad call was made at NO fault of the person it went in favor of. hate the system for faults not the player.
     
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    Nalbandian is a very talented player. I love watching him play. When he's on, he can beat any player in the tour. The problem is that he lacks mental toughness, loves to party (there's nothing wrong with that), and has other interests that are more important than tennis (cars, pies, and BBQs).
     
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  28. ESP#1

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    The guy has talent in spades thats a fact, he just seems to lack those other intangibles that make up a champion. When he is on it is truly something special, however for whatever reasons he has trouble maintaining that level.

    Federer and Nadal speak highly of Nadal also, i wish i had a clip
     
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    Exactly. He treats tennis as his job, but if he was more passionate about the sport, we would have a war on this forum between the *******s and the Nalbanditards, with a small 3rd faction of Nadaltards.
     
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    Please!!!!!!!! If that's the route we're taking, then me can take the 2001 US Open from Hewitt. Shall we recall the overrule at 4-4 in the 5th set?? Nalbandian was up 2 sets on Roddick, and you don't blow a 2 set lead on one point.

    Nalbandian is overrated around here. I have to hear he has the talent and this that and the 5th. Yeah well so did Safin, so did Rios, and they certainly don't get the love that Nalbandian gets around here.
     
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    True he's way overrated here, as well as Gasquet.:neutral:
     
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    you mean "out of the square" right?
     
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    Agree.....
     
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    So who is better than Nalbandian who doesn't get enough credit?
     
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    Nalbandian isn't overrated. His game is just technically flawless. Every technical aspect of his game is very sound. You saw what he's capable of in his past results. Roddick on the other hand is slightly overrated I'd say. His baseline game isn't terrible; in fact I would say it's enough to keep him just in the top 100. His serve is his lifeblood though.

    I just wish Nalbandian would be mentally stronger. What happened at Indian Wells was just ridiculous (kudos to Nadal), but Nalbandian had more than enough chances to close it out.
     
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  36. 380pistol

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    WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Whoop de do, he got hot and beat Fed (who's been playing tough since they were 15), Nadal (on wonky knees at the ime), and Djokovic (who was losing to damn near everyine that fall) and bnow he's the 2nd coming!!!!!

    In here he's spoken about like he's something special and on skill (and /or skill set) he still trails.......

    -Rafael Nadal
    -Roger Federer
    -Novak Djokovic
    -Tommy Haas
    -Andy Murray
    -Marat Safin

    ...and possibly more. And don't gibe me this he's technically flawless cuz Borg, Graf and Courier were technically attrocious and how'd they do. AROUND HERE... he's given credit beyond his abilities and acheiements. End of story.
     
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    The one thing that really bothers me is that people here seem have the impression that talent is only skill. Poeple all go on about how talented Gasquet, safin, Nalbandian so talented and they are (well in the skills department). However I think people should consider that talent does not just cover skill. it also covers determination, diligence, focus, drive etc. Its not as if anybody can just have those qualities easliy. So yes, if you put the qualities I metioned into consideration, then Nalbandian is a bit overrated in terms of talent. Whereas roddick is a bit underrated. He lacks the skill department but he has the diligence and persistence which kept him in the top 10 for so long.
    People really need to look at the bigger picture instead of basing opinions on superficial qualities. Just look at the greats, could they have have been great on skill alone?
     
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  38. Satch

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    Nalbo is a genius, period.
     
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    +1...favorite player to watch by far
     
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    Got alot anger built up it seems pistol, the simple fact is that when he is on his game is above the rest he just isnt able to maintain that level for a long period of time.

    I mean a horse can outrun a cheetah over long distances, that has no deterrence of our perception of a cheetah speed
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjL7JASDfQA

    I'll offer this as evidence of Nalbandian's superb talent (look at all the return winners!) and also take the time to ask: Why is this match never included in discussions of great/epic matches? I know Federer had a bum ankle, but some of those shots Nalbandian pulled off are just astonishing, no matter who he's up against.
     
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    Nalbandian is not overrated in any way. Absolutely amazing game that he can impose on absolutely anyone. The fact that he doesn't play like that consistently is also generally recognized.

    @msc886 Has there been a great player without skill/talent? I don't see what's so bothersome about highlighting someone with extraordinary talent. Determination. mental toughness, etc are different categories and people also mention them separately when dissceting and analyzing. In fact, if there's anything annoying, it's the *****ing about talented guys lacking mental toughness, as if that's not as much an inherent ability as talent and all they need to do is decide to be clutch all the time.
     
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    this is the only place i know where will\determination is a form of talent...

    if it's will\determinaton.. it is not - i repeat- it is not Talent... in any language, any place in the world, any way...

    ps: determination is not talent... ffs. merriam webster is there for you guys to search!
     
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    amazing match, you can see all the potential Nalbo had then, too bad he was more injured than healty during career :(
     
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    He is overrated in many ways. Yes he is very talented, yes he can beat top players on a good day, but how many players can we say both those things about. It isnt true that he had the potential to win 8-10 slams if he just focused as some seem to suggest. He also cant just beat anyone anytime as some suggest either. He is no threat on grass, his fluke Wimbledon final in one of the worst Wimbledons ever in 2002 notwithstanding. On clay he is somewhat a threat, but a lesser one. In fact the only surface he has beaten any of the real top players and won any significant titles in the last 5+ years has been indoors, and no almost doesnt cut it (eg- the round of 16 vs Nadal at the Pacific Life).

    People brag about his owning Federer when his overall head to head now trails 8-10, and when he has lost 10 of their last 13, and not beaten him on an outdoor court since 2003 now. People like to build up his ability to win any tournament or beat anyone when he is on when the only surface this is true of is indoors, and maybe a slow-medium outdoor hard court. Lastly he is too evaluated on his perceived potential and not his results, like many of the other "underachieving" types.
     
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    When we factor in consistency and actual achievements, rather than perceived potential which goes unfulfilled, then Roddick is one. If we evaluate overall results and consistent performance over the last 3 years (although career wise Nalbandian has the edge probably) then Davydenko is another.
     
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    Thats why hes so great to watch
     
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    I don't think that he's overrated here, unless you're talking of people that thinks that he has to have 8 or 9 slams who I think are really few. When people talk about his talent is talking most of the times of things that are really easy to see, that is, the quality of all aspects of his game (except his serve). Is ridiculous to say that there's a lot of people that in a good day can play like that against Nadal or Federer (not only beat them, but beat them playing like that).

    I don't know why is so difficult for people to distinguish between hard work (which is a great thing in itself)/consistency/mental toughness and the like and talent that has to do a lot more with creativity and finesse.
     
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    While I don't agree that Nalbandian should be rated above Roddick, the point must be made that David has a very good record against two of the most dominant players in tennis history (Nadal and Fed) and Roddick has basically been completely pwned by both of them.

    Davydenko? Nah. Sure he has been slightly better over the last three years, but Nalbandian has a Masters Cup and a Wimbledon final to his name. Plus he has been to the semis of all 4 slams, also something Davy hasn't done. Nalbandian has had quite a better career IMO.

    This has nothing to do with "percieved potential". Nalbandian has had great results in his career.
     
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