Name that Classic 80's Clone... featuring ProHand Racquets!!

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  1. Bud

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    Let's break up the monotony with a bit of fun!! :)

    I recently picked up the remaining 'deadstock' of a former racquet company called ProHand. I believe the ProHand (athletic) brand still exists and was perhaps reorganized after their untimely bankruptcy. However, they no longer produce or sell tennis racquets, as far as I can tell from Internet research.

    Apparently, they went 'under' in the late 1980's to early 1990's and their assets (racquets) were liquidated in bankruptcy court. You know how these things go... racquets sit in some anonymous warehouse for years until they are 'rediscovered' in a back closet... or the warehouse owner dies and the heirs inherit them... blah, blah, blah, etc. :twisted:

    Anyhow, when I saw these frames, initially... I was thinking to myself... perhaps, buy them and donate them to some underprivileged childrens' tennis program or use them to test various string types/tensions, etc. However, upon closer inspection I noted they had some interesting characteristics...:shock:

    First, the fit and finish on all four models is stunning! I'd say easily as good as anything produced today and in the case of the purple/pink racquet (known as the Charmie 30), even superior to anything produced today.

    Next, all 4 models have nicely appointed, matching padded head covers, decent hanging tags, string logos and get this... shrink-wrapped factory LEATHER grips with the embossed ProHand name AND logo! In the case of the Charmie 30... the leather grip was dyed purple to match the flawless, shiny pink paint. Speaking of which, 3 of the 4 models have matte finishes and the 4th is brilliantly shiny.

    However, as I further examined these 4 frames in person, the biggest surprise was their eerily familiar appearance... like I'd seen these racquets somewhere else. Well, as it turns out... I had! The company flawlessly copied 4 popular 1980's frames.

    Your mission is to identify which popular 1980's frames were cloned by ProHand! If you choose to accept this mission... you will be rewarded with a grab bag of tennis goodies courtesy of... Retrowagen and VSBabolat!

    Lol!... Just kidding on that last part... courtesy of me, of course! :lol:

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    Read Carefully: You get one shot at it! Simply name the original 1980's frame each clone represents (from left to right) <---

    For Example: (feel free to cut and paste this as a prototype for your answers)
    Frame 1: Wilson Prestige (far left)
    Frame 2: Prince Boron (second to left)
    Frame 3: Head Legend (second to right)
    Frame 4: Dunlop Max 200G (far right)

    ** Edited posts will be disqualified... so, examine them carefully prior to posting your answers! <---
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    First person with all 4 correct answers (in the proper order) wins!
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    Contest closes in approximately 24 hours - at 12:01 am, February 15th (Sunday) <---

    Good Luck!
     
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  7. OnyxZ28

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    1. Prince OS
    2. Head Pro series
    3. Wilson Sting
    4. 6.0 85
     
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    From left to right:

    1. Prince Power Pro 90
    2. Head Graphite Pro (labeled Mid Plus by Head)
    3. Wilson Sting (Midsize)
    4. Wilson Graphite Matrix (Midsize)
     
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  9. jimbo333

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    OK from left to right, I'm going to try:-

    1. Head Prestige
    2. Head Edge
    3. Wilson Sting
    4. Wilson Matrix
     
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  10. plasma

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    are these all the same headsize? I'm hoping there's a Fairway by Balmfort, Lime green CAP grommets, 45 feet of VS GUT, and an original vibrazorb shock dampener in that grab bag!!!!!
     
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  11. vsbabolat

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    Never heard of ProHand before great find Bud!!

    I'll take a shot.
    Chief 80=Prince Graphite Pro 90
    Charmie 30=HEAD Graphite Edge
    Captain 50= Wilson Sting Midsize
    Champ 100=Wilson Pro Staff Midsize
     
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    Chief 80 = Prince Comp Series 90
    Charmie 30 = Head Graphite Edge
    Captain 50 = Wilson Sting Midsize
    Champ 100 = Wilson Pro Staff Midsize

    yeah, I know, VSBabolat and I almost have the same list!
     
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  13. Bud

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    :lol::lol::lol:

    They all mimic the headsize of the original classic they cloned.

    :p
     
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    Thanks!

    Once the contest is over I'll measure the weight/balance for all four sticks and post the info.
     
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  15. plasma

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    do all 4 clones mimic different frames manufactured from the same single company or brand? or are several brands or companies being cloned with these four specimen?
     
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    From left to right:

    Prince Graphite Supreme
    Dunlop Max 200G
    Wilson Sting
    Wilson PS 6.0 85
     
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  17. Captain Haddock

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    Very nice find. I'm familiar with all kinds of clones (from Zebest, Pro Supex, Cayman, etc.), but have never seen these or even heard of the brand.

    1= Prince Power Pro 90 or Spectrum 90 (14 mains)
    2 = Head Edge
    3= Wilson Sting (1st generation without PWS)
    4 = Wilson Pro Staff mid (aka 6.0 85)
     
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  18. bruinduke

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    1. Head Prestige
    2. Dunlop Max 200g
    3. Wilson Sting
    4. Wilson Ultra
     
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  19. matchmaker

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    Chief 80 = Prince Graphite Comp Series 90 (here I am in doubt, but the head shape is too round to be a Head)
    Charmie 30 = Head Graphite Edge (ptetty sure)
    Captain 50 = Wilson Sting Midsize (look at the throat section)
    Champ 100 = Wilson Matrix with PWS (the head shape is just a bit more oval than the PS 6.0)
     
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  20. Captain Haddock

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    Is there any mention of the composition of the frames. For instance, does the last one with the PWS mention braided graphite?
     
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    frame 1 - prince power pro 90
    frame 2 - head txp pro
    frame 3 - wilson sting
    frame 4 - jk prostaff? or wilson matrix
     
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  22. Bud

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    The 4 frames shown mimic several popular 1980's racquet styles, from different companies ;)

    It appears ProHand looked at several of the most popular racquets, circa 1984-88 and attempted to cash in on their phenomenal success.
     
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  23. Bud

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    The first three are graphite/fiberglass composite and the fourth is 'premium graphite'.
     
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    Some great guesses so far... keep em coming! :)
     
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  25. Kal-El 34

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    we should be allowed to guess twice haha
     
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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
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    Damn! just saw this thread and my list is the same as vsbabolat. a few think that the first is the power pro, but i think it's the graphite pro. i could be wrong on the last. looks like a pro staff 85, but i don't really have any experience with the matrix. i think vsbab is correct.
     
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    ^I'm pretty sure it's the ps 85, since the matrix is a 16 by 19 string patterned racket. Just an FYI for anybody else that's entering the contest :)
     
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    Gaahhhhh, all of these were made before I was born!!!!

    1. POG OS
    2. Head Graphite Edge
    3. Wilson Sting
    4. Wilson Graphite Matrix
     
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  30. matchmaker

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    Yep, I saw that too, but if you look at the throat section it is definitely not the PS 6.0, if it is a copy of the PS 6.0, than it is just a bad one.
     
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    matchmaker, how old are you? I'm just curious. Don't answer if you don't feel comfortable with disclosing it.
     
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    I am thirty, hit the round number a few months ago. Still nothing to be too ashamed of. How old are you, if I may ask?

    Now about the last racquet, it is not a Matrix either, I was wrong. The Matrix has a narrower throat and a longer section above the handle than this racquet.

    I don't think it is a PS 6.0, because that racquet has a sort of fork or Y-like shape above the handle, and this racquet has a more gentle transition from handle to throat. Besides, if it copied the PS 6.0, the layup would have to contain kevlar, whereas here it says: premium graphite.
     
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    For the last frame, I am guessing it must be a clone of the Jack Kramer Staff, the Jack Kramer is 80% graphite, 20% fiberglass, but on the frame above the handle it just says midsize graphite.

    It also seems that, although the mold seems to be identical to the PS 6.0, the Kramer staff seems to have a microscopically different throat with slightly more curve on the throat section and less angle from handle to throat than the PS 6.0.
     
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    Thinking better, if it is only graphite, it should be a copy of the Pro Staff Midsize, that one did not have kevlar, nor fiberglass listed in its lay-up.
     
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    I'm 16. For a while I thought you were around my age. I probably had you mixed up with meowmix though.
     
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  36. matchmaker

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    Nice to see you take an interest in vintage frames. BTW, I like your avatar. That was one of the most elegant players ever, though I always rooted for Becker in their Wimby finals. They played a lot of them.

    I am actually from the generation that has most conscious memories from the late nineties until now. Racquet technology has changed a lot. The first racquet I bought was an Estusa Power Beam, then I changed to the Head Radical. I remember original Prestiges still being for sale in regular sportshops when I was young. Then came the profile and hammer technology, and that was the beginning of the end.
     
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    Yup, you did :) I'd the 16 year old.

    Matchmaker, are you sure? I've got a PS85 clone here at my house, and the throat looks almost exactly the same- a fairly stubby transition from handle to throat, with about 2cm from the top of the handle to the throat. Unless my clone's a bad clone? Also, my clone is marked 100% graphite (or something like that), despite being an obvious ps 85 clone.
     
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    I do think that it is somekind of Pro Staff clone.

    The paint scheme maybe changes a little the optical effects. I think it is a Pro Staff Midsize clone, because that racquet was 100% graphite and not graphite/kevlar like the 6.0.

    BTW, nice to see another 16 year old who is knowledgeable about classic frames. Keep up the good work!
     
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    Keep the guesses coming!

    Keep the guesses coming!

    I may extend the deadline a day since the response has been so positive! :grin:
     
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    Second from left (Charmie 30) is Head Composite Edge.
     
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    1. Prince Power Pro 90
    2. Head Graphite Pro
    3. Wilson Sting
    4. Wilson PS85
     
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  43. Bud

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    Deadline extended 1 day!

    Contest will end at 12:01 am Pacific Time, Monday February 16th :)
     
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    1. prince pog mid
    2. head satellite tour
    3. wilson sting
    4. ps 85


    please let me b right
     
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    That Charmie's charming... ain't it? :razz:

    The finish is like glass.
     
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    is any even close with the guesses?
     
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    1. prince comp-graphite
    2. head special edition edge
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  49. Bud

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    Yes, some are close.
     
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    damn i just found the 1st one but i already placed my guess
     
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