Nasty Nadal Accused In 'cheat' Storm

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  1. Rhino

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  2. pow

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    Right... anything to discredit a better player.

    Oh no! Those extra seconds Nadal takes has been the reason why he has been winning.

    Yeah right. He wishes it was that simple.
     
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    Actually maybe it's the reason why he lost. Karma.
     
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    Taking extra time is cheating whether you're a Nadal fan or not. He isn't a bad person, or a poor sport, and has done some noble things on court (ball-boy situation). That doesn't mean he's immune from having to follow the rules. Likewise with other time-stretching players.
     
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    I knew Rafael was not competing for every point and just stalling his opponents during points. How dare Nadal???

    Rodger Rasheed is a hater and his words were probably taken out of context.
     
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    Who is "Roger Soderling"?
     
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    Rafa needs to be careful, he isn't John McEnroe. Stalling between points is HATED by other players, and they will get vocally angry about it. Rafa, because he's #2 in the world, has more to LOSE than any other player in this battle... and stalling is considered worse in golf, deliberately stall in that sport, and you get penalized quickly.
     
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    Sorry, if one player (Nadal) can intimidate another player (take your pick) while in the locker room then that player better get some balls or leave the tour. Its hard for me to believe that Rusty was ever bothered by that. Now the time wasting is another matter. Thats not so much intimidating as it is irritating. Roger Rasheed, overrated in my opinion, must be looking for work.
     
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    Please explain why is Roger Rasheed important in the game today and why we should listen to him.
     
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    if you think Rafa takes time between points, how about Djokovic's 10-15 bounces before he serves, i think tha'ts more annoying than nadal.
     
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    Exactly--I don't think Djokovic has any room to complain. I've never seen anyone bounce the ball that many times. It's an old game. Brad Gilbert calls it "Turtle Time" in his book. I think Lendl was a turtle-timer. I play a few people who do it. Stalling is pretty annoying, and the second you think about how long your opponent is taking, you've lost your concentration. It's a great way to break someone's rhythm. I once had a doubles partner who became completely unglued because the other team was taking so long between points.
     
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    Both are annoying but Nadal is more. Nadal has too many 'habits', where as Djokovic has the one.
     
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    Rasheed is right on.
     
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    I don't have to explain anything, sometimes stuff is interesting to some and not others. Sift through what you like and ignore the rest like everybody else.
    you don't have to be important in the game to make a point, otherwise nobody here would listen to anyone else here. At least Raseed has been in the locker room with Nadal and can tell us what he's like which I think is interesting.

    haha, yeah I saw that.:)
     
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    The joker bounces the ball a lot but does not take that long between points. He gets up to the line quickly unlike Nadal who takes forever.
     
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  16. Rataplan

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    That "article" comes from a tabloid that's not exactly known for accuracy.

    Don't believe anything you read but particulary not when it's in a tabloid. If Rasheed had really said something like that, it would be in more newspapers, I think but this is probably Rasheed talking about how Rafa's pre-match routine can come across as intimidating and this piece of trash tabloid makes it more dramatic by calling it bullying.
     
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    Wait a second, Rasheed was Hewitt's Do-boy, butt of LH's ridiculous tirade's, witness to LH's racist remarks and he's calling out Rafa?
    Where does he get this from, Pat Cash? If you want to call out out someone for gamesmanship, how about Shriekapova? Where to begin?
     
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  18. helloworld

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    Playing Djokovic is more annoying than playing Nadal. He bounces the ball so many times and all of the sudden he'll serve when you least expect it. Imagine if you're waiting to return the serve. You just have no idea when he'll serve and you'll have to be prepared for it the whole time. That's really annoying.
     
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    Hahahaha...couldn't agree more...except...please, tell me why I keep hearing that Pat Cash was nasty...this is the second or third time I've heard reference to this...please explain...thanks
     
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    Rasheed may be the reason Hewitt's progress stalled in the last few years. Hewitt would have developed his game more if he didnt have an AFL fitness trainer as his coach all these years. Cahill has probably done more this year for Hewitt than Rasheed did over the last few years.
     
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    I can see nadal being locker room bully, with those guns...he can crush that rasheed.
     
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  22. J-man

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    Just because Nadal takes his time in the locker room or maybe is very intense, he's a bully? That sounds pretty sketchy
     
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    Why doesn't anyone attach these sentiments to other players. Why is it that Nadal cheats, but Sharapova, Hantuchova, Djokovic, and others don't? No one has answered these questions yet! A bunch of crock if you ask me. John even said it during the telecast. Most top players take their time and go through their rituals. Can you people not see that, or are you so blinded by your hatred that Nadal is quickly closing the gap on Federer? Not my words, another one of the tennis experts you are all are quick to quote (when it's in your favor) has it on ESPN!
     
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    Maybe he lost because the AELTC disadvantaged the entire bottom half of the draw. Not that the rain was their doing, but the unfair scheduling surely was. To have all of those contenders play every day without rest gave Federer an unfair advantage. If they had finished those matches first, and allowed the competitors to properly rest, we would have a different Wimbledon champion. Even Djokovic wrote a memo asking them what was going on. In lieu of that, without any rest at all, Nadal still took your boy to the limit and outplayed him during the match. He came to net more and played more attacking tennis. Your boy was so rattled he almost came unglued. Thank God, for the injury timeout, because Federer was toast. Anybody who cannot see this, either is blind, or chooses willful ignorance.
     
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  25. TheTruth

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    Yeah, nobody stalls more than Sharapova. How can so many of you overlook that?
     
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    A lot of people have annoying things:

    Sharapova-Shrieks
    Nadal-Long In-Between Points
    Roddick-Wipes his face exposing his stomachh
    ...

    It goes on-and-on.

    What I didn't like about Wimbledon this year was the frequent "Come On's," by Sharapova and Serena.

    Sharapova actually did one, after she one match point. THought that wasn't necessary.
     
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    There is a huge difference between Nadal's approach to serving and that of Djokovic's.

    Djokovic may well bounce the ball in readiness for his serve but he doesn't also:

    Delay at his chair positioning his bottles precisely
    Show off to the adoring fans by sprinting to the baseline
    Bend over to get his sox at exactly the same height
    Snap the elastic of his underjocks
    Rub his finger on his nose
    Brush his hair back behind each ear...

    ...and then start bouncing the ball.
     
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  28. heycal

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    What is this ball-boy situation you refer to?

    As for that article, folks, keep in mind that it's a not seemingly very credible tabloid seeking to inflame things with descriptive words like "bully" and "cheat". The actual quotes from this guy -- IF he was quoted accurately -- are as follows:

    “In the locker room Rafa is very intense. He’s always running around and trying to apply the intimidation factor.

    “The referee can come in and say ‘We’re ready to play’ but sure enough he just has to go to the toilet one more time and then sits there making his opponent wait for another minute.

    “Then he goes out and does the same on court – by taking 30 to 40 seconds after very point.

    “That’s part of his persona but it’s up to the opposition and the officials not to let it happen.

    “Whenever Lleyton played Rafa, I’d have a word with the umpire to make sure that after the coin toss he’d warn him about the time issue.

    “Rafa used to get upset about this. He doesn’t like referees speaking to him in this manner. But the rules must be enforced."
     
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    or intelligent...
     
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    i consider djokovic's pre-serve lengthiness a lot worse than nadal's. at least nadal you know when he's gonna serve. with djokovic he bounces the ball so many times and along with his quick serve, it loses you. he takes you off guard.
     
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    I've always hated the "well other <fill in the blank> do it too" defense. Even if Sharapova and whomever else stalls as well, that shouldn't exempt others from criticizing Nadal without be labeled "a hater". And if the focus is on him more than others, that's just because he is winning the most now, the same way that Barry Bonds is under the most scrutiny even though half of baseball has probably done steroids.
     
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  32. Rataplan

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    Exactly.

    Nadal has this entire routine to go through and yes, sometimes he crosses the time limit but when he's ready to serve and the opponent gets in the position to return, it's done pretty quickly.

    With Djokovic (and I do like the guy, btw), Novak bounces that ball while the opponent is in the position, bending over, ready to return...is he going to bounce that ball 8 times? 14 times? When is he finally going to hit that damn ball?
     
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  33. jaded

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    that's what i was thinking...

    all people do is talk about how nice and respectful it is and how he has great sportsmanship.
     
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  34. Moose Malloy

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    Djokovic takes longer in between points, you should have timed him during the Hewitt/Bagdatis matches, Nadal played much faster in the final vs Fed than Novak did in those.

    But Novak isn't winning slams, if he does, you will start seeing commentators/players complaining. I can only imagine what Fed would think if he had to deal with that.

    The fact that he played a 4 hour match vs Hewitt(only 4 sets!) & a 5 hour match vs Bagdhatis should make it obvious just how slow he plays.
    There have never been grasscourt matches even remotely close to those times(the Nadal-Fed final was 3:40), except matches that were like 15-13 in the 5th.
     
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    Djokovic was not complaining. This was about Hewitt's ex-coach talking about Nadal. But I didn't think that his description of Nadal's locker room behavior is intimidation. Running around the locker room is not intimidation IMO. It's Nadal being Nadal. The kid is hyperactive. He does take too much time between points and so does Djokovic. The umpire need to put a lid on the amount of time both players take bwt pts.
     
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    Umm, how about when he tosses the ball up? I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, but it's not like he tosses the ball up a ton of times and doesn't hit it. It's not like he quick serves people. As a tennis player we are all taught that once that ball goes up on the toss the person receiving gets on the balls of their feet.
     
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    if it is within the time limits, i guess they can do whatever they want... but that is the point, isn't it - the TIME LIMIT.
     
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    It is bloody annoying how he leaves his opponent waiting at the net with the official when they first get out on court. He can adjust his clothes and have those extra sips of water before he steps out on court. Absolutely unnecessary and serves only the purpose of annoying his opponent.
     
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  39. West Coast Ace

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    Uh, you've obviously never seen Roger Rasheed - he's huge - Rafa would be crying for his Mommy in no time.

    But totally agree with the poster who said RR is looking for work. Probably figured (wrongly!) that he'd have tons of offers - got nada and now misses the Show - and the nice checks.

    Agreed. The time limit thing is an issue - but as a fan I think more time means BOTH players are better rested for the next point which means BETTER TENNIS. If the other players were so disgusted by it I'm sure the ATP would hear about it.
     
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  40. Feña14

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    Are people really defending Nadal? what Nadal does is breaking the rules of the game so yes, he is a cheat, there is no excuse.

    Is there a rule to say how many times you can bounce the ball before you serve? Course not.

    Clutching at straws springs to mind.
     
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  41. tennishead93

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    wow i love it how they called him roger soderling
     
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    But the way the Serb was limping around the No 1 court like a wounded animal from the off did make you wonder what might have gone on behind closed doors.

    Only joking, of course.
     
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  43. tennishead93

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    quoted form the link
     
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    As opposed to nit picking his every movement. and nole had been over the limit, get over it. It's not cheating but I won't go through that again, it's called breaking the rules and that's it. Nothing more

    I really wish everyone in tennis would stop being such big babies. I get that tennis is made of babies but Nadal has really made tennis spectator have to bring out their blankies
     
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    You are right, it's breaking the rules, but he's not cheating? lol.. some people.
     
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  46. AJK1

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    In the wimby final Nadal said "b a s t a r d " in spanish after Federer hit a winner. He's not as nice as i thought he was.
     
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    In the 6th game of the 2nd set, when Federer was serving, Federer went down 15-40. Nadal then went for the towel; gamesmanship. Federer than fired off 2 aces, bringing it to deuce. At that point, Nadal went for the towel. Clear gamesmanship. He hadn't moved at all, yet he needs the towel? Bull-s.hit.

    Federer won anyways, firing off another ace to get advantage, then winning the game. Owned.
     
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    Yes look up the def and then you will truly laugh at your assumption that one is an synonym for the other;)
     
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    owned my ass. fed was rafa b**** again though that whole match the only convincing win he had over him that whole game was the 5th set.

    And if the other players aren't having a issue with it then why are you. Are you playing him in a final of a grand slam somewhere in another universe
     
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  50. WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis

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    Just for part of it, I think Nadal has closed the gap and will progress beyond Federer quickly.
     
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