Nat gut as main or cross in poly hybrid?

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  1. joshthefisher

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    I see some use nat gut as mains and some use for cross in hybrid stringing.

    What are the pros/ cons for either?
     
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  2. NiteHawk

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    From what I understand, gut on mains gives you power and spin (Federer, Djokovic); gut on cross gives you control (Murray, Radwanska).
     
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  3. Lukhas

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    And gut on mains will be shredded by poly crosses. There are too many threads like this; gut goes mains. For more precisions why, please use the seach tool and check TW University.
     
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    You want natural gut mains and use your most favorite thin poly.
     
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  5. Arthuro

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    I absolutely agree. Who would waste gut on the crosses? If that was the agenda you could simply use a cheap multi on the crosses for the same effect.
     
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  6. goran_ace

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    I prefer the feel of poly mains but also agree that gut crosses is a waste of money. A multi will do just fine to soften up the stringbed w poly mains and you end up just cutting it out anyway when the poly goes dead.
     
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  7. Shaun

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    Not necessarily if you have a smooth poly in the crosses.
     
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    this is a very personal question, it depends entirely on which one you like the feel of better.
     
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    Yes. My last string bed was 16 gauge gut in the mains and 4G 1.25 in the crosses. After about a month, no fraying, just some notching of the gut. All tennis was played indoors.
     
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  10. Dimcorner

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    I have gut on main and a smooth volkl poly in cross. Tension differential is 8lbs higher on gut (56lbs on main). Strung on a Babolat PDFO and it hits SWEEEET. Plenty of spin, comfortable, lots of pop as well if needed and no fraying so far.
     
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  11. TimothyO

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    I use gut mains with Focus Hex crosses.

    In light of gut's inherent power best tension and gauge are driven by frame reference SW/weight, head size, and string pattern.

    For higher SW, larger heads, and/or open patterns to maintain control you'll want thicker gauges at higher tensions and pre-stretch the gut a little. You might also want to pre-stretch the poly cross. Just don't go overboard with the pre-stretch or you can make even natural gut feel board-like.

    For lower SW, smaller heads, and/or closed patterns to maintain spin potential you'll want thinner gauges at lower tensions and pre-stretch is not as much of an issue.

    The "best" gauge and tension depends on the frame specs and personal preferences. For example, in a 95" 18x20 I've found 18g poly crosses are best in the mid to high 40s. At 98" with 16 mains I prefer thicker crosses at higher tensions for enhanced control.

    In any case, the conventional wisdom is that poly mains and gut crosses is wasteful since you can soften the poly mains with any cheap synthetic cross and get similar results.

    But gut mains and poly crosses can't be matched because of the hybrid's extremely low inter-string friction enhances spin potential while providing extraordinary comfort and long term playability (at least until you can feel dead poly through gut mains or the gut mains break).
     
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  12. TennisCJC

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    Natural gut crosses are used by a lot of pros but they have a pretty big string budget.

    The mains determine something along the lines of 70-80% of how a racket plays. Gut mains with poly crosses will play "mostly" like gut with some added control/spin from the poly. Poly mains with gut crosses will play "mostly" like poly with some softness and feel from the gut.

    So the monetary issue is if you aren't going to get a lot of the advantage from gut why spend so much money on gut when a good multi or even a decent syn gut is almost as good.

    Personally, I would not use poly mains with gut crosses unless I win the lottery. I have tried it in the past and there is a small advantage in my view but not worth the extra expense. I only use gut in the mains but I have stopped doing even that as I find multi mains with poly cross to play nice and to be just as cost effective. The poly is pretty much shot at or before 10 hours and the multi breaks at around 10 hours.
     
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  13. Steve Huff

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    I put gut in the mains at 60# and poly in the crosses at 55# on a lot of Babolats (not saying that's what you use). It seems to be an ideal tension and setup for good spin, adequate power and good control. One guy I string for uses Twisted Razor in the crosses. It may not last quite as long as having a smooth poly, but it doesn't do too bad.
     
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  14. 10smonkey

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    I use babolat vs 17 in the mains and Kirschbaum pro line 2 in the crosses in my prince classic graphite 100. Great feel and power. I get some fraying in the mains but just use a few elastocross to help with notching. It lasts very well.
     
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    I read a similar thread and there was a discussion about the best poly crosses with gut in the mains. I decided to try a string brand called L-Tec. The string itself is called 4S (not to be confused with the Lux 4G). It has a square/oval design, and as a result, the "notching" will happen later than normal resulting in consistently longer play. The tension maintenance is as good as it gets for a hybrid, and it is comfortable for a somewhat stiff poly. I would not recommend the L-Tec as a full string job. This poly is designed to be strung at tensions 52 lbs or less. It is a pricey set-up, but I have already played a dozen sets with this unique hybrid.
     
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