Nationality ranking of top 100 atp players.

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  1. hersito

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    Some stats I wanted to see and I'm sharing with everyone, did this in 15 mins and only double checked the countries with more than 2 players and this is how it goes:

    Country and number of players they have in the top 100 atp world tour:

    esp 12

    fra 8
    usa 8
    ger 8

    ita 6

    arg 5

    rus 4

    cze 3
    srb 3
    jpn 3
    bel 3
    aus 3

    ukr 2
    ned 2
    slo 2
    col 2
    pol 2
    svk 2
    sui 2

    cro 1
    gbr 1
    cyp 1
    bra 1
    rsa 1
    uzb 1
    fin 1
    rou 1
    bul 1
    tpe 1
    kaz 1
    est 1
    tun 1
    por 1
    ltu 1
    isr 1
    can 1
    lux 1
     
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  2. DolgoSantoro

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    About what I would have expected I guess
     
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  3. dudeski

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    Lol China and India have no players in top 100. A third of global population and not a single top 100 player!
     
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  4. hersito

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    and the worst thing is that china has a Masters, thats mainly why I made ths ranking, I wanted to see how much the atp tournaments are run by money than by the country interest/history/level of tennis in those countries. I think there are a couple of countries that deserve better tournaments (Argentina, at least a 500, spain deserves the wtf) and others that don't deserve them or don't deserve so many (mexico having a 500, china a 1000 and a 500, canada a 1000, USA 3 1000 and 2 500, dubai a 500). And in 2013 they are making the tour even more unfair to south america. Don't know how to fix it, maybe doing a a few 750 tournaments and a few less 250, just move the schedule around a little. But of course, money is what moves the world. Just my opinion.
     
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  5. akamc

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    hersito, that's quite an interesting look at the data.
    Although tennis is becoming more global, it's striking how dominating Europe is in terms of continents.
    Of course, quality still matters more than quantity (you only need one Federer or Murray) - unless you target the Davis Cup.
    Also, the number of tier 1 tournaments is somewhat driven by market growth potential too (OK, so maybe it is about money after all).
     
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  6. tusharlovesrafa

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    that's what I am wondering!:(
     
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  7. joeri888

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    USA has only 8 people, about 17% of all top 100 players, yet they have 3 of 9 masters! It's an scandal, a outrage, a digrace
     
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  8. tusharlovesrafa

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    Rich Americans taking our share away.I demand an immediate cancellation of 2 tourneys and a fine $2 billion to be levied on them.:twisted:
     
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  9. elpolaco84

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    Do not forget Montecarlo
     
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    Tennis is not the biggest sport in India. I think we have only one small ATP event in Chennai.
     
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    And 2 slams, Cincy and that other one
     
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  12. hersito

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    Where did you learn maths? 8 people out of 100 = 8%...

    So there are 1 1500 and 4 2000 = 9500
    9 1000 = 9000
    11 500 = 5500
    and 41 250 = 10250

    = 34250 points at play.

    USA has 1 2000 USO. 3 1000 Cincinnati, Indian Wells, Miami = 3000. 2 500 Memphis and Washington = 1000. And 7 250 Delray Beach, Atlanta, Houston, Los Angeles, Newport, San Jose and Winston Salem = 1750. So 7750 are played at USA and that is 23% of the points, so a quarter of the world tour points are played in USA, one country, how is that fair? Yes that is outrageous. So according to what you stated having 8 people on the top 100 would allow your country only to give about 3000 points... If you do that to other countries that don't even have a player in the top 100 or only 1 (canada, gbr, etc) the ratio is even more outrageous. I know this is not how they define tournaments, money and history very far away being the first things they use to define it, I'm just saying that is not fair.
     
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  13. ollinger

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    Tournaments are not located as a reward for number of ranked players. They are located based on where the money and advertising markets are, and to a lesser extent where the people who run the sport would like to see it grow.
     
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  14. Gonzo_style

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    Well Italia has a 6 players in top 100, but nobody in top 20!
     
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  15. hersito

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    That's exactly what I'm saying and we are discussing that, that it shouldn't be that way. History and level of tennis in that country should be more relevant than money.
     
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    The next soccer world cup will take place in Brazil, the one after that will take place in Qatar. Soccer fan have to boycott on this one to show discontent to the place location. If there is less money to do in Qatar (because less people watch the match on TV, and thus there is less advertising money), they won't choose ridiculous location for the next event. This is true for tennis. Let's boycott the US tournament.
     
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    I don't think so.
     
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    Borg, Edberg, Enqvist, Wilander....Boy, what happened to Swedish tennis?
     
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  19. nereis

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    Tournament locations are not based upon the aggregate citizenship of the ATP. If you wanted to do make it so, then you would be forced to concede that GB should have no ATP tournaments and the vast majority of tournaments should then be located in France, Spain and the US and to ignore the massive amounts of money to be made in Asia.

    Good luck convincing tournament directors that.
     
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  20. zebedee

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    A few of these players might usefully approach that bonso at the top of the English LTA (Draper isn't it?) with an offer to change nationality in exchange for money and support. Tennis GB is that desperate to boost its number of top players that Draper's been scratching around for years trying to do this. None of the women's leading lights are British by birth and Murray is clearly with any association of being thought English, though the money's good.
     
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  21. hersito

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    I'm not saying that that should happen, just to make it more fair.
     
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  22. PeteD

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    Here are the top 100 numbers per capita.
    I took OP's numbers of players in the top 100 for all countries with 2 or more players, and divided by population from Wikipedia.

    Result: what we already knew: there's something about Serbia . . . In fact, the top four countries, per capita, are all eastern Europe for some reason!

    -Country- --Top 100 players per 1M population--

    srb. . . . . 0.43
    slo. . . . . 0.40
    svk. . . . . 0.40
    cze. . . . . 0.30
    bel. . . . . 0.27
    esp. . . . . 0.26
    sui. . . . . 0.25
    aus. . . . . 0.13
    arg. . . . . 0.13
    fra. . . . . 0.12
    ned. . . . . 0.12
    ita. . . . . 0.10
    ger. . . . . 0.10
    pol. . . . . 0.05
    ukr. . . . . 0.04
    col. . . . . 0.04
    rus. . . . . 0.03
    usa. . . . . 0.03
    jpn. . . . . 0.02
     
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  23. Marius_Hancu

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    surprised they don't have more, they have great school
     
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  24. Sabratha

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    There's a lot less Australian players in the top 50 than say, ten years ago.
     
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    Here's a funny stat...

    Total weeks spent ranked number 1 - by country (since ATP computerized rankings began in 1973):
    1. USA - 896 weeks
    2. Switzerland - 301 weeks
    3. Czechoslovakia - 270 weeks
    4. Sweden - 201 weeks
    5. Spain - 112

    Federer and Lendl single-handedly responsible for their countries positions of 2 and 3.

    USA is Jimmy Connors, John McEnroe, Jim Courier, Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi, Andy Roddick combined.
     
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  26. hersito

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    As of today france now has 10 top 100 players, havent checked the other countries just that I was at a challenger in argentina and Rufin was playing and they said that if he got to the final (which he did and lost to argentinian Shwartzman) he would be top 100 for the first time, so I went to the rankings to check it.
     
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