Natural Testosterone

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  1. comeback

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    ....and from such a renowned source, Lew Rockwell.
     
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  3. colowhisper

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    Thanks for sharing. Last fall I stumbled upon and read a book called "The Testosterone Plan" that was put together by the editors of Men's Health magazine. I followed the 9 week diet and weight plan over this winter and experienced results similar to the subjects in the book (dramatic).

    The concept was raising testosterone naturually much like the linked article, worked very well for me. I am in shape and ready for tennis season!
     
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  4. sureshs

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    Seems to be just to do and eat the right things which are good for you in general.
     
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  5. ollinger

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    Why in the world would anyone who doesn't have an abnormally low testosterone level want to increase it?? The relationship between higher testosterone levels and development (and more rapid spread) of prostate cancer has been established in so many studies already that nobody seriously questions it. (Conversely, slowing the spread of prostate cancer by lowering testosterone or blocking its receptors is standard care for some years). The sine qua non of hormones like testosterone is that there are feedback loops that maintain their levels within a narrow range. Changing that is asking for trouble.
     
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  6. WildVolley

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    What about anabolic steroids instead?:twisted:

    Yeah, I'm partially serious. Weren't many of them developed in order to give the benefits of testosterone without the possibly bad side effects?

    I would guess that most people would want higher T-levels because of benefits either with athletic performance or sex drive. Professional athletics is rife with steroid abuse precisely because it benefits muscle development and recovery times. And isn't prostate cancer something that would mostly be an issue in very old age?
     
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    ^^ The incidence of prostate cancer starts to increase considerably after age 45. I have three friends who were diagnosed around age 50. Two of them are doing well and one will likely not be alive next year. More worrisome is that the cases diagnosed in younger patients tend to be more aggressive, probably because the very elderly have lower testosterone leves, so their cancers are less aggressive.
     
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    It is being questioned and has been for some time now.
     
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    ^^ what's the question. Testosterone blockers prolong survival, high levels lead to higher disease rates.
     
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    I think the key word is "naturally." Injections, supplements, steroids etc were for not for me and I wouldn't got there. But eating certain ratios of macronutrients at the right time of day and exercising in a way to promote natural testosterone level increases helped me lose fat in my "love handles," gain strength and increase energy levels in a cohort period of time. There were/are other benefits that made me aware of the testosterone but that would be tmi for this board. :)
     
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    ^^ you have to consider what testosterone range you're looking at. Most of the data you cite indicates that boosting testosterone in men WHO HAVE LOW TESTOSTERONE LEVELS is not associated with increased risk of prostate cancer. That seems reasonable. My original point here was that trying to increase your level if it's NOT low may be associated with risk, and there is some support for that. Also, pooled data across all ages may obscure findings.
     
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    Is there any risk associated with penis enlargement pills?
     
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    Be careful of falling toilet seats.
     
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    A hole in your pocket (or is it wallet).:(
     
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    "Boosting testosterone" will in all likelihood not have the desired results( lower body fat, better recovery etc) the real measurement that you are looking for to see those results is an increase in free testosterone levels. Most natural testosterone boosters do not increase free levels. That being said, I have not seen this wealth of studies that are being referred to with the link to prostate cancer. Exogenous hormones and potent androgens have been linked to benign prostate hypertrophy in otherwise healthy adults but I have never seen those results with a natural increase in levels in any study.
     
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    Have you experienced any side effects so far?
     
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    Clearasil for you...

    Originally Posted by r2473
    Is there any risk associated with penis enlargement pills?

    YES, your face and back will break out in acne like a 15 year old, no woman will want to be near you, and you will have to enjoy your large penis by yourself!!!
     
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    Yes, the risk of exposure wearing Bermuda shorts or in extreme cases, capri pants.
     
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    There is no such risk for r2473
     
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    It might be best/safest to shoot for moderate increases in T rather than huge increases as ollinger suggests. There is no telling how you might throw off the balance of hormones and other chemicals in your body with large increases of T. The "normal range" of T for men is actually rather large. According to some sources, a normal reference range might be 300-1200 ng/dl. Our levels vary throughout the day and also throughout our lives (decreasing with age). T levels are usually highest in the early morning (I wonder if this has anything to do with "morning wood").

    The real "bad boy" in the testosterone family is DHT (DiHydroTestosterone). High levels of DHT appear to be a major factor with prostate enlargement & prostate cancer, male pattern baldness and possibly other maladies. According to one source that I came across, men normally convert about 6-10% of their T to DHT. So it would follow that increasing your T levels would probably also increase DHT levels. Since it is normal to produce some DHT, there may very well be some positive benefits that it has in the system. However, problems appear to arise when DHT levels get too high. With excessive DHT levels we will often see baldness or prostate issues.

    The enzyme, 5α-reductase, is responsible for converting T to DHT. There are some pharmaceuticals on the market that inhibit the 5α-reductase enzyme, thereby reducing the amount of DHT in the body. There are also various foods, nutrients and herbs that tend to inhibit this enzyme as well. Some nutrients that can inhibit the enzyme include copper, zinc, and, possibly, selenium. Will mention other inhibitors in a future post.
     
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  22. r2473

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    Now you tell me.....

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  23. GuyClinch

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    Yeah higher T-Levels lead to higher prostate.. So what though.

    Most men who die of old age have prostate cancer - and it's not what killed them. its one of the slowest progressing cancers. If you live long enough you are going to get it. And if you do get it I strongly suggest you think about leaving it alone. Alot of the doctor proscribed 'therapies' can leave you incontinent.

    Prostate cancer is hardly a reason to worry about keeping your natural t-levels low... I mean I guess we could lower the chances of prostate cancer by becoming a eunuch..
     
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    ^ I've also seen several sources that have indicated this. My dad, now in his mid 80s, has been put on a drug for the past 2 years that suppresses his T production severely in order to slow down his prostate issues. In the past year, we have seen a very rapid decline in short term memory and his ability to focus/concentrate. He frequently forgets what he is doing or what he was planning to do. As a result, he gets very frustrated, irritable and depressed. He has put on a considerable amount of weight/fat in the past year as well. We have also seen strong evidence of bone density loss.

    I believe the the very low T levels also put him at a heightened risk for heart disease (which is already an issue for him), diabetes (some family history here) and other cancers. His quality of life has diminished considerably in the past year or so. It appears that the effects of the "treatment" is truly worse than the threat of the condition being treated.
     
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    Sorry to hear about your friends.
    They have a new procedure with a 95% success rate of cure.

    http://www.sacbee.com/2013/03/05/5237822/95-cure-rate-for-prostate-cancer.html

    http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=18192&Section=Disease
     
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    lol best comedy comes from r2473.. :)
     
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    Maintaining a normal testosterone level through old age can definitely enhance quality of life and I have seen no studies that suggest any effect on prostate health beyond benign prostate hypertrophy. You can easily prevent that with a reductase blocker like finasteride or saw palmetto( less effective) Personally if I were a person who wanted to try hormone replacement for men, I would try to find a clinic that would provide a hormone with a higher anabolic to androgenic ratio. A hormone like that would improve muscle tone, nutrient partitioning and fat loss while minimizing hair loss and prostate hypertrophy.
     
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  28. T1000

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    Best natty test boosters that also affect free test and work are APE by AEN and the Triazole/Activate Xtreme stack by Driven Sports. None of the other ones are that effective. Or you could just get some standalone DAA since a lot of people have had good results in that. Eating test boosting foods and better isn't going to do any significant difference. If you're old enough you could hop on TRT
     
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