Navratilova & Mcenroe on Racquet/String Tech

Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by dmcb101, May 28, 2013.

  1. 2ndServe

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    whoever is running tennis should take a look at golf. Golf tech is constantly changing but they have limits on what is acceptable. From the clubs, how "hot" or how much rebound the clubface can be, to the balls spin etc.

    Tennis has failed in this department. It's pretty much has no limits except racket head size/length. The sport does seem very popular to me and growing (maybe more with the city I live in) but I don't have metrics to see if the game is growing in the US, globally etc. I do know golf has far outpaced tennis in terms of popularity (mostly due to tiger) the money, sponsorships, junior programs, tv deals etc have grown so much bigger. I'm not sure I can the same for tennis.

    I enjoy watching tennis because it's something I've watched and participated as a kid. If I didn't play as a kid there is no way I'd find the current tennis interesting enough to watch. I find watching a guy like Haas infinitely more exciting than watching Murray or Novak.
     
  2. BreakPoint

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    I would suggest watching the two greatest matches ever played back-to-back. First watch the 2008 Wimbledon final between Federer and Nadal. Then watch the 1980 Wimbledon final between Borg and McEnroe. You would be shocked by the difference in the shotmaking-to-errors ratio between the two matches. And, no, it's not just about how fast they hit the ball but by how hard it was to play defense and to recover during points using tiny, heavy, wood racquets.
     
  3. BreakPoint

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    You can say that again. My two favorite pros to watch BY FAR are Haas and Federer. :)

    It's been scientifically proven that the best cure for insomnia is watching a Murray vs. Ferrer match. :shock: :)
     
  4. Gut4Tennis

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    racquetball 10 or so years ago went from 2 serves to 1, as people were ripping serve winners. tennis could do the same and it could work wonders in making points longer
     
  5. Arafel

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    Just to play devil's advocate, I'll point out that they do in baseball. Most kids growing up hit with aluminum bats, even in college, but are only allowed to use wood bats in the majors. It doesn't seem to hurt the game.
     
  6. magnut

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    We should just change the name of the game while we are at it. Call it wackitball or something. Lets change the score system too......And allow on court coaching. Lets put cheerleaders on and do shows in between sets. Lets let players play in their underwear. Lets get some tracer balls and do glow in the dark night matches. Tennis needs to promote more gayism and let people make out with eachother on court.... both men and women. Lets just turn the whole thing into a freak show and do away with this tired and boring game the same way the NBA and NFL have done.

    Tennis needs to change if its going to compete with other sports.

    I guess you guys are too young to remember Slapshot (Paul Newman Hockey movie).
     
  7. magnut

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    Get real my friend. Do you know how much a quality wood racquet would cost the consumer in todays market?

    Going back to wood will never happen in tennis.....never ever.
     
  8. BreakPoint

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    Probably not very much given that back in the late-70's a wood racquet cost $30 while a graphite racquet cost $300. They just need to revive the wood racquet production industry again. :)
     
  9. magnut

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    Not going to happen although I would love to see new top quality woos racquets again.

    Environmentalists in tennis would go crazy. We will be lucky if raquets are not made from recycled milk jugs and last more than 3 string jobs in the future. Now that everythings going to throwaways thats the next step in racquet technology.
     
  10. qwertre

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    Fair enough. That was something I was legitimately curious about. What I don't understand about that is how you find a match with more errors and less shot-making more fun to watch.
     
  11. qwertre

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    Why does tennis need equipment regulation?
     
  12. sureshs

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    I have thought about it. I don't this wood rackets will be bad for the environment. The amount of wood is small, and the cut trees can be replaced by replanted ones. The graphite rackets use many chemicals in the manufacturing process which need to be disposed off, so you have to compare between the two.
     
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    The same can be said for a lot of recycling. It does not matter whats good for the environment. If that were the case we would all still buy gatorade in glass bottles.
     
  14. sureshs

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    It is not an all-or-nothing thing, but an effort which must be made.
     
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    HAHA Didnt that same study prove that listening to a match between Azarenka and Sharapova has a 100% chance of causing a migraine?
     
  16. magnut

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    Yes....Even if it has no effect LOL. Typical...change for the sake of change garbage. You can sell that to someone else. I have been around the block enough times to know exactly what environmentaslists care about and it aint the environment.
     
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    Be careful or the IRS will be sicked on you
     
  18. BreakPoint

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    Because since it was impossible for you to blast clean winners from anywhere on the court (even from 10 feet behind the baseline) using wood racquets, you had to use your brain a lot more to out-think your opponent in order to win points. It was much more a game of strategy, creativity, and guile. Hey, a lot of people enjoy watching poker and chess too, don't they? :)
     
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    Donk get me wrong. I have a frog pond that I dug by hand in the back yard and only drink from reusable containers. But I also hunt and fish. I teach my boys about respecting nature and the part they play in protecting it.

    I love nature and the preservation of it....just not psudo-environmentalists who want to use it as an excuse to extort money from business owers.
     
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  20. Bhagi Katbamna

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    If the Gasquet Wawrinka match is any indication, please do not change anything.
     
  21. BreakPoint

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    I disagree. The Wawrinka-Gasquet match clearly proves that the two-handed backhand should be immediately BANNED!! :)
     
  22. NikeWilson

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    If Navratilova wants the game to go back to wooden racquets, she should've said so 30 years ago.
    It's too late now. So, zip it, Martina.
     
  23. qwertre

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    You know what? That's fine. I can see we've gotten to the point where only our opinions are different, and no further amount of arguing is going to change either of us. I like a little power and physicality to go with my brains and skill-- you like chess on a tennis court. Is there anything wrong with that? No. In fact, it's kind of nice. As I've said earlier, the ATP's main goal should not be to reward any specific play, but to let every style of tennis succeed at the highest level-- from the baseliners to the Fabrice Santoros 8)
     
  24. souledge

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    Quoting RPM's for slice shots is pointless. It's like someone asking what the top speed of an 458 Italia is and you tell them the gas mileage of a Geo Metro.

    Quote topspin RPM's only please.
     
  25. tennixpl

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    is JM still complanining about this? i remember this whining in 99 with sampras, rudseksi, and rafter being the last of the serve and volley players.
    NO offense JM but you were not the best in shape player and all the previous mentioned (by other posters) reasons are why the game is faster and harder. Isner would still serve a huge ball, only now the returner would have a tougher time getting it back in with control if they had a 70in wood frame.
    Also this mindset completely negate the idea that they couldnt make more advanced wood rackets nowadays too. allow more diveristy in the game as far as surface speed and ball fuzz. a woody tournament would be fun to watch..... maybe. JM and MN complain that the finesse is gone but that is not so, ever watch doubles????? i know even tennis channel only shows it if its the williams sisters or Bryan Brothers but that is some damn good finesse and touch tennis mixed with power ball. its a shame it doesnt get on TV more. six years away from the game and racquet companies still sell same sticks and commentators all still make same complaints.
     
  26. TennisCJC

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    Every one seems to be in the let them use whatever they want but golf and baseball do restrict equipment - ridges on club face, no metal bats, and banning the long putter next year. Personally, I think there should be more equipment restrictions in tennis. The game is to the point where baseline bashing is wiping out all other styles.

    I am not sure how to fairly do it but restricting string type would do a great deal toward re-balancing the playing field.
     
  27. qwertre

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    Why do that over re-balancing the surfaces?
     
  28. souledge

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    You can use the long putter if you wish. You just can't anchor it.
     
  29. TennisCJC

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    Eliminating co-poly would be easier than regulating surface speed. Co-poly just makes it to easy for ATP pro to return and pass. You see passing shots that are hit routinely now that would be a once a match thing 15 years ago. Wimbledon is still a fairly fast surface and you see passing shots hit on the run from several feet behind the baseline fairly frequently. These shots were extremely rare before co-poly strings.
     
  30. vandre

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    mn apparently doesn't remember when she bailed on the woodie from 74-76 in favor of a fiberglass stick even before switching to graphite in 1982. that same year, jmac allegedly switch to stick that blended fiberglass and wood.

    http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/dunlop.html

    the job of commentator seems to require as much personal integrity as politics.
     
  31. brinkeguthrie

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    heh I could not hit a one handed backhand to save my life.
     
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    Yes and not just the rare shots, but many higher trajectory passing shots can be out of reach of volleyers yet still easily land in because of so much spin. Also it enables those players to hit much, much harder and still have the balls land in - and that's much more difficult to do with gut. That leads to the one area that McEnroe mentioned that is underappreciated, whereas he focused more on head size enabling players to take these huge, long swings without anywhere near as much threat of missing the shot or mishitting the ball.
     
  33. ASH1485

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    Federer would love this
     
  34. ProPlayer

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    FWIW, I regularly play with a 67sq in. wood/graphite frame. (27.5" long, 12.7oz) strung with full poly at 59. And it plays quite well, I have won matches with it. I can hit about 90% what my modern graphite frames hit. But its WAY more fun.
    The strings almost make a bigger difference than the racket. I hit with a western grip, and can hit flat shots or nadaly style top spin. ( I feel the combo of the poly and flex of the wood giving a slight slingshot effect, help in the topspin dept)

    I would like to see the pros play with wood, even if just for one MANDITORY tourney. It would be much more entertaining, and you would see who really has skill. I think it would even out the field a bit. so those that have more skill and athletecism would prevail, rather than just hitting a hard shot.
    (right now its almost like having and entire field of 7ft BB players and all they do is dunk)

    PS, I have a Borg pro on the way and will string it with RPM blast and extend it to 27.5
     
  35. Milan

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    The problem is the strings (Poly). And it's destroying everyone's arms.. Perhaps get rid of that and we're good.
     
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    You might say that about Mac, who may not have ever seen the inside of a gym during his professional career.

    But Navratilova was very seriously into fitness and strength training while she was still playing professional singles.

    Plus, my subjective read is that she's really the much more intelligent of the two, regarding what comes out of her mouth re: the modern game.
     
  37. TennisCJC

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    ^^^ yes, Navratilova had fitness trainers and nutritionist in her camp in the 80s. She was a specimen of an athlete and was uber fit by any standard including today's top WTA players. I think she was fitter than most of today's WTA pros by a substantial margin in her prime.

    Also, surprisingly McEnroe in his prime years '82-'84 was also very fit. Mc played doubles and singles and thinned down after a couple of years on tour. He was extremely quick during this time. He also was very capable of playing a long 5 set match and won many of them. He never was as fit as Lendl but he was very fit in his prime.
     
  38. West Coast Ace

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    Yes. She was way out in front.

    You were doing so well, then had to add this. LOL! JMac admits he couldn't touch his toes; and his upper body muscle tone was non-existent. None of that takes away from his amazing serve and incredible volleying. But don't make him out to be what he wasn't. He won 5 set matches because his S&V game kept points short.
     
  39. struggle

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    Jmac played plenty of long matches including a 6.5 hour davis cup test against Mats.

    He may not have been a physical specimen in the male adonis sense, but make no mistake.....he was in shape.

    foolish talk otherwise. you don't compete well against Jimbo and Ivan if you are just some trick shot artist,... sorry, bzzzzt.
     
  40. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Agreed. On the SuperSaturday(1984) his match against Jimmy went to 5 sets and finished well after midnight but he came on the next day and straight setted Lendl in the final.
     

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