Navratilova says Nadal cannot be defeated by 1 hander

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  1. sureshs

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    She said yesterday on Tennis channel that to defeat Nadal at the Fench Open, a right handled player needs to have a 2-handed backhand, otherwise it is impossible. This is very significant coming from someone who was famous for her one-handed backhand and won the FO twice.
     
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    martina has like 18 singles grand slam titles, i believe :shock:
     
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    Yeah and Chris Evert said not too long ago that the days of a champion on the WTA being under 6' tall were over. Along came Justine Henin.

    And, Martina once opined when she was #1 in the world, that she could beat the #100 man in the world. Vitas Gerulaitis called her hand on it saying he'd bet a Rolls Royce against her. She qualified the bet and said she could do it if she got to pick the surface. Gerulaitis then said he'd bet his $1M home against her. I believe the #100 man in the world at that time was Brad Gilbert.

    Point being, I don't know how 'significant' it is.
     
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    It's simple physics. A one-hander can't handle shots above shoulder level. It looks painful to watch. RG clay is so high bouncing. It exposes that particular stroke when playing Nadal like no other conditions would.
     
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    Gilbert vs Martina on grass. I'd love to see that.
     
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    Yeah I guess that's why Lendl never won the FO right :rolleyes:
     
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    As much as Martina is very qualified to speak on this topic, I disagree. Federer, a one-hander probably has the best chance of beating Nadal on clay (or any surface for that matter) with Djoker being a fairly close second.

    I can see why Martina said what she did, I just really can't see why I should agree. The Brazillian qualifier, Marcus Daniel managed to do OK with a one-hander (albeit against a Nadal who wasn't 100% by any stretch of the word). To conclude, I think that no matter what style of backhand you use, at Roland Garros, you're going to have trouble beating Nadal.
     
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    Agree, she has only confirmed something pretty well known....however I would rephrase that by saying Nadal cannot be beaten by a single hander or 2 hander .....if he is playing his best
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIJfQ6adFqY
     
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    Fed's serve won him Madrid. He better hope he is serving out of his mind or that shot will be the downfall of him yet again. Djokovic is way tougher for Nadal.
     
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    I should've been more specific. More like it won't hold up with relentless topspin combined with high bouncing surfaces. RG 2005 vs. Gasquet as an example of that.
     
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    Navratilova is right.
     
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  14. Mick

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    well, until someone with a one hbh beat nadal here at roland garros, martina's statement remains true, as he has never been beaten here in all the 'official' matches that he has played.
     
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    Seems like an overstatement. A one-hander would obviously have a very difficult time but considering that Federer is one of Nadal's biggest threats at RG, I don't see why it can never happen.
     
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    Martina was great in tennis, the things that came out her mind were always a bit coloured and off.
     
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    If Federer had a two-handed backhand, Nadal would have 0 FO's.
     
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    she didnt say it was completely impossible, like there was no way in a million years a onehander could beat nadal, thast not what she said...

    she was asked what it would take to beat nadal on play and she said among other things a two handed bakchand, she just was saying a twohanded backhanded would be better suited...
     
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    yeah but then he would not have his legion of fans here at talk tennis who are his fans because they love his 1hbh :)
     
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    She's wrong but not completely. A righty with a one handed backhand can beat Nadal at RG, but it will be extremely, and I mean extremely difficult. Someone like Lendl and Guga may have a shot. Both are tall with long limbs, and hit the ie one handed backhands with semi western grips which is conducive to handling the high ball.

    So it's not impossible, but very, and again, I mean very difficult.
     
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    Lendl had an eastern grip.
     
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    Then what do you call Ivan lendl then and gaudio :roll:
     
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    certainly applies to federer. If federer had a seppi like two-hander this head to head with nadal would be very different. But having said that there have been several top notch 1 handers and its interesting to think how those guys would have done versus nadal.
     
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    I have a one hander, but it find it very difficult to hit the high backhander, so I practice double for those high balls, but my one hander is solid on regular and the two hander is **** on regular hits.
     
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    wow - roddick has a better chance to beat nadal than federer
     
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    Ridiculous statement.

    If Federer had a bigger, more accurate serve and better volleys he'd have a fair shot.

    Navratilova is guilty of the worst kind of reductionism here. She's isolating one element out of a slew of factors. That's just... bad.
     
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    Wawrinka and Almagro can crush high balls with their one hander.
     
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    I meant to quote this one.
     
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    The fact that it takes a Federer to get so close to Nadal and yet he fails to beat him shows how handicapped the one handed backhand is. In spite of his serve and forehand, Federer is handicapped against Nadal at the French. A lesser person with a one hander would have absolutely no chance. But a lesser person with a two hander would have a chance. That is the point.
     
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    Federer's topspin BH isn't even that good. People just highly overrate it because he was so dominant from 2004-2007.
     
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    She may be right to a certain extent, but Navratilova annoys the living hell out of me. God she talks too much!!!!
     
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    It is so-so. Wawrinka and Gasquet's are much better.
     
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    I believe the #100 man at this time was Derek Tarr, former Auburn #1, and he was quite nervous about the "opportunity". Vitas had said he'd bet his house Martina couldn't beat Harold Solomon, then well past his prime, and that she couldn't even beat her coach, Mike Estep, who Vitas thought would only be about #1,000 if he came back on tour.
    The finer point of the subject still bears noting, and Martina displays a lack of complete thought: one shot, no matter how many hands execute it, doesn't make or break someone. Federer has as good a shot as any top player at beating Nadal at RG because of his complete game. I hope we see a competitive final no matter who plays or how many hands they play with.
     
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  35. el sergento

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    Federer never loses because of his backhand, Federer looses because his forehand breaks down and he doesn't convert break points.

    In other words, it's not the backhand that lets fed down, it's what's between the ears.
     
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    True, I just love that one handed backhand, even if it's a weakness in the modern game.
     
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    Agree, I actually did stats on this in the 2007 FO open, and it was his FH that let him down>>> not his BH. To add, he hit way more BH's in that match, and got a larger percentage of his BH's in play than his FH.
     
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    the one handed backhand is just a piece of art.
     
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    Yep totally agree, 1/17 bp's converted in the FO 2007 final, including 0/10 in set 1 in three separate Nadal service games. In fact I believe he had 6 break points in one service game alone.
     
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    Navratilova is wrong.
     
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    Indeed. Furthermore, her bud Evert did not back her up on this. She admitted publicly that Martina had no chance and that her Evert's own brother and other coaches could beat her in practice.

    As for the 1 hander, Martina is wrong. Of course, few, or no, one handers could currently do it, few, or no, two handers can currently do it. (at least at the level Nadal has been playing the last couple years). If he keeps that level it would take an exceptional player to beat him, regardless of 1 or 2 hands. However, I think any knowledgable observer would realize that Guga probably would have as good a chance as anybody to do it. Lendl might also....and there are others....her statement is "safe" in that, her chances of being proven wrong are low, but it is not correct.
     
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    you really made me laugh :)
     
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    Last I heard Fed took Nadal at Madrid recently & Hamburg a year earlier, but yes it's tough going against Nadal, but never say never. I remember Pancho G.. saying " no one will ever win ' Wimbledom' with an OS frame - ever hear of Andre Agassi ?
     
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    or kuerten. or gaudio.
     
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    'Ratilova is wrong. Fed just beat Nadal last tournament and will do it again in the FO final.
     
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    It's simple. Fed can't let Nadal dominate him with that one shot.

    High % of 1st serves

    Stay agressive and keep points short

    Jump all over Nadal's serve when it drops short.

    If Fed dicates play, he won't have to hit high one-handed backhands all day. It's very simple in principle but incredibly hard to execute... but I believe in Fed, it's just sooo perfectly set-up it could almost be a movie.

    Fed dominates for ages, then along comes somebody that puts him in a world of hurt, makes him cry, beats him in 2 FO open finals, anhilates him in another, takes over his house (wimbledon) and then beats him again in Australia.... and seemingly the once great Federer has no answer and is doomed to being 2nd best to the freak from Mallorca (Agassi's nickname for Rafa, not mine...) and then with Nadal on the verge of history, at seemingly his strongest and most dominant time, at the place he has never lost a match, on the surface where has never lost a best of 5 set match, when everyone, absolutely everyone has already handed the title to Nadal without a ball being struck in anger, Federer goes and beats him.


    It's just too perfect a story for it not to happen.
     
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    Fed defeated a tired Nadal who had won 3 tournaments in a row and was hammered by Djokovic in the semifinals. Had Fed faced Djokovic or Murray (the two handers), he would not have made it to the final. Nadal also tanked the match to shift the focus to Fed at RG.
     
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  49. sureshs

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    Fed's FH appears to breakdown only because he is busy running around his backhand, afraid of Nadal's ball there. By that time, the forehand is wide open, and Nadal causes an error there. Plain and simple. Serve to the BH, hit to the BH, open up the FH, or get a weak reply from the BH, and then cause an error on the FH. In Madrid, Fed left the forehand open, but Nadal did not bother to utilize the opportunity. If he had, the stats would show "forehand errors."
     
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    last year, after the match, mcenroe asked borg what federer could have done differently. borg said federer should have been more patience. in his opinion, federer went for the winners too soon and thus committed too many unforced errors.
     
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