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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by soyizgood, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. jamesblakefan#1

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    Um, half the guys in the NBA don't play defense. Manu's still a HOF player and best 6th man of this era, coming off the bench doesn't make him any lesser of a great player. Harden's a good player, probably will win 6th man of the year. Coming off the bench doesn't make you a scrub.
     
  2. Ronaldo

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    Think of Hondo
     
  3. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    First of all, trash talking that doesnt turn into personal attacks doesn't hurt anyone. Whereas an intention elbow to someone's head does.

    You're the one to talk about double standards. You think trash talking is bad but elbowing some "scrubs" in the head is fine?

    Look at the video again, there was intend. He swung his arm above his shoulder as soon as he felt someone there, and then the follow-through.

    Manu Ginobili and James Harden can't do anything on defense? Flopping or not, that's up for another debate but they get a lot of charges. But that's not the reason why they come off the bench. Believe it or not, winning is not just about the starters. That's why both of those teams have better records than the Lakers because they're deep teams.
     
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    Do you even know how to read? I can't even take you seriously anymore.
     
  5. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Likewise, since you don't understand the merits of having a go-to guy off the bench. Lamar Odom must not have been a very good player, since he came off the bench too.
     
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    Well, I'll agree with T1000 that ^^this guy has a bit of trouble reading posts. Like I pointed out in my earlier post that he quoted, I have no problem with people committing HARD fouls on Blake Griffin. He for some reason translated hard fouls to "harsh" fouls.

    Also, nowhere is T1000 calling Harden a bad player, scrub, or anything like that. All he's doing is calling attention to Harden's character. I have no idea what Harden is like, so I can't comment about that.
     
  7. T1000

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    LOL I actually play basketball so I'm pretty sure I understand why they're on the bench better than you. Let me know when you walk onto a team that got votes to be ranked in the top 25 DI this year and beat Temple and Creighton. Oh and coming off the bench = bad player. You're really desperate now, just give up I've destroyed everyone of your pathetic attempts to defend Harden. Making up stuff isn't going to help
     
  8. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I'm not defending Harden to begin with, but it was you who brought in the notion that because he's a bench player, he's not worth it.

    In my original posts, I simply said you don't elbow people in the heads, regardless who you are. (champion or not). He could have elbowed anyone else I would still make the same argument.

    Anything else you want to say? So much for saying I don't read people's posts when you took my original posts and went other direction.
     
  9. jamesblakefan#1

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    Overly simplistic and wrong generally speaking. Maybe that's true at the lower levels of college ball or intramurals, but in the NBA where everyone's good, everyone can't start. So you need good and sometimes great players to help you off the bench. If a guy's coming off the bench and still getting the same minutes most starters get, it only means that his coach uses him in the 6th man role to provide a scoring boost. You really think Ginobili's a scrub? The guy's started less than half his games but still averages 28 MPG, 15 PPG, 3 APG, 1.5 SPG. And Ronaldo brought up Hondo Havlicek, the greatest 6th man of all time.

    If the '6th man' and bench players in general weren't important, then there wouldn't be an award for it and coaches wouldn't sign guys just to give them an extra punch off the bench. Jason Terry is another guy that's made a career of coming off the bench and helped lead Dallas to the title last year with his help last year.

    Relating to Harden, the guy's still putting up big numbers this year - 16 ppg, 39% 3pt, and like I said, the same minutes most starters would get (31 MPG). He's a runaway shoe in for 6th MOTY, and deservedly so.

    The fact is that when you look at every championship team in history, pretty much all of them have had key contributors off the bench that make key plays when their starters are having off nights. Miami lost last year partially because their bench stunk, and that seems to be the case again this year. So no, coming off the bench =/ bad player. Pretty strange for someone with your supposed credentials to think like that TBH.
     
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  10. Fifth Set

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    LOL, this is hilarious. The number of Artest apologists in the world is pretty shocking. The dude is just a psycho.

    Where you would typically see teammates and coach rush in and defend a player, here it was just silence. They are embarrassed by him - why aren't you?

    Would be beyond fantastic if this resulted in the Lakers getting booted out of the first round by my Nuggs and the class act Ty Lawson. Might also teach GMs to stop trying to rehab players who need the mental ward, not the NBA.

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  11. hollywood9826

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    Im not defending MWP as much as Im questioning Hardens actions.

    Everyone in the world knows MWP is a nut case and menatlly unstable. If there is anyone you dont push the line against it would be that guy. Harden pushed the line and paid the price. I still think he did what he did to get some sort of reaction like a shove to get a foul called. Its the kind of things that make him a valuable asset to a team.

    I was more or less defending the length of the suspension. I was thinking when I saw it because it was MWP it would be 10 games. Bynum was only suspended 5 regular season games for his attack on Barea and 5 regular season games is like 2 playoff games.

    Guys have been suspended less games for worse and anyone besides MWP still gets 2 games max. So a suspension in the 7-10 range is acceptable IMO.
     
  12. Ronaldo

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    Did you forget to turn on your sarcasm detector today?
     
  14. T1000

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    Making up stuff to try to make an argument doesn't work. You really need to learn how to read. I said Harden pulls this crap all the time and calls out starters when he doesn't start. He had it coming to him. I never said he "wasn't worth it" Nice try though
     
  15. dParis

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    Do you even know how to write? I can't even take you seriously anymore.

    Putting aside the miserable syntax, you waste a post claiming to make the point that you "really"(?) don't condone throwing elbows at heads, but make it perfectly clear that you think Harden had it coming. Which is it? Why do you ignore the blatant and obvious, and instead try to make this about James Harden? This has very little to nothing to do with James Harden. That could have been anyone on the receiving end of that elbow.

    I agree with 5th Set, that the number of Artest apologists is shocking. Apparently we have Artest's mother and his girlfriend posting in this thread.
     
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    Good post. I cant even go back and forth with guys that back Ron Arrest. I think they are doing it just to keep the argument going, they cant possibly be serious in that Harden had it coming.
     
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    We are not condoning the elbow. Simply saying they Harden acts somthing was going to happen. Ad to the fact that he decided to push the ticking time bomb and its not all that surprising. What Artest did was uncondonable (I pretty sure I just made that word up).

    But it wasnt just anybody bumping into Artest it was Harden and he is the kind of guy who trys to get under poeples skin.

    Harden had something coming to him all players of his type do. Should it have an elbow to the head? In the NHL a guy would just drop the gloves and the guys would duke it out. The NBA has no way anymore of keeping people in check and it ends up blowing up.

    I would imagine you also think Ben Wallace had no part in the palace Brawl. They both were kindling to the fire and Artest blew them up.
     
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    MWP was chillin' on a table at the Palace. Fan soaked him. Fans had it coming. Best 20 minutes of all time in the NBA.
     
  20. hollywood9826

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    But wallace actions with the double handed throat chop set the action rolling got the fans in the mood to actually want to throw something at somebody.

    There was a good chance the Pacers were gonna win the title that year also. They were at least one of the favorites.
     
  21. dParis

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    You sort of are condoning it though.

    Apparently, the video I'm seeing shows something different than the video you have seen.

    Is that the Meta "World Peace" Cafe you are linking to? :D

    Let's see... Fan soaked him. Fans had it coming?
     
  22. T1000

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    And it looks like you're Harden's girlfriend
     
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    Melo hating suits you better. So if you talk crap to every starter in the league and pull this shadowing nonsense all the time then do it to a guy that's known to be an insane violent nutcase you don't think he has it coming to him? Best joke I've heard all day
     
  24. hollywood9826

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    I'm not condoning it, but Im also not surprised it happened. The punishment is fair. Like I said I would have said 10 games, he will essentially miss the entire 1st round so Thats just. Any other guy gets 3 max. kobe and any marketable superstar maybe two games, but probbaly just one.

    If was in a bar laying down and somebody threw a beer on me Im gonna punch the guy in the face. Sadly the artist formally known as Ron punched the wrong guy :) but it all started with Ben Wallace double chop Tongan Death Grip to the throat.
     
  25. Ronaldo

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    Wow, always thought the same. That the Pacers were the best team in the East and the Pistons were lucky to get the Lakers. Big Ben really had that choke hold on tight.
     
  26. jamesblakefan#1

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    The brawl happened the year after Detroit beat LA in the finals, they lost to the Spurs in the finals the season the brawl happened.

    Someone let the Bobcats on national TV? :shock:
     
  27. Ronaldo

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    You are right, 11/14/2004. Pacers still had the best team in the East. This is Big Ben's last game tonite. Just ended.
     
  28. dParis

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    In general, you don't condone elbowing people in the head during basketball games. That's mighty civilized of you. Pat yourself on the back.

    But in this case specifically, you do condone it. "Harden had it coming." Artest put Harden "in his (proper) place."

    Kind of sad that I understand what you're saying better than you do and have to explain it to you.

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  29. soyizgood

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    SPURS had the #2 offense in the league this year? Only Denver scored more? Crazy...
     
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    Rose had knee issue in Game 1. Getting an MRI. Dude's missed 27 games this year.
     
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    Saying he had it coming doesn't mean I condone it. The Japanese had the atomic bomb coming to them since they wouldn't surrender and attacked us but does that mean I agree with nuking two cities? Cmon man this is getting pathetic
     
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    Time has come today for Da Bulls.
     
  35. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Look at Harden balling! Breaking down the defense, moving his feet and taking charges! Not too shabby for a bad player!

    Not bad for first game back after getting a concussion for "getting in someone's way".
     
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    Harden is a good defender honestly. I love his game. I saw where people said he sucked at d in here and I just can't agree there.
     
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    Hand the title to Miami. No one to challenge them in the east, they'll coast to the finals and be fresh.

    Too about Rose...so sad.
     
  38. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I think the East opened up for the Boston Celtics instead. If they can get to the Miami Heat, I think Boston will beat Miami.

    Then they'll play the Chicago Bulls. I don't think they were going to beat the Bulls with Rose. It'll be close, but I picked the Bulls to win. Because they have the hustle and then the brilliance of Rose. But now, it'll just be the hustle.

    Boston Celtics have given Miami Heat problems during the regular season games. I don't think the Heat are deep enough.
     
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    I agree, Rose seems to be the one player over everyone else who gets the better of Rondo. If they get Allen back by then to lead the second unit, which they should, I think they can beat the Bulls and have a crack at Miami.
     
  40. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    But... he comes off the bench, how could he possibly be a good defensive player?! Actually, since he's coming off the bench, he must not be a good player altogether. Because no one comes off the bench purposely, right?
     
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    Actually, I'd still be surprised if it's anything but a Miami-Chicago ECF, Boston's weakness (rebounding) is our strength, and Noah is still better at rebounding than anyone on Boston's team. It may be tougher, but I still think we are too tough for Boston to handle.
     
  42. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Yeah Boston is horrible at rebounding though...
     
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    I believe he started in the beginning of the season but him as the 6th man was a better rotation.


    Btw, CRAZYY jumper/lob by Durant. MVP!!
     
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    Speaking of bench, SA's bench is so strong - Captain Jack, Ginobili, Splitter, Bonner, Blair. Along w/ Chicago (before Rose's injury :() they're the deepest team in the league. But yeah, all those guys suck since they come off the bench and don't play D. :)
     
  45. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Look at Manu Ginobili and Stephen Jackson contribute today! Not bad for some no-name bench players!
     
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    How the hell did the Clippers come back? Memphis controlled the game. Yet the Clippers closed it on a 28-3 run?!?!?!
     
  47. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Because their bench players, or bad players like some people like to refer them as, kept playing. Reggie Evans, Nick Young, Eric Bledsoe, and Kenyon Martin got them back in the game.

    Look at Kenyon Martin, another bad player coming off the bench to give a good foul and play defense on the last play.
     
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    Free agency starts at midnight. And surprise, surprise, guess who wants to be traded...AGAIN.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8...ls-orlando-magic-gm-wants-trade-brooklyn-nets

    I called this months ago. Dwight just screwing Orlando up a creek.


     
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  49. Disgruntled Worker

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    Dwight Howard lost ALL credibility and respect with me once he tried getting a trade IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON! At least LeBron had the decency to make 'The Decision' after the season was over. This guy was actually willing to leave the Magic high and dry for what? A championship?

    The worst part about it is he doesn't even try to own up to it. One second he's criticizing Otis Smith and trying to get Stan Van Gundy fired, the next he's all lovey-dovey. Own up to your stuff Dwight. Develop an offensive post move. And actually accomplish something greater than getting humiliated in the 2009 Finals before wanting superstar treatment.
     
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    Probably means D. Williams wants to stay there as well.
     

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