NBA 2012-2013 Discussion, keep it classy

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  1. jerriy

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    Still I enjoyed CP3 - it's not just what he does but the effortlessness of it. Some falsly accuse him of trying to prove something or what-not but I just don't see that at all in his actions. What I do see is the guy doin his thing rather very smoothly
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  2. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I agree, he's a joy to watch, in a game where no one plays defense and you've got guys WILLING to run the floor, 15 assists is actually disappointing.

    Hell, Rondo gets that much on a real game, with old dudes and off of a half court set.
     
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    No one except kobe at the end of the game no? Block and foul on lebron...
     
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    I've played and watched and loved basketball for over 3 decades. But damn, this ASG just put me to sleep.

    The saturday challenges were a bad joke too. Can't believe I wasted my time watching 100 blown dunks.

    There have been some rip roarin' all star games in the past (I watched one game with DRob. Ewing, Jordan, Magic, Pip, Barkley, all in their prime, goin' hard at each other. It was sick.

    And what about those freaky dunks from years past: Desmond Mason, J Rich, and Vince Carter?

    This all star weekend was just pure garbage.
     
  5. TennisLovaLova

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    ^^^ you can expand that thought yo the whole league actually
    more athleticism, less fundamentals (from most players)
    That's just the way it is and it's sad
     
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    The NBA's been unwatchable for years and years and years.

    But with the demise of college basketball as a sport that fans can follow, I've tried to turn my attention to the nba.

    It's really too bad, but with the ridiculous amount of turnover in the college game and the resulting sharp decline in size and athleticism of the "top" players, the college game isn't what it once was.

    The NBA is equally bad for different reasons. The regular season is largely meaningless, the game heavily emphasizes iso's/1 on 1, and watching a handful of juiced up/'roided monsters (dwight, lebron, wade, drose?) dominate the game just seems wrong.

    Jeremy Lin was a fun story for a few weeks, but I guess I'm out of players and teams I want to cheer for.

    I love the game but not it's practitioners or the game's implementation?
     
  7. Disgruntled Worker

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    Yes. Everyone who has muscles takes steroids.
     
  8. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I bet Scottie Pippen was on steroids too, along with Karl Malone. That sort of fitness is simply unattainable through hard work and determination.
     
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    Adventure, about everything you just posted was a giant LOL.
     
  10. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Obviously Kevin Durant doesn't dominate.
     
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    He next MJ is here! JoelDali will suit up and singlehandedly save the NBA. His "post moves" are transcendant and he shares a birthday with "His Airness"!

    P.S.: Joel, brush up on your treys, the Magic could use you...4 of 25 tonight vs the vaunted Bobcat defense, including Redick's 0fer7.
     
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    When the jokes only make 29% of the dunks in a dunk contest, you know the guys in it shouldnt be there. Thats a joke. You should only get one attempt and if you miss it, youre screwed. Tossing the ball 6 and 7 times before its where you want it is embarassing.
     
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    When the biggest name to go at the trade deadline is JJ Redick then you know there's a problem.

    Though part of its on the media and people on Twitter reporting deals like they're imminent and then they don't go through.
     
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    This trade deadline was a complete dud. The best player that even got traded was Rudy Gay?!?! Says some teams are too scared to take any risks. Some of the moves were just for insurance and dumping salary. No real winners from this.
     
  16. Feña14

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    Yeah, the deadline was a bit of a let down. I was interested to see where Josh Smith would of ended up, but I didn't hold much hope when the only teams left in were the Suns and Bucks. It will be interesting to see what happens with him over the summer though.

    The Spurs looked great again tonight, they're fun to watch. I'm hoping the younger players learnt from the series with the Thunder last year and can go deeper this time.
     
  17. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    The Spurs should write a book on "How to win ball games". They're so clinical.
     
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    They just turn up to every game, it doesn't matter if it's a top team they're up against, or one with a losing record. I saw them against the Bulls a few weeks ago when all the big names were out, the younger players took their opportunity and beat a tough team in their own arena.

    I'm not counting my chickens just yet though as it was the same last year, before the wheels kind of came off in the Conference finals. I just hope the younger players learn from it and now know what it takes to perform when it really matters.
     
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    I only watch the NBA during the playoffs really but for you guys that love sports the NHL is where its at this year.

    With the 48 game season and every team playing in there own conference most of the games are 4 pt games in the standings and you can see the extra intensity in the games.

    And go Anaheim Ducks and Blackhawks!
     
  20. tennismonkey

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    starting to see some more separation in the nba. spurs and heat looked like they are ready for the playoffs. clips and bulls (with or without rose) don't look ready.
     
  21. Ronaldo

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    Pacers look great, Knicks, Meh?
     
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    Last night the Tragic were two fouls away from a situation I've never seen before...not having five guys to play! Apparently, they dressed seven after dealing four guys at the trade deadline, losing two to injuries (Davis, Nelson) and one to suspension (Turkoglu). They played the Grizzlies tough but Vukevic and Harkless fouled out, leaving them the minimum five to play.

    Does anybody know the rule imposed if the sixth foul had been rung up on one of the last five? Is it a forfeit?
     
  23. TERRASTAR18

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    you don't foul out(the fifth guy), the opposing team gets a free throw regardless of type of foul'
    from wiki-
    In the NBA and WNBA, if a team is reduced to five players and one commits a sixth foul, that player must stay in the game; one additional free throw is awarded to the opposing team. Even if there are no free throws to be awarded because of an offensive foul, the one free throw will be added irrespective of offensive or defensive foul. A one-free throw penalty will also be awarded if said team has a player who must leave the game after being injured or ejected, and has no legal substitutes; the last player to foul out rejoins the game with the one free throw penalty. Thus, no team can be reduced to four players in those leagues. This rule is how Don Otten managed to set the NBA record for personal fouls in a regular season game. He had eight fouls while playing for the Tri-Cities Blackhawks against the Sheboygan Red Skins on November 24, 1949.[3]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_foul_(basketball)#Fouling_out
     
  24. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    In all honesty, for Dwight that's progress.

    He admitted he was playing badly and cost the team wins instead of blaming everyone else.

    That's a first...lol.
     
  26. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Yeah but why would you admit that yourself? If I'm on my contract year, I'm keeping it to myself.
     
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    He is basically guaranteed a max contract regardles. It doesn't matter.
     
  28. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Anyone watching the Boston/Utah game on NBA TV? There have been a LOT of questionable calls on both sides.

    The refs are going to decide this game.
     
  29. tennismonkey

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    say chi -- i'm watching the nuggets/lakers game. the refs are doing everything in their power to "will" the lakers to a win. nuggets are up 10 with 4 minutes left. it's pretty blatant.
     
  30. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I don't know what the refs are doing in this game. They would got 6 minutes with no whistle. Then all of the sudden, there'd be 5 whistles within a minute.
     
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    Great article. Love video examples like that.

    He is playing hurt, can't reach above his head like normal with his shoulder and his back is bad. Add his extremely limited offensive game and his poor footwork and attitude and you are going to see teams expose him more and more if they make the playoffs.

    As good as we were with Dwight, I also felt like we would never win a title unless we got a star wing. He just was so easy to shut down. The pistons did it every year, then the Celtics. Only time we got past them, they did not have Garnett (who mastered defending dwight).

    I watch Vucivic, who is still developing, and his offensive game is miles ahead of Dwights. He displays incredible touch, scores from both blocks, keeps the ball high, can shoot from 12 feet out..and he is only in his second year. But he is doing the things a C has to do to be a scoring threat.

    I don't think Dwight will ever develop those skills. Add to the fact that his back possibly will never get better, and honestly, I feel sorry for the Lakers if they give him a max deal. The truth it, with all those question marks, he will STILL most likely get a max deal this summer.

    I think the best situation for him is to go play next to Dirk in Dallas if he wants to win a ring. That is the ultimate pairing. Mayo is a very nice SG, and Dirk is an incredible player. It already worked with Tyson Chandler, who basically is a poor man's D12.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, Mayo's a FA after this year too though. The problem for any team that signs Dwight to a max deal would be getting those pieces to surround him with. On paper it isn't like LA is that bad of a fit.

    You say he needs a star wing...well there is that Kobe guy out in LA who's still pretty good. Replace Gasol with a true stretch 4 to fit Dantoni's scheme, add some depth, and they could do work next year. Dwight's gotta get healthier and hold up his end of the bargain though.

    EDIT: Mayo has a player option. He could always opt out and try to get more money on the FA market, I would love to see him in Chicago.
     
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    D12's strength always was his defense and his Achilles heel has been the charity stripe brickitosis. Until he can regain his defensive mobility and conquer his atrocious FT-shooting, he will be a liability in any lineup.
     
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    I was talking about the Magic though. Im not talking about LA, which runs a different scheme then what the Magic did. Orlando built the entire offense around Dwight. It was too easy to crowd the 3 point shooters since we did not have a star wing that could create his own shot. If LA gets the stretch 4, than they will be running a similar scheme and it will help for sure.....if Dwight is healthy like you said.

    I am pretty sure Dallas has a ton of expirings and will be able to resign Mayo if he opts out and get Dwight (if dwight wants to play there and take a financial loss). Dirk, OJ, Dwight is really nice on paper. I'd take it over Kobe and Dwight because Kobe and Dwight just don't have any chemistry. Of course, Dwight has never had much chemistry with anyone. He is not exactly the most liked guy in the league.

    Dwight is in the same boat as LBJ was a a free agent. I am pretty sure LBJ took a paycut to play in Miami, but he rebuilt his image when he won a title. I personally think Dwight next to Dirk would be optimal for him to win a title. Even more than Kobe.
     
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    Noel expected back by October. This is good.
     
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    Derrick Rose still not playing nearly 11 months after his ACL injury...every rehab is different.
     
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    11 blocks triple double by noah...
     
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    Ben McLemore looking like a top lottery pick...very impressive game for KU vs WVU today. There would be a little Jayhawk connection between him and Vaughn in Orlando.
     
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    Every dog has it's day.
    SteffanCurry with 50, then goes 6 for 18 the next game.
    Sounds like MontaEllis to me.
    Celtics didn't even have to guard him on most of his misses.
     
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    I'd rather have Marcus Smart or Noel. We have no inside Defense.
     
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    I like Smart...a Deron Williams-sized PG with hopefully more durability than Jameer. Has to improve his outside shot, which McLemore already has as a weapon.

    Granted, there's need for some inside "D" but Vuk has to step up there along with Tobias Harris (very good pickup) and Nicholson.

    Taking Noel on crutches is a reach...roll the Grant Hill signing footage.
     
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    Don't use Jameer Nelson as a measuring stick for durability, it doesn't say much. :)
     
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    We aren't taking Noel unless our new team of Docs (the ones who passed on Bynum) approve. This will be nothing like the Grant Hill situation, especially since it is a guy on a rookie contract.

    I just think Noel (if the magic like his progress in June) is a no brainer. You let him sit as long as he needs until he is ready to go. We are going to suck one more year anyway. It's a good thing because if we will have these new guys developed by 2014, and that draft is going to be amazing. We want the highest pick possible in it. That is where we get our star wings in the draft and FA as well.

    I like Smart over Ben Mac because I feel it fills an immediate need at PG. I also think Smart could be a star player. He has that super aggressive work ethic and is just a beast out there.

    But then I think about a healed up Noel out there next to Vuc with Nicholson and Oquinn coming off the bench and it would just be an amazing frontcourt. We need a shotblocker really badly. Noel is the king, plus his rebounding is awesome. Vuc will provide the offense down low and Noel can slowly develop that while providing immediate shot blocking.

    It will be fun to see what the Magic decide. I am really enjoying this season even though we are awful. Harris was an absolute steal for JJ (since he was leaving anyway).

    If Harris can play more time at PF, then Noel is maybe not worth the risk..I think we take Smart. I could go either way obviously..lol. Both are really perfect fits for us.
     
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    Curry's a lot better shooter than Ellis, and a lot smarter of a player. Ellis is just a pure chucker, plain and simple.
     
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    It seems like each class churns out an elite PGs lately. Erving and now Lillard is looking like he will be one.
     
  48. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Ellis is a poor man Kobe Byrant, however, I still think he's the king as far as getting snubbed as an All Star.

    Having said that, Ellis is a black hole for the basketball.
     
  49. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Magic and the ESPN crew is putting up the money to get LeBron James to get into the next dunk contest.

    I don't know if that's going to happen, cause it's the ESPN crew. They called out the TNT guys and what's happened since?
     
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    One of the unfortunate realities of the NBA continues to be how San Antonio is basically the only small market team that is consistently title-relevant. These guys have had a legit shot for decades.

    No other team is able to say that today. OKC may be able to say it one day, given how great yet young Durant is.

    I would like Denver to have a shot at even one title. As fun as they are to watch, it doesn't seem likely at all until they acquire a go to scorer, which is just how playoff basketball is won.
     

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