NBA 2012-2013 Discussion, keep it classy

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  1. volleygirl

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    They didnt "miss" the call, it was done to try and make sure the Lakers get into the playoffs. Having all those 15+ million dollar a year players on their team isnt enough, they also need the refs just to make the dam playoffs.
     
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    No, nba refs are just incompetent. Nothing more nothing less.
     
  3. Fifth Set

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    I don't think there is an ounce of doubt that it's more. There is obvious and painful favoritism to the home teams, major market teams and marquee players.

    The most basic data on this appears in the new standings every morning. The gap between home records and road records is ridiculous. Now, I understand how the league wants to make the fans who paid absurd amounts to see that particular game go home happy. But lets not pretend that the officiating was balanced, merely incompetent or that the bad calls "even out over the course of a game."

    Either repair the NBA officiating or call it what it is - rigged.

    Doesn't mean it's not entertaining or fun to watch. My dad used to love watching pro wrestling even though he knew who would win each time. But folks who bet money on NBA games without understanding this problem are throwing money away.
     
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    Donaghy thinks youre naive.

    You honestly think if the Twolves were the ones on defense on that play and Kobe was shooting, that nothing would have been called?
     
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    Star players get calls. Same thing happens in the nfl.

    @volleygirl: donaghy was 10 years ago now. So the nba fixes la so they can get in and lose inevitably? They aren't beating San Antonio anyways.
     
  6. Fifth Set

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    Which means that it's certainly more than incompetence. Incompetence is being blind, not knowing the rules, etc.

    Giving star players the calls is corrupt.
     
  7. volleygirl

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    Exactly. and its mindboggling that anyone argues it
     
  8. volleygirl

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    Which series gets higher tv ratings? Spurs vs Utah or Spurs vs Lakers?
     
  9. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    TV ratings or not, I'm not so sure the Spurs want to see the Lakers in the 1st round. I don't think anyone does?
     
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    The Lakers are beyond beatable right now. They haven't clicked through 60+ games, what makes people think they'll turn it on now?

    NBA officiating is bad. Bad calls happen every night in every game, whether its a game between Charlotte/TOronto or marquee teams. It doesn't rise to the level of corruption because it's so consistently bad. Not like it's perfect when 2 no names play but then blown calls only benefit star teams.
     
  11. Disgruntled Worker

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    What's the point of complaining about the calls in the NBA? It's not like this is anything new; refs blowing calls. If any poster here could do better send David Stern your application and wait for a call back. It's not as simple as hack vs not hack, traveling vs. not traveling. The NBA reviews every single call of every single game and gives this select group of officials - some of whom have worked for more than 30 years - evaluations every week or so. How easy is it to sit on your couch and say: "He's blind. That was an OBVIOUS foul!" There's a huge difference between seeing it on television from an ideal angle with multiple replays and seeing in real time, with the crowd noise, and numerous other factors. If we had replacement refs, we'd be BEGGING for the real guys to show up within one week, just like in the NFL.
     
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    Nuggets and Heat both restart their win streaks but Denver's win vs a good Nets crew was the more impressive...Lawson sat again but Karl punched a rookie's number and Evan Fournier did some damage in the best game of his young career (19 points).
     
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    Its awesome to hear from someone who never even saw Michael Jordan play chime in on the referreeing in the NBA. Since you never even saw Jordan play I doubt you even know who Tim Donaghy is.
     
  14. Fifth Set

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    Watched almost all of this game and think that Denver's defense is underrated. Their quick, lanky forwards are hard to beat off the dribble, which keeps teams out of the paint. Need to improve defense of the 3 though, which hurt the Nuggets in San Antonio.

    Not yet sure about Fournier. Had a great game, but still too slow getting the ball up the court.

    Can't fathom how the team allowed Lawson's foot to be misdiagnosed. So much for pro athletes getting the best medical care available!
     
  15. Andyroddickfan

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    Is there any correlation between watching jordan play and knowing Tim donaghy? Pretty weak argument seeing as donaghy was national news. Also love how you pick one ref out of the thousands who have worked for the nba. "Yo dude, all people who live in this community are liars. Why man? Because one person is a liar!!"
     
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    Fournier is a natural SG who may get extra minutes on the point as a reserve for Miller until Lawson heals. Karl is also thinking about going bigger...pairing AI and Brewer in the backcourt is one option mentioned.

    I really hope they can take the West bit they may be a year or so off. The Manimal/LBJ matchup would be a classic!
     
  17. Fifth Set

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    Thanks, I was wondering about this because he looks a little too eager to get rid of the ball as soon as he crosses half-court.

    What's your guess as to how long Lawson is out? As we know from tennis, plantar fascia problems can last a long time. I'm concerned that they will try to keep him "fresh" for the playoffs, but lose a top 4 seed in the process.
     
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    It could be the wise decision to bring him back slowly...they may lose the battle but have a better chance to win the war. Karl's statements show he's willing to experiment with different combos to keep Miller fresh until Lawson is ready.
     
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    Anyone watching SA/Heat? Lebron, Wade, and Chalmers are out. And Bosh wins it with a trey
     
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    Bosh made 3 3's on the night. I think thats a personal best.

    Riley repayed SA for ealier when Pops sat half the team.
     
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    Anyone watching the Griz/Spurs tonite? Cap'n Jack in the house. How bout Mike Conley????
     
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  22. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Pacers are showing everyone why the Clippers are not true contenders. Their half court sucks.

    You just can't throw the ball into Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan for easy buckets. And when their 3's aren't going down, Chris Paul can play hero ball all he wants and get his 30points, but they still won't go far.

    And Matt Barnes is always sore.
     
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  23. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    And hero ball lost to slow and steady.
     
  24. volleygirl

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    To all those who think the refs are above reproach, what do you have to say about the Ed Rush story? Hes the current head of officiating in the PAC 12, was the former head of officiating in the NBA, and is currently in hot water for telling the other refs in the PAC 12 during the PAC 12 tournamant that "anyone who gives Sean Miller a tech gets either $5,000 or a trip to Cancun." During the AZ-UCLA game Miller was given his first tech OF THE SEASON while the game was very much in doubt. To think these guys just "miss" calls is crazy.
     
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    'Melo torches Heat with a full nickel as the Knicks take down Miami without LBJ , Wade and Chalmers. The Knicks and Pacers keep jockeying for the second spot in the East playoff ladder...this win could be key in that battle.
     
  26. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    So... are you saying that the Heat would rather play the Knicks than the Pacers in the Eastern Conference Finals? :)
     
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    The relevance is the first-round matchup...if the season ended today the #2 would get the Celtics and the #3 would face the Bulls. Thib's knack for ramping up the "D" in a playoff series is a dangerous obstacle.
     
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    The same bulls just lost to the wiz last night and are walking wounded. No Noah, bellineli, Hamilton, and rose of course. Can't bet on them to go far imo.
     
  29. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I'd take Hamilton out of that list, the dude's been broken for pretty much the whole year, so he's not making much of a difference.
     
  30. Andyroddickfan

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    Once you can prove that 40% of all refs are corrupted you may have an argument. Why do you hate refs so much anyways? Until you have these facts and proof you have nothing. Just a conspiracy that everything is fixed.
     
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    WHAT??? You cant be that big a dunce. You need 40% of the refs to be crooked for there to be a problem? You must have never played any sport at any real level to not realize that just one ref can dicate the outcome if hes crooked. If youre that big of an idiot, theres no reason to even respond to you. 40%? Shhhhh
     
  32. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    You guys are not keeping it classy...
     
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    Do you think that there isnt a problem with the refs unless you can prove that at least 40% of them are crooked? I just cant believe anyone would actually say something that crazy.
     
  34. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    No I agree, I have a big problems with refs "deciding" the outcome of the game in late game situations. For example, the would-be spectacular play at the end of that Mavs/Clippers game about a week ago. Minimum contact, maximum flopping, and Blake Griffin got called for an offensive foul on a made basket. If the ref is going to make that call, then s/he has to make that same call consistently. Rubio got fouled at least once in the final seconds of that Mavs/Lakers game. Yeah MAYBE Kobe's swipe was questionable in real time, but Dwight smacked the back of Rubio's head, and it moved. I don't understand why how they could have missed that. Again, late game situations decided by the refs.

    I'm just saying, there's no need to go after another member for explanation. Although the other dude has shown a tendency for such behavior.
     
  35. stringertom

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    Down night for 'Melo...only goes for 40 @the ATL on the back end of the nickel vs. the Heat. He's en fuego!
     
  36. Andyroddickfan

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    I just said, if you can find that 40% of refs are corrupt you may have an argument. You go bananas after a convicted felon says other refs are doing it too. He's guilty, he's going to say whatever he wants so he can write his stupid book. Donaghy, one guy you can prove fixed games. All other stuff he said, can't be proven. Buddy from sec, very bad. It's proven. Give guy a tech go to Bahamas. Simple. Proven. 2 refs. All you have. I was obviously exaggerating with 40%, like you do when talking about corrupt refs. Also, every sport I have played has been either competitive or university team.
     
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    I don't like conspiracy theories either so how about we look at some objective data. The standings are published every morning on various web-pages, including the NBAs own site.

    As of today, the number of teams with a better road record than home record: Zero. None. Nada. Not a one.

    What's your explanation for this factual data? That these world class athletes who travel lavishly, often with their own jets, top notch trainers, five star hotels, etc. are too tired by the time they get to the road arenas? Perhaps each arena's floor is a radically different shape, size or some have a significant slope to them? Perhaps the basketball hoops are more shaped like octagons in certain cities? Perhaps the local hotels are poisoning the food of the visiting team?!

    Hmmmmm.

    I'm afraid that those who don't understand the NBA's bias in officiating (make the home ticket buyers happy, protect the stars who sell the most merchandise, etc.) are the real conspiracy theorists.
     
  38. Andyroddickfan

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    This happens every year. So every year the commish tells the refs to try and let home teams win so they have a better home record than road. Ok. Just because you travel in good quality does not mean its not affecting you. You play a game that day. Finish at midnight. Fly 4 hours. Arrive at destination at 4am. Sleep. Practice. Jet lag. Play at 10 eastern that night. You think it's 1 eastern. (East to west travel). You didn't recover properly. Cramped in a plane, no ice bath. Your drained physically and mentally. Fans arent supporting you. When was the last time an nba team had a better road record than home? That's the better question. In every sport the home team wins more than 50% of the time. Holy crap!! Every league has refs favor home teams!! It's a conspiracy!! Sports as we know it is ruined!! Also the best teams still have a positive win percentage on the road.
     
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    Also teams often play back to back night on the road, which also explains it somewhat.
     
  40. Fifth Set

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    Better to admit the obvious late than never, I guess. This is corruption. It's entertaining corruption, but it's still corruption.

    Now, back to Denver-Dallas. Go Nuggets!
     
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    So what number should it be then? Name the teams that should have a better road record than home record.

    On Inside the NBA, when a role player has a breakout game, Kenny Smith will ask if that player's game will travel. His observation is that bit players will usually play better at home than away. If the home bench plays better and the away bench plays worse, that would suggest that teams will have a better chance winning at home.
     
  42. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Initial examinations suggest a torn ACL for Gallo. :( The knee did buckle and bent the other way...
     
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    Also, like I said earlier on, the best teams still have more wins than losses on the road. If the best teams had more losses than wins on the road that might raise eyebrows. Home court advantage: proven with stats.
     
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    Bulls are Jekyll and Hyde.

    Beat the Heat. Lose to the Wiz.
     
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    That is a shame..ugh!! He is a key piece of Denver's team.
     
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    PP, one guy who may be wroth the top pick in the draft who I havent heard anyone talking about is the big man for Louisville. Gorgui Dieng looks more like the real deal than Noel even did before tearing up his knee.
     
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    I think the Magic would grab a guy like him or a PG like Burke if they can trade down. If they draft #1, they will take Noel unless their docs get nervous. I trust Rob and our docs..they passed on Bynum, everyone made fun of us, and now all the writers say we won that trade.
     
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    Dieng is a nice player (along with UL's guards).

    The New York Knickerbockers - still hanging ... still keepin' it classy.

    Sorry to hear that about Gallo. That's a fun team to watch.

    Go Lakers .....yawwn..


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    So many late-season injuries throughout the association...I'm wondering if it's a delayed hangover from the shortened '11-'12 schedule???
     
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