NBA 2012-2013 Discussion, keep it classy

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  1. hollywood9826

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    Dont talk about the Spurs please. Just let them lay low under the radar please. Thank you :)


    The Spurs of the early Duncan era were slow methodical teams. Somehow they have held onto that mantle becuse they dont play the one on one matchup game like most teams. They are incredibly efficient and dont have tons of highlight reels dunks. But I agree they are not boring. Anyone that says so just wants to watch Blake Griffin brick 8 footers and throw down putback dunks all day.



    Weight is important however. With all that stuff you mentioned (which I agree with) part of D is also preventing your man from getting to the spot on the floor he wants to. It easier to keep a man at bay when he can just push through you. And it works that way on Offense as well. Most small guys cant get to rim and finish with a high percentage. Hardens height and size over the rest of guys we have mentioned alows him to do that.
     
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    The big hold up with the Harden contract. OKC already have Durant and Westbrook locked up. From what I read a team can only have 2 players on those 5 year deals. So OKC max deal could only have been 4 years. Add into the cap hit OKC would have lost all flexibilty.

    And Im not even sure Harden really wated to stay there. Most players are not happy playing the 6th man role for the entierty of a cereer. I would in his position want a chance to prove myself as a starter. And maybe he was tired of Westbrooks gunning.
     
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    Is there anyone out there who thinks Torontos DeMar DeRozan is anywhere near worth the 4 yr 40 million dollar deal he just got? An absolutely horrible offer for this guy IMO.
     
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    It's 38mm a year to be exact. To win in the NBA you have to have wing talent, and I think Derozan is worth 9.5 a year.
     
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    Who else is willing to play in T.? DeRozan puts some people in the seats, that's why he got that money. It's good to be black and athletic ;)... or 7+ feet tall.
     
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    He's still a young guy with time to develop into an elite wing player. I think they're signing based off of the potential he's shown and not wanting to lose him for nothing. Not the worst deal ever.

    OKC messed up by locking down Perkins to a big deal. Especially since Nick Collison looks better than him at most times and is costing them far less. A friend of mine brought this up, they should have amnestied Perk this offseason and had plenty of room to resign Harden.
     
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    OKC still established the blueprint for dealing with a star player who wants to leave so props for that. It sucks to lose Harden, but they decided he wanted too much. So to get Martin, Lamb and a draft pick just keeps them ultra deep and easily in contention now for years.

    I would rather have Harden than Westbrook as well, but Westbrook is a stud player. He just makes boneheaded plays sometimes, but he also was a key factor in their playoff run.

    It is about impossible to have a big 3 AND depth. The Heat have the closest thing possible, but no bigs. If they win it again this year with no size inside, then in a way it will be a good thing because the NBA will continue to evolve into a league based on athleticism and skill over height.
     
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    Thoughts on OKC arguably getting more for Harden then ORL got for Dwight?
     
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    Once the Nets bailed on Howard ORL was kinda handcuffed and just dealt him away.

    Basically ORl did this.

    Traded Going: Dwight Howard, Chris Duhon, Earl Clark (to Lakers); Jason Richardson (to 76ers)


    for

    Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, first-round pick in 2014, second-round pick in 2013 (from Nuggets); Nikola Vucevic, Moe Harkless, conditional first-round pick (from 76ers); Josh McRoberts, Christian Eyenga, conditional first-round pick in 2017, conditional second-round pick in 2015 (from Lakers)

    So Howard, Duhon, Clark for three 1st rounders 2 2d rounders Afflalo, Harrington, Vucevic, Harkless, McRoberts, and Eyenga. But one of those first rounders are in 2017 and two of them are conditional which probably puts them uot of the top 5 range or something.

    Bascially you traded Howard for five picks hoping two work out, some cap flexability and Afflalo (who is pretty good)

    OKC Trade Harden, Aldrich, Cook, and Lazar Hayward for.

    Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, two 1st rounders and a second. 2d round flips are coin flips most of the time. 1st rounders are not much differrent.

    But I actually may like the Harden deal better. The Howard deal was only two more picks (one 1st one 2d). and even though are tons of players its not like they are anygood.

    But Howard left the Magic zero leverage (basically saying he would not sign an extension) to do anything at all. So its not a huge surprsie. Im sure the Rockets had some agreement with Harden in place before they signed off on the trade knowing they could get him long term.
     
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    Yes, Dwight made it harder to get a fair deal by saying he would not sign an extension with anyone except brooklyn. So HOU was not going to offer that protected pick AND take back our bad contracts which was key.

    I like what Hennigan did because we have so much flexibility. People forget we have an 18mm TPE. That's seriously a large bargaining chip..we have a potential stud wing in Harkless, a young developing starter in Vujevic and a great character guy in Aflalo who was brought in to replace JJ.

    So now we can trade JJ and Harrington since they are both attractive pieces and have very cap friendly contracts.

    Basically my point is that it is tough to compare the trades since Harden was far better about the situation then our diva.
     
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  11. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    What's wrong with that picture?
     
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  12. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Knicks/Heat 11-2-12: The game of mis-match, I just saw Jason Kidd checking Rashard Lewis.
     
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  13. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Carmelo Anthony blew by Rashard Lewis twice in the same possession... That's not a good look Lewis.
     
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  14. pepka

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    Bobcats won a game :twisted:
    Harden is still balling (OKC will regret giving Perkins and Ibaka that much money)
    Edit: Mike Brown is trash. He's playing Pau and Kobe 40+ mins. He plays Morris (worst pg in the league... and he tries him at the SG spot -> LOL), he runs a backcourt of Morris and Blake, he forces Jamison to play at the 3 and he keeps Lakers best shooter (Meeks) on the bench again. Dude is clueless. Lakers are going to have to win in spite of Mike Brown...
    And yeah, Pau is soft and MWP still sucks.
     
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    We won..dwight lost..i know its early in the season, but it feels nice :)
     
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    Ditto, but we lost Turk for a while and SF is not deep right now...three guard offense might be required while Jones and Harkless mend and mature.
     
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    Yeah i hope to see moe soon, but im thinking lots of afflalo and jj on the wings tomorrow.
     
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  18. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I feel for Kobe, 3 games in, score 25+, and the media is asking him what's wrong...
     
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    As TV commentators say, Lakers are vulnerable to quick fast teams who take advantage of the Laker's big slow guys. Artest lost his step, along with the whole starting 5.
    Harden sure is making some of us look like chumps.
    Can you believe Clipper's second string? Almost a near allstar 5.
    When is DerekRose ready to play?
     
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    How does a team defend the alley opp pass into the post? Seems like teams can do that all day, with the spring of the 2 guards thru power forwards.
    I can see boxing a center out, unless they're slippery quick, but forwards who shoot 3's force the defender out of the box, and both small and bigs coming thru from opposing sides, and 2 guards (some of whom are 6'8" besides Durant) slashing after a pick, who can defend that play?
    Just watched the GSWarriors get killed by Gay slashing to the hoop.
    The center draws the defense out by staying atop the foul line, the box is now empty.
     
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    Well, since the National Hockey League is still on strike I guess I have to follow pro basketball now (groan)! Heard Steve Nash is out for a while-bummer!
     
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  23. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    That's why I have Clippers in the Western Conference Finals. :)

    I think this season is a lost for Derek Rose, for those of us who has come back from major injury/surgery, you know the first few months of the return is brutally tough. Just because you're cleared by the doctor, it doesn't mean you're in game shape because of the long lay-off. There's the mental aspect too, the injury, how you injured it, and etc. will creep into your mind when you make your moves.

    On top of that, there's a good chance the Chicago Bulls may not even make it to the Playoffs. Or, it doesn't have a realistic chance of making it out of the 1st round, is it still worth it to bring Derek Rose back and risk his future for returning too soon?
     
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    By the looks of the Adidas commercial, it appears there's more than just the Bulls involved with Rose's earliest possible return to action. Lots of $$$ involved.
    Can Harden really score like he has the first two games? Or will reality set in soon?
    Can Westbrook really run about helterskelter? And actually make it work to the benefit of the Thunder?
    What became of old man Duncan?
    Do the Heat care at all this early in the ballgame?
    I'd ask the same about the Lakers, but they are REALLY in disarray.
    Lots of talk about Denver being a 5th seed. Really, with no stars?
     
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  25. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Warriors are resting Andrew Bogut for a night. Are you serious?! Andrew Bogut is going to rest when Kevin Garnett and other aging big men are playing day in and day out.

    This doesn't look good for the Warriors.
     
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    Disagree here. I know it's only 2 games, but Noah looks like he's stepping up and taking his game to an All Star level, Boozer (ugh) has looked decent even though hes a lame duck, Rip actually showing up this year, Deng still solid, and Hinrich/Nate Robinson both holding down the point well. Chicago is still a top 4 team in the East. If anything when Rose comes back they can bring him along slowly and play him 20 mins a night. But Rinesdorf already has said he won't bring Rose back if he's anything less than 100%, so they won't rush him for just one year. They know it's long term as far as looking out for his health.

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/stor...o-bulls-derrick-rose-rushed-back-knee-surgery

    Just looked at the box score from tonight - Boozer still stinks, Hinrich is banged up, but I still say we'll be top 4 in the East. Certainly won't miss the playoffs though. Tough game off a back to back.

    Bogut's injury prone with a capital I. I don't see the big deal. Pops does the same w/ Duncan Parker and Ginobili.
     
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    It makes sense to rest Duncan and company because they're older, but the Spurs don't rest them until late in the season.

    We're a week into the season... -.-
     
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  29. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    In case you guys haven't been keeping up with off-season news, but NBA is cracking down on flopping and the games are more entertaining.

    1) Of the few games I've seen, I'm seeing more fast breaks because players are busy flopping and the refs aren't blowing the whistle, except for the Lakers of course (NO fast breaks in Lakers land).

    2) It's funny to see players flying around and getting bounced left and right. It's like every other possession, there are bodies flying around, onto the floor, but no stoppage in play.
     
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    Pops rested them last year even when they had an 11 gm streak going. And he rested them in Feb, March, April, doesn't matter. Usually coming off back to backs, or w/ last yrs schedule 3 games in 3 nights or 3 games in 4 nights.
     
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    We have a strong chance at starting the season 2-0 since we play phoenix tonight.

    I honestly think we could contend for the 8 spot in the playoffs, but i am not sure if that is necessarily the best way to rebuild.
     
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    I don't mind them being rested, they're one of the deepest teams in the league in my opinion. I enjoy seeing Splitter, Blair, Mills etc.. getting more playing time, they're more than good enough in my opinion. Every Spur has Pop's system entrenched in them so you don't even notice the big players missing as much.
     
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    Clips must be really bored to allow GS to win one off them. And GS without Bogut or Rush.
     
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    I cant believe how good vaughn is as a coach. He was a dark horse candidate when the job was supposed to go to shaw, but this is really impressive.

    We went on a 31-8 run after being down 12 and just dominated. Pretty amazing considering we have no star player or go to scorer.

    The city loves this team so much more than i thought they would. I know dwight is the best center in the world, and we now have to rebuild but im so glad that jerk is gone.
     
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    Another bad game from Westbrook - 14pts, 5-18 shooting vs Durant 22 pts, 7-17 shooting. Kevin Martin dropped 28 but OKC loses at home to ATL.
     
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  36. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I'm going to make a bold prediction for the OKC:

    Whenever Westbrook shoots more than 15x, they're likely to lose.
     
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    Lakers treating the Pistons like a D League team, which they basically are. :lol:

    Kobe had 8 assists in the 1st half, has been more efficient with his shooting which everyone is ignoring amidst the 0-3 hullabaloo. Even Metta World Peace making shots. :shock:
     
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    So... Lakers finally won a game (first in over 5 months) and all i can think of is HOW BAD Mike Brown realy is. Dude is clueless, statsheet reading moron. Can't stand him. His rotations and minute management are freakin RETARDED. Can't wait for a day he gets a boot.
     
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    Mike Brown is pretty bad. Does he make it the whole season? Who do the lakers have as the other coaches. Is Chuck person still there? Would they even give him the interim job if they did fire Brown?

    Maybe Brown put weak coaches around him on purpose so they wouldnt fire him at mid season.
     
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    And this is the reaction when they WIN a game? It's an 82 game season for gods sake. LA looked good, granted it was the Pistons, but ppl are still calling for MB's head? You would think they lost the game or only won by 3 and looked bad, but they didn't. People must really hate the Lakers that much, I guess. :?
     
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    Brown is garbage. He s**** his pants at home up 20 vs. one of the worst teams in the league...

    This is why he plays the starters 40 minutes a night and will continue to do so because the dude has no backbone. When Lakers play the good teams, they won't be killing them like the lowly Pistons. If you can't get your s*** together in a win like last night, what the hell are you going to do when the s*** hits the fan?.....

    Play the starters 40 plus minutes, make no adjustments because you don't know what the hell to do, can't be a leader if you're scared to lose to the Pistons up 30.....

    Great way to show the players you are a complete joke. How are they supposed to respect a man that crumbles in a game that is decidedly won after the 1st quarter? HE NEEDS TO GO:evil:

    This vid says it all (Kobe was in as well at the same posession)...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZF-nWv5PvI
     
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    And if they blow that lead because their bench sucks (and I'm guessing MB knows that) then what? Who's getting the blame for NOT putting the starters back in? LA has no bench, so of course the starters will get more run. It's 3 games into the season with almost an entirely new roster, so of course he's trying to figure out the rotations and what works/what doesn't.
     
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    If i was like You (not a Lakers fan by any stretch of an imagination) i would be content with Brown as well. No way in hell you play your injured stars in a blowout win in the 4Q. It didn't work that well for Rose, didn't it?
     
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    You're right I'm wrong. MB can't win with armchair critics like you trying to run him out of town. Kobe said it best the other day.
     
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    When you have Antawn Jamison coming off your bench, the bench doesn't suck.

    I'm glad Lakers won their first game just so the media would shut up about the slow start.

    I will say this, the Lakers cannot play Kobe 40+ minutes on a consistent basis. Yes, he can put up this kind of minutes, but they should save him for later in the season when they're playing for seeding, and the playoffs.
     
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    Jamison is 36 and hasn't been good since he left the Wizards. Compare Lakers bench to the likes of San Antonio and the Clippers and its not even close.
     
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    MB has a track record that would lead you to believe that it will be a disappointing season for the Lakers. They only have a small window left of Kobe being good enough to win a title with him. If the teams goal is to win this year and next I dont think Brown is the right coach.
     
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    Yeah but he is still performing at a high level.

    Also, this year's Lakers bench is the best it's been in a while.
     
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    If Chris Duhon sees any minutes, you have a bad bench.

    THE worst player in the NBA.
     
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    AndreisBeidrin makes 11 mil for 4 years, has hands of stone, can't ever pass, scores 6 points a game, with 5 rebounds, and is a career 43% freethrow shooter.
     

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