Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Say Chi Sin Lo, Oct 30, 2012.
Why is Parker sitting down?
Why is Ginobili doing a 360 pass from underneath the basket!?
Popovic should have taken Ginobili out a long time ago.
Heat take it all!!!!!
Bad, bad decisions by Manu down the stretch. One lousy 360º pass and a rush trey airball.
Duncan will have nightmares with that tip shot to tie the game.
Congrats Miami, a worthy champion.
Wonder who will join them next yr?
Spurs are a class act top to bottom. What a series.
In the clutch, LeBron was outstanding, and Ginobili wasn't up to par.
What a series.
What a final game.
Duncan and Parker demonstrated this season that they have PLENTY left in the tank.
But when you end the season with a lost in a Game 7 of the Finals, you really didn't do a whole lot of things wrong.
Great season Spurs, and thanks for showing the rest of the league how to play basketball. I still remember that regular season game against the Heat where they sat everyone out, and almost won that game.
Spurs choked this away. Should've hit those ft's and grabbed that rebound in game 6 and played smarter down the stretch in game 7
Or they should have fouled in the final possession when they were up 3.
Ginobili looked tired in game six, he hasn't played much and isn't ready for playoff games back to back.
He would have been fresh for game seven tonight.
Congrats to Heat fans.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a rematch next year.
Many questions, Bulls with Rose back, contenders? Can the Pacers continue to make strides?
The Spurs, the Thunder, anybody else?
Looking forward immensely to Rose's return.
Meanwhile, Wade seriously needs to get his knees looked at and fixed during the off season. You can't go through an entire season with everyone questioning his knees.
I'll pay attention to anything but Lakers and Dwight Howard during the off season.
It is time for the Man Of Steel to arrive!!!
One of the best series finals series in recent times.
Say Chi Sin Lo, you might as well get the next thread going already seeing as the draft is coming up soon.
I wonder what Kevin Garnett has to say now about Ray Allen joining the Heat, winning his 2nd title, while he's trying to bail to the Clippers with Doc Rivers...sounds like hypocrisy to me.
I'll jump on it.
Happy to see the heat win! Game 6 and 7 were the best back to back games in a series I've seen. Lebron played dominant tonight and more vintage dwade!
Lets not forget the foul that wasn't called on Ginobli with 1.9 seconds left in game 6! Notice my sarcasm.
Gutted, proud of the Spurs though. Not many people gave them a chance before the series.
Bill Simmons censored just as he's about to question Lebron's 'decision':
Censorship, rigging, david stern's fake retirement, is there anything about the NBA which ISN'T corrupt?!?
Not like we care about your opinions.
The key of this series was Tony Parker's ankle.
Otherwise, the Spurs would have won in 5.
Sport is cruel sometimes, but congrats to the Heat, the best money can get.
I wouldn't say all that. SA wasn't a heavy underdog by any means, and played like the better team the majority of the series. Just blew our when it mattered most.
Did SA have a back up point guard? Ever time I watch Neal or Greene handle the ball it was like watching them handle a hot potato.
greene, manu, and parker were terrible last night. and the spurs still had a shot (two actually by duncan) to tie it in the final minute.
LOL! Ya, because dwade's knee was 100%. Otherwise, the heat would of won in 5.
There was nothing wrong with bosh's knees yet he was scoreless in game 7. Same with Ray Allen. The heat were -50 with wade on the floor.
The "big three" is largely a placebo effect. Lebron was able to win 65 games with the cavs and with the heat. But he didn't believe he could win in cleveland. It points to his lack of psychological strength, although his physical talent should've been sufficient to lead even the motley crue cavs to a title.
And the series was rigged.
Is it the 1st time you're posting here?
Because I said (before the finals) that dwade was out of form because of his knee and that lebron couldnt win the series on his own so the heat needed wade to score more.
Bosh likes to deferr to the James/Wade combo, something he's good at doing, and is good for the team.
He was the featured star for Toronto, but is happy being 4th option for a championship winning team. The team is happy with his unselfish play.
Maybe they can change the rules for next year and let them run with the ball even further
I have an idea....
Let them run with the ball all they want.
Let the defense tackle the guy with the ball.
Maybe play it on grass, so it won't hurt so much to fall.
Maybe add some pads and a helmet.
What I loved about Chris Bosh in the Finals was that he played so much like Bill Russell. Unselfish, powerful defense, rebounding, occasional shots. He didn't go for too much and just let the game come to him.
Not sure if I agree completely about that. I thought he played pretty good team/help defense. But I'm sorry, Tim Duncan at the ancient age of 37 (ESPECIALLY old for a big man) took him to school.
I wonder is Miami is going to sign Greg Oden, they need a big strong ugly guy. Otherwise I can see both Bulls and Pacers having a big chance of beating them. This is coming from a huge Miami fan.
P. S. Anyone who thinks it was rigged needs to stop doing drugs, unless Ray Allen put magnets on the ball to make that three go in to save the Heat in game 6
Greg Oden is made of glass dude. Even if he manages to keep both his knees healthy, he lost FOUR YEARS of NBA-level experience since getting drafted.
And to your second point, I can understand the whole Tim Donaghy situation and people being suspicious about the league. But you still have 4 other officials and 10 players that have to PLAY the game. The NBA is VERY strict about maintaining the integrity of their league. Every call of every game is reviewed and to even BECOME a referee requires years and sometimes decades of officiating experience in high school and college. Not saying it doesn't happen. But show me some HARD EVIDENCE of cheating within the last 6-7 years. Otherwise get the hell out of here!
Dude don't be so naive. The officials can manage every aspect of the game with calls or non-calls.
If a lead starts to balloon, the officials can start to call fouls a little tighter when the leading team is playing d. Or, they might be whistled for a charge on offense, instead of the trailing team receiving a blocking call.
Every shot is contested with some contact; in this grey area, officials have immense power in deciding what is a 'foul' or not.
This goes on over the course of 48 minutes: teams that play aggressive defense may accumulate a lead early, then get whistled for the same non-calls in the fourth quarter.
It is very easy to manage games in this way, and it happens all of the time. This is rarely discussed. What's discussed are the most blatant examples of rigging, ie lakes vs sac, the heat's first title, and so on.
Add to that, the system of 'star calls' where superstars almost always receive the benefit of the doubt. On the opposite end of the spectrum, some players have nearly zero leeway in even speaking to a ref (iverson, rasheed).
The ball in the magnet argument is a total strawman. Game manipulation is far more subtle, pervasive, and occurs from beginning to end, of games and the season.
No offense, but if you think david stern's mission was to maintain officiating integrity, you are simply out of your mind.
Stern's mission was to increase revenue and ratings.
In order to do that, you have to have marketable stars. In order to have marketable stars, they have to post outstanding offensive numbers. In order to post outstanding offensive numbers against defenses that are completely geared towards stopping you, you sometimes need a little help from the officials.
This means that top tier defenders who aren't marketable (ie don't score very much) are going to be assessed fouls sooner and more often.
This means star players are getting to receive more foul calls than other players.
This means better averages for the 'star' players. This means higher ratings. Higher ratings means more ad revenue and bigger tv contracts.
And yes, there is very careful scrutiny of calls by the league office. The league office scrutinizes calls to make sure their officiating crews understand and employ the 'star system' without referring to it explicitly.
For example, the league may instruct it's officials to make sure that certain forms of contact are ruled as fouls. The league office will emphasize this. Now, it's JUST A COINCIDENCE that this review is taking place before the crew officiates a lakers game with kobe bryant. Yeah, right, it's just a coincidence.
League officials get the hint fast. They don't need to be told to call more fouls on the player guarding kobe. They already know that officials who do the league's bidding get the choice assignments, and therefore make more money.
Anyway, I'm sure a certain faux moderator is going to get upset that the league is rigged, that santa claus doesn't exist, etc. so I better leave it at that.
While the series could certainly have been rigged, Parker, Manu, and Green where cooperating at the fullest.
While Wade did show some life, and Bosh hid as usual, the image of LeBron keeps coming up big, even with his dumb turnovers.
For those who can't swallow the truth, let's say the nba is "managed" or "fine tuned" by the officials and ultimately the commissioner's office.
Dear god this guy is still saying the same thing. Let it go..we read it the first time brother.
Looks like my prediction of D12 to Dallas is gaining steam. It makes sense, and is a perfect fit for the headcase. Houston is better off without him.
Also looks like Noel is going to be ready to play by November (I doubt he does). But the Magic will take him at 2 if he is there, and that would be rather exciting to have him and Vuc in the frontcourt.
I am hoping for Noel or Ben Mac. If we do get Noel, I hoe to see us buy the Dallas pick and grab a sleeper SG like Pope or maybe Shabazz slides down. Shabazz would be a high value pick at this spot.
And yes, I am sure most of you folks will yawn through this draft. Next year is the one that will be electric.
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