NBA 2013-2014 Discussion, keep it classy

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  1. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Will we see a Finals rematch?

    How will the Bulls do since they'll have a "healthy" Derrick Rose with a full training camp?

    What will happen to D-Wade's knees?

    Will Kobe be Kobe coming back with a torn achilles?

    Will the Celtics reload with key pieces to give them old guys one last shot before rebuilding around Rajon Rondo? Also, how will Rondo do coming back from ACL surgery?

    Who's going to be the team that NO ONE wants to play in the Playoffs? (as with the case with the Nuggets and Warriors)

    LASTLY, get out if you're going to fill this thread with Dwight Howard's nonsense.
     
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    Utah Jazz will win the title next year.

    Remember, you heard it here first
     
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    There will be no rematch. Either Heat or the Bulls will make next year's finals (I honestly think a healthy D. Rose and having 3 former all stars, deng, noah, boozer, and jimmy butler and taj gibson is an incredibly stacked team).

    D-Wade needs to reinvent his game and learn post moves or learn how to shoot better otherwise he's pretty much done of being a "star." He's been out of the superstar level since this year. I would consider in him a star now not a superstar.

    I think he will be, Kobe will put up a solid 23-24 ppg I believe.

    Celtics will sneak into the playoffs and make the first round quite interesting but won't get out of it IMO.

    I honestly think for the East: Bulls, for the West: Grizzles (I think Spurs are done but they always tend to surprise me, Popp is a genius)

    I am a Knicks fan and I feel that we are the fourth best team in the conference next season with : 1. Heat 2. Bulls (however I think this will be interchangeable 1-2 by end of next season) 3. Pacers (their size is insane, I hope they get Eric Bledsoe and see how he develops on a championship contender team) 4. Knicks- I'm not a huge fan of Carmelo Anthony. My favorite player currently is Iman Shumpert but he's still developing to just become a starter. We need to draft a big man/center unless shane larkin is still available.
     
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    Unless Derrick favors average Karl Marlone's type of numbers, Enes Kanter becomes an all star. I don't see this happening.
     
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  5. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    By the way, not sure if LeBron James' jump shooting performance was a fluke, but if it isn't, how scary is that for the rest of the league?!
     
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  6. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Oh and I forgot, Danny Granger coming back with Paul George. The Pacers will scare some people.
     
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    MJ bacame a good jump shooter too. Wom a title or trey
     
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  8. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    MJ redefined the mid-range with his fadaways. :)

    But I see where you're going with it.
     
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    Thing is LeBron was actually one of the best mid-range shooters in the regular season according to the stats. He said in the presser that he looked back on what he'd done this season and realised that he shouldn't be trying to force himself to get into the paint and should stay true to what has worked for him all year, which is effective mid range jump shooting and setting up his own offence. He did also shoot 3s in the regular season at more than 40% so while his performance from beyond the arc was spectacular in game 7 of the 2013 NBA Finals, we shouldn't be all too surprised.

    So in terms of was it a fluke and how scary is it for the rest of the league?

    I reckon:

    No fluke, and very scary indeed.

    However, the Eastern Conference is starting to get stacked and we may be seeing an incredibly competitive era over on that side just to reach the finals, with a healthy D-Rose and a very promising looking Pacers team, but not to discount the Knicks either. The Celtics, it's hard to judge them right now.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    Pacers, Heat, Chicago - 3 very legit teams.

    Also there is a lot of talk about this being the final run for the Spurs in vids i've seen post Finals but frankly they could have made two finals in a row given how prolific they were at winning in both the last 2 regular seasons. So, why not do it again?


    I expect over the next 3 years we will see at least 1 OKC - Bulls finals.
     
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  11. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Don't forget Altanta Hawks, apparently they have enough cap space to buy an island.

    And if the Boston Celtics decides to keep Garnett, Pierce, and Coach Rivers, they'll be in the mix one way or another.
     
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    Even with Garnett and Pierce I do not see them getting past the ECSF
     
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    That's why I said they need to reload with good pieces. They need another starting big guy. He doesn't need to be a legit scorer, but he needs to be a big body that can get rebounds and bang people out of the paint.

    Rondo is going to be Rondo, so he needs people who can run around screens and hit spot up jumpers.

    Lastly, they need to rethink their bench. That team was a sitting duck when Garnett and Pierce were getting their rest throughout the season.
     
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    Never happening.

    NYK all the way.
     
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  15. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    But their best player just retired and coaching across town. :twisted:
     
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    Age and wear/tear is catching up to most of the teams mentioned.
    Boozer/Deng
    The whole Laker's team.
    Wade fading, but Bosh and Lebron still at the top of their games.
    OKC does need Westbrook back at full speed.
    Indy is gonna be tough, with Danny, but need a point guard.
    Memphis has a fading Gasol, a tired lefty PF, and need a PG.
    GS needs maturity, before Lee-Bogut get too old.
    Spurs were just too fired out, poor Parker and Genobli.
     
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    Clips will be tough if the Garnett/Rivers deal gets done and approved.

    It will be interesting where Karl winds up. He will improve any team he touches.

    The West will remain stacked and the East will be almost as competitive. Should be a great year!
     
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    Deng will be fine, and if he's not than Butler more than showed he can step up and play. Booz could be amnestied/traded, Bulls want to get rid of him big time.

    Bosh is NOT at the top of his game. He was a better player in Toronto and scored as many points in Game 7 as you and I did. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets traded. If Miami stays pat, they won't win the title again. Plain and simple. They got lucky to win this one, if Vogel doesn't bench Hibbert/Pops doesn't bench Duncan...

    Granger may be trade bait as well. That's George's team now, and I don't trust Granger coming off knee surgeries when he was already in decline.

    How is Gasol fading? Dude just won DPOY and had his best year as a pro. You were talking about Marc right, not Pau. :? Conley is fine at the point, sure he's not Paul/Parker/Rondo but he's not Mario Chalmers either. :lol:

    Memphis/OKC would be my front runners in the West, Mia/Chicago/Indy in the East. Too much commotion in Clipper land and it'll ultimately fail IMO.
     
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  19. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Hey, Mario Chalmers said he's a Top 10 point guard of this league, how dare you speak to him like that.
     
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    Pau is long gone.
    Marc said he was one of the top centers in the league. But in playoffs, he deferred to Zack, hardly ever took a clutch shot, and passed relentlessly. Your center should maybe try to score from 12' out, or should he just look to pass every single time? That's what Pau did a few years ago, look to pass before even taking a peak at the basket.
    Bosh was the featured star at Toronto. Heat, he's #4 option. He doesn't need to score, he needs to contain the other center, rebound, box out, and take 10 jumpers from mid range. He earned another year just at the end of Game 6 alone.
     
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  21. Roger Wawrinka

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    I'm pulling for the clippers!
     
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    While the Clips are certainly loaded with talent, I've noticed most NBA team don't take them all that seriously, at least not like the teams mentioned above.
    Clips seem to be underachievers, dependent on superior athleticism, and somewhat undisciplined.
    Lots of teams hoped to face the Clips in the playoffs.
    Not saying the Warriors are any better, because I think they're worse. Just too much 3 pointers, one guy working, everyone else just posting up.
     
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    Where is the 3rd top player for Okc?
    Kevin Martin doesn't seem like the guy to pick up the slack.
    Not liking any team out in the West to unseat the Heat next year.
     
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    Pacers over Warriors on the finals
     
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    Warrior bigs are old, slow, can't jump. Advantage Pacers.
    Warrior guards are 3 pt. shooters, up one game, down the next. Did Klay show his true makeup in the Spurs series. We know Steph was hobbling around, looking like Parker in the final two games of the Finals.
    Barnes might match up well at 3 or even 2, but he's a sophmore. Wish he could play like Leonard of the Spurs.
     
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    Congratulations to the Heat for repeating as champions. But I have to give the "old guys" on the Spurs credit for taking them to seven games. Makes me proud! (I'm 38)
     
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  27. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Looks like the LA Clippers will finally get Doc Rivers as their coach.

    I would be shocked if the Celtics don't go after Lionel Hollins and George Karl.
     
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    I'm wondering if Adam Silver will be David Stern's puppet, or if he can actually become his own man, and perhaps this is wishful thinking, return the league to some semblance of competitive integrity.

    Cheating and corruption are part and parcel of elite athletics: it cannot be prevented completely, but what is so disgusting about stern is that he encouraged it. He was the one who engineered the system of "star calls" and revenue driven corrupt officiating that haunts the nba to this day.

    Time will tell. In the meantime, the nba has become a laughing stock in the public eye. Fortunately for the nba, steroids in baseball, felony convictions in the nfl, and goon fighting in the nhl continue unabated, so the nba continues to keep it's head up even as it's descended into the sewer.
     
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    Any draft thoughts? Seems like Noel and Macklemore are dropping, so much for them being surefire #1 picks like some on here speculated for months.
     
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    Its a terrible draft for top shelf talent. But who knows until they actually step on the court.
     
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    Danny Ainge may hire himself, until he realizes that might mean having to work regularly.
     
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    Posted in wrong thread:

    Looks like my prediction of D12 to Dallas is gaining steam. It makes sense, and is a perfect fit for the headcase. Houston is better off without him.

    Also looks like Noel is going to be ready to play by November (I doubt he does). But the Magic will take him at 2 if he is there, and that would be rather exciting to have him and Vuc in the frontcourt.

    I am hoping for Noel or Ben Mac. If we do get Noel, I hoe to see us buy the Dallas pick and grab a sleeper SG like Pope or maybe Shabazz slides down. Shabazz would be a high value pick at this spot.

    And yes, I am sure most of you folks will yawn through this draft. Next year is the one that will be electric.
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    Wow, Warriors losing JaredJack and CarlLandry, now thinking of trading HarrisonBarnes for a big stiff from Sacramento? Stopgap at it's greatest.
    Guy like Barnes, small forward, can get you 9 rebounds, shoot 3's, drive to the hole, and spread the floor.
    Talented but lazy big guy.... JB Carroll, ToddFuller, TroyMurphy (I liked him at PF), Festus (out till next year), Biedrins (oh god, to be quick and 6'11", blessed with 4 feet), and they want ONE more?
    How many rebounds did that Leonard guy get against the Heat?
     
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    Bennett #1? Don't think anyone had that one. :lol:
     
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    Oladipo to ORL. I like the pick.
     
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    Jrue and a 1st to the Pelicans for Noel? Wow!

    Sixers love their injury-kneed big men.
     
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    Lucas Nogeira, best hair tonite!
     
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    Im stunned we didnt take Noel. Everyone is saying it is his knee, but reports came out that it was his entourage that scared a lot of people. I have think that was the Magic's thought because they said his knee was not an issue and that he was impressive in limited workouts.

    Kind of like that he fell due to who he hangs out with though. That is very NFL-esque, and the NBA needs that type of scrutiny.

    Of course trading Jrue Holiday for him was equally stunning as well.

    Not that excited about Dipo yet, but his athleticism is insane and he could possibly become a stud. He did take over some games rather impressively last year..its just a small body of work.
     
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    http://fansided.com/2013/06/18/2013-nba-draft-nerlens-noels-entourage-scaring-away-nba-teams/
     
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  40. Ronaldo

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    Btw, Celtics gave up the House?
     
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    I wouldn't even trade Jrue Holiday straight up for Noel, so to also give up another 1st rd pick is unreal.


    Also cant believe Zeller could possibly go that high.
     
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    PHO will regret not taking Ben Mac there.
     
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    How's it going with the trade?
     
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    Dipo is a great pick, IMHO. He was the best player on the floor against an NBA talent stacked UK championship team season before last. Crazy athletic dunks in traffic, solid shooting and handle, good D and high motor. Never forgot the dude after that game. Great NBA body and athleticism. As for Noel...trust a UK grad...don't lose any sleep on the Magic passing. :) He and the rest of that vaunted freshman class way underperformed, even before the injury.

    My wife grew up in Sac and her family loves 'em some Kings. Scott Pollard (former beloved King) calls bust for Ben Mac...can't create his own shot, can't go left, poor handle, possible concentration/maturity issues. All spell disaster on the Kings. The guy can shoot but had a terrible tournament. Still, he probably was best available and fell in Sac's lap (they were actually looking to trade up to get him).

    Before you laugh RE Pollard (former Jayhawk), he also predicted Thomas Robinson (another Jayhawk) would be a bust for the Kings last year. :)
     
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    Does anyone know much about Nemanja Nedovic? I understand that Golden State managed to get the last first-round pick for a nominal expense.
     
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    Only saw a one minute highlight film of him on TV, playing Euro League.
    Quick for Europe, long for 6'3", passes well, very unselfish, not a big scorer mentality, elevates well, a good utilitary point guard with seemingly good ball handling skills.
     
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    I've let it rattle around my brain for a 24-hour cooldown before commenting on the good and the bad of the Magic's draft choices.

    The good: Oladipo is a class guy, great work ethic and a lot of upside. He will be a great defender and will score from the entire floor. A safe pick.

    The bad: Hennigan didn't address the team's biggest needs...interior defense and youth at PG. I guess character issues surrounding Noel made it safer to load up at SG with Oladipo. That, and/or the knee, made his slide down the board confirm it wasn't just Orlando who didn't trust him. As to Osby in R2, there were better options at PG taken after this stupid choice.

    Overall grade: B...could have been an "A" with perhaps Siva at the R2 slot.
     
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    Sivas tiny though. I know jameer had the same type of criticism for being too small coming out of st Joe's, but he has some bulk on him at least. I don't see Siva being a successful pro long term, certainly not a starter at least. Maybe orl signs the youngest Curry?
     
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    I omitted NC State's Lorenzo Brown from the "perhaps" part of my post. He has the size you referred to (6'5") and was a 14/7/4 guy in the ACC as a junior but doesn't have long-range accuracy. The T-wolves took him with the pick after us.
     
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    Kevin that is good stuff thanks.

    We got romero osby as well. I feel like this guy could make the team. Between him, vuc, harkless, harris, oladipo and jameer- that is a ton of work ethic. I like that because it creates a majority in the locker room. These guys are not going to tolerate diva behaviour or bad attitudes. This is very important in todays nba.
     
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