NCAA Team Tournament Predictions

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  1. woodrow1029

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    This is where the Cal and Stanford teams usually play if they have to go indoors. The issue is that they won't usually release courts until after 9PM. The members get upset.
     
  2. bluetrain4

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    I remember a few years back the Northwestern and USC women got rained out and they eventually moved indoors, but had to drive to somewhere almost an hour away. Is that the SF Racquet Club?
     
  3. woodrow1029

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    Where was the match supposed to be played? Was it during the NCAA tournament in 2006? If so, it probably was. SF Tennis Club is about 40 minutes away from Stanford.
     
  4. bluetrain4

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    Yes, this is when the NCAAs were at Stanford, and NU and USC were playing in the quarterfinals. So, it probably was SFTC.
     
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    Rain is in the forecast for tomorrow morning, so I would think that all indoor facilities around here would have gotten a call from the NCAA concerning availability for practice time.
     
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    ahh yes, SFTC, I was remembering when Cal had rain for a tournament and they played the match's at ClubSport Pleasanton.
     
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    I know, Men's team had to go indoors last time they held NCAA in Stanford. and actually they lost that match and were out of the tournament. I think someone actually blamed the loss on moving the venue. I believe he said, we lost the great fan support we would have had at Taube stadium...:)
     
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  9. woodrow1029

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    It's raining here again.
     
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    Blue Train, you're right, I'm looking at 28 indoor courts within 40 minutes which I feel is very reasonable. You would be hard pressed to do that in the Chicago land area because of the unpredictable nature of the traffic. The time to and from Atkins would be a known quantity on open interstates. I'm sure that those indoor facilities would be more than happy to participate for such a rare event. I can guarantee the Danville facility would be completely available because we do so now for other collegiate teams.


     
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    On and off sunshine and showers so far this morning in the Bay Area.
     
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    A couple of weeks at Senior Day, it was announced that Greg Hirshman is graduating with a 3.993 GPA with an Economics Major (I think it was Economics).
     
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    Terrible idea to have the NCAA championships at a place that doesn't have adequate on-campus indoor facilities.
     
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    I disagree when the NCAA championships are at a place where rain this time of the year is very unlikely. Even if it rains for a few hours on one or 2 days, it's not going to delay the tournament and won't be a factor in the completion of the tournament. It would be different if it were in another part of the country where it is more humid and rain is more of a factor.
     
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    so who wants to discuss some matchups?

    Duke/UGA is the most intriguing.
     
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    The #8 vs. #9 matchup is often pretty intriguing, and this year is no different: Stanford vs. Texas A&M. Alberto Bautista of A&M, who plays #6 singles and #3 doubles, had a tight back in the round of 32 and was pulled from the lineup at the last minute. Gregory Hirschman of Stanford has been trying to recover from injury as well, so the depth positions in singles and doubles are a mystery going into the match.
     
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    I see the following matches as the most intriguing (and these three are predictable):

    Duke/Georgia - I think Duke could give Georgia a match, and this should be a fun one right out of the gate tomorrow. Duke is the favorite at 1 and 2, UGA is probably the favorite at 3-6, and doubles could be a toss-up. I'm going to be useless after noon tomorrow.

    UCLA/Baylor - Two teams that match up very well with each other in terms of overall strength. I picked the Bruins on account of the match being on the west coast.

    Stanford/Texas A&M - Same as above, two teams that look about dead even on paper. Each team has a top notch #1 doubles team, a top 20 talent at the #1 spot, top 40-ish talent at the #2 spot, decent depth on the roster. I have Stanford winning based on home court, but this match could go either way.

    As for the other matches:

    Florida/Kentucky - This should be a good match, but given that the Gators smacked around the Wildcats a few weeks back, I wouldn't hold my breath.

    USC/Georgia Tech - Tech is a senior heavy team that is hungry for more, but they don't have the horses to hang with USC. The Jackets might be able to snag the doubles point.

    Tennessee/Cal - Vols easily.

    OSU/Tulsa - Buckeyes easily.

    Virginia/Illinois - The biggest question is whether Drew Courtney plays, and how well if he does. Another interesting thing is that Illinois has a different lineup than the last two matches against UVA. I think Virginia is the better doubles team, and I've got Virginia as the favorite in three singles matches, with the other three as toss-ups.
     
  18. mikej

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    not sure i'd really say this about A&M, especially in singles

    their #7 that filled in against LSU is junior ore (trained w/ kudla, frank, and co. at college park) and his background is as impressive as any freshman in the country...top 20 junior in the world, with a win over top seed and defending champion daniel berta at roland garros juniors

    if that's questionable depth then no team in the country has ever had depth at singles

    edit: on second look perhaps you were just referring to the mystery of which player takes the court, in which case sure you're right, but i don't think there are major concerns ability-wise w/ A&M...much like Baylor where bley is a more-than-capable #7
     
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    Kentucky did beat Florida during the season. Florida benefited from home court advantage in the SEC tourney. Plus the line-ups are different with the Slilam/Bangoura switch. That will be very close.
     
  20. woodrow1029

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    I don't really know much about UGA this year, but I saw Duke play against Pepperdine and California at Pepperdine. They lost the doubles against both teams which surprised me because I had heard that Duke had good doubles, and Cal's doubles are not that strong. Their 1-2 singles were very strong and their 3-6 were not that great looking. At the time of those 2 matches, I think Duke was ranked #4 or #5 and Pepperdine and Cal were like #13 and #14. I was very surprised that Duke did not look that impressive. I would be surprised if they get by UGA.
     
  21. mikej

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    Duke also beat Pepperdine earlier in the year, and of course took down USC (4-3) and UF (4-1) in Indoors. So yeah, they could lose to Georgia (and my breakdown of the match earlier in fact favors UGA at many positions) but they're also capable of beating just about anybody.

    Their doubles is strong in one sense and weak in another. #1 is certainly one of the best teams in the country (ITA team of the year last year and losing to hardly anyone again this year). So against most teams they're going to have a very good chance of taking that pt if they can win #2 or #3. Those teams, however, are good but nothing special. So, no, I wouldn't say they have one of the best doubles lineups in the country.

    In those spring break matches you're referring to, Torsten had just come back from injury and been inserted into the lineup, replacing our steady-as-a-rock #6 Marchese. I think it was a very questionable decision, as he lost both his dubs (8-3 and 8-4) and both #6 singles matches (both straight sets). I think Ramsey should have waited to integrate him into the lineup once ACCs started rather than against two great teams out West.

    edit - and both those losses were 3-4, so if Marchese had gotten wins, or if doubles teams that had been playing together for months rather than days had played a bit better, the end result of that trip out West could have been quite different
     
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  22. woodrow1029

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    Yeah. I guess both days the doubles came down to a tiebreak at #2. I think Cal won 4-2 though. #2 didn't finish. I think Duke was up a set, but Cueto is pretty good, so it could have finished either 4-3 or 5-2. If Duke would have gone on to win at #2, then the doubles would have been very important for sure.
     
  23. mikej

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    Cueto retired officially (maybe he just didn't feel like expending the energy once his team had won):
    http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=22585&SPID=1839&DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=205114937

    Certainly UGA could win tomorrow, I just wouldn't base it on that one weekend. I could similarly pick out a couple results like Indoors or Duke 6-1 win over GT (who beat UGA earlier in the year) and say Duke should blow UGA away, which I do not believe to be the case at all.
     
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  24. woodrow1029

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    That's right. You would have thought I would have remembered that considering I was the head referee of the match. I know that the coaches had been talking about abandoning once decided since Duke was flying out, but I remember now that he did tweak something and retired when the match was decided.
     
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    haha, seems like you get to watch a lot of good tennis - has to beat taking in only a couple matches each year and following the rest via stats / webcam
     
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    Oh yeah. I mainly work at Stanford, Cal, St. Mary's and Santa Clara. That weekend at Pepperdine was tough though with Indian Wells going on plus matches at USC, UCLA, UC Irvine, Pepperdine and Long Beach St. I think. They couldn't staff all of the college matches with Southern Cal officials, so I was able to go down and work at Pepperdine. What a beautiful campus!
     
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    My point was I don't know (1) who will play, and (2) who will win. Yes, Junior Ore is good, but if Hirschman is healthy, will Ore beat him? Not necessarily. There is plenty of uncertainty as to what will happen at the bottom of the lineup.
     
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    Fair enough, I can't imagine Hirschman winning that match, ever - I guess that's why I didn't understand the uncertainty.

    But to be fair I've never seen Hirshman play in person, so who knows - I'd love to see them play tomorrow, that's for sure.
     
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    Make sure you catch it on the web cam. Seeing Hirshman play is an experience that you don't want to miss. He is quite the character out there. I hope there is audio feed maybe you can hear him talking to himself. He's got a great dual match record throughout his Stanford career. He's really a nice guy. He even started a newspaper at Stanford which is pretty good.
     
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    Ever since the "Unstrung" documentary, I have been a fan of Hirschman. Really interesting kid and super smart. However, watching the part of the film where he lost, but was really excited about how well he played was pretty good to see from a kid playing at Kalamazoo.
     
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    I agree, Hirschman is a character, and he can get very noisy on court... Great fighter, and outstanding student! 3.993 GPA or something close over 4 years at Stanford, not bad.
     
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    I disagree. People are so impatient these days. Of course, it's a nice to have indoor facilities right there for backup and practice, but rain delays aren't going to kill anyone. The NCAA championships have been held successfully for decades with weather delays popping up sometimes. It's part of being an outdoor sport. All of these players have played since they were children and have experienced weather problems.

    Yes, it's true that every once in a while the weather will be more than simply "bad" and there will be serious scheduling problems due to consistent rain or other bad weather over a long period, over multiple days.

    Usually, that's not the case and the weather problem is more isolated, but just because serious delay does happen on occasion, I don't think that sort of serious weather problem happens enough to mandate that every NCAA host have indoor courts immediately adjacent to their outdoor facilities.

    I'm not saying it's a bad thing to have close-by indoor facilities, only that I don't think it's absolutely necessary.
     
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    Agreed I think NCAAs should be outdoors unless totally necessary (multiple rainout days), which isn't likely to happen in Palo Alto anyway. Even if they had tons of indoor facilities on campus, I would hope they wouldn't jump to use them any time a slight delay happened.
     
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    By the way, what universities have all of following:

    1. 12 Championship outdoor courts for actual play (so at least two team matches can occur simultaneously)

    2. Additional outdoor courts for practice.

    A LOT of schools have 1 and 2.

    3. On-campus or very close by indoor courts - I'd say at least 6 courts so that at least one team match can be played.

    Fewer schools have 1, 2, and 3.

    4. Championship seating with seating of 1,000 or 2,000+. Substantial seating actually overlooking the courts (from behind, or on the side like at Stanford), not a few small bleachers behind the fences.

    Very few schools have this and it's pretty much necessary to host the NCAAs. Indoor courts, as of now, aren't necessary. [Edit: I should simply say that good and relatively plentiful seating is necessary. I'm not sure about the actual numbers of seats necessary, only that have Georgia and Stanford room for a lot of fans, and I'd imagine that it has to be more than just simple dual-match seating.]


    I know Georgia and Stanford seat over 2,000. Not sure about Texas A&M or how many seats Illinois will have by 2013. Wasn't Tulsa also a host recently?

    The number of schools that have all of this is limited.
     
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  35. woodrow1029

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    ^^ The only school that has pretty much all regarding courts is Yale, except the seats overlooking the court, but there is a lot of room to put up large sets of bleachers. And they may have only 4-6 indoor courts on site. May be 6 though. I can't remember
     
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    They have 8 indoor, was just there today for the USO playoff thing.
     
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    He is Mathematical genius. I believe he is going into theoratical physics.
     
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    "He already knows his next step, which will be taking part in the London School of Finance and Private Equity program. "
    http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/050211aae.html

    from the same article which we've both previously posted (did you not read it yourself? or is your memory worse than my dog's?) he is an econ and math major - nothing to do w/ physics
     
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    I know i can teach him a few things about the market. I think we will get together sometime. I am a man of many talents.
     
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    I'm sure you are - after reading so many of your posts, I've come to the conclusion that you must be similar to Rainman.

    Can you read two pages of a book at the same time? If I tell you my birthdate can you tell me the day of the week?
     
  43. woodrow1029

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    Almost that time! Here's to a great week of NCAA tennis.
     
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    after re-viewing some of the roster and match-ups .. I fear a lot upsets are going to happen ..maybe today.. it's crunch time.. those players better start peaking now..
     
  45. woodrow1029

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    Cal def. Tennessee 4-2
     
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    Care to be a bit bolder and say who is in danger, in your opinion?

    I know I'm nervous, but Virginia fans get nervous before every athletic event. No exceptions.

    Now, THAT'S bold.
     
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    I think by the seedings Duke and Stanford are in the most danger.

    Florida and OSU would be in my next group of sort of in danger, but should be ok.

    The rest I think will hold to the seedings.
     
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    and I don't really think Cal will beat Tennessee
     
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    Duke's the 11 seed, UGA's the 6. Duke winning would be the upset.

    I agree on the Stanford/TAMU match. I see it as a coin-flip.
     
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    home team Stanford has a real big job cut out for them in the 1st round.. 2nd round I see USC might be in some real danger from Florida .. these matches are all about how different players match-up with one another ,this is where the coach's line up is critical ..
     

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