Near Death Escape for Roddick and Others...

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  1. sseemiller

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    And the point of that last post is . . . That women have superior intelligence. I'd agree and joke about it, except the results aren't funny. This is serious stuff. I'm very sorry for their family.
     
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  2. Fee

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    Hmm, I saw another report that said the woman made it safely down the sheet rope to the ground and her husband died following her.

    Anyway, I think this is one time that Andy was not engaged in self-promotion. The news of his efforts to help others in the hotel came from the ATP first, so blame them.

    As for being stuck on a balcony with the members of this board, Susan, I don't think I'd mind. I may not agree with everyone, but I don't think anyone here is really evil. They'd probably feel some amount of sympathy for me, since I'm the only Jan-Mike fan in the group :lol:
     
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  3. Frodo Baggins

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    If Were gonna be stuck together on a High rise balcony.... I'll be the first to Jump... Hobbit OVERRRRR BOARRRRRRRRRD :lol:
     
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  4. pound cat

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    When he's in a burning building & is surrounded by flames, I doubt that self-promotion was on Andy's proproty list. He did all the right things and handled himself in a mature manner. & in fact was rather Shakespearean ...a bit of "comic relief" to help ease the horror of a situation that could have had a very bad outcome.
     
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  5. irishbanger

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    Well put, pound cat. Those who are trying to make something ugly out of this should be ashamed of themselves.
     
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  6. PugArePeopleToo

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    The problem with Roddick haters is they will use every opportunity to bash him, either directly or indirectly. They accuse the press of shameless promotion of Roddick, yet they don't see their mindless attack on him. Had Roddick done nothing, they would have accused him of being cowardly and selfish. Since he did do somthing helpful, he is nothing less than a self promoting cheeky bugger.
     
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  7. devila

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    Can some tennis fans accept a too-good-to-be-true
    occurrence that doesn't involve their idols?
    It's possible that some folks say what they know aren't true to get attention and negative support.
    Could it be that fans need to put their idols onto a higher pedestal?
    Maybe their idols' perfect talent and interesting personalities are impossible to ignore.
     
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  8. SonicSpeed

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    My condolences to everyone involved.
     
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  9. Deuce

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    "Those who are trying to make something ugly out of this should be ashamed of themselves."

    It is those who are exploiting the unfortunate circumstance in order to shamelessly promote their favorite player who should be ashamed - as nothing is more ugly than such self-serving exploitation of a tragedy.

    I have no idea what Roddick did or did not do. None of us know, simply due to the disturbing fact that the media today cannot be trusted.

    If he did call his mom, that was an unusual thing to do - in a positive way. In a time when most guys his age would, in that situation, call a drinking buddy and say "Hey, dude - guess what? The building's on fire, man! It's all black & stuff. People are running and yelling all over the place. Totally awesome!" , it's nice that he called his mom in a time of crisis.

    Whether Roddick did or did not perform any selfless acts during the fire, no doubt there were others involved in the circumstance who provided great help to people. But they're not 'famous', and so no-one hears of their heroism.

    It would just be nice to see some humility in situations like this.
     
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  10. sseemiller

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    The fire did happen. No one disagrees with that fact.

    I'm sure he did call his Mom, Deuce. Andy has always been very close to his parents. Just think back to his US Open win, when he looked around, and asked, "Where are my parents?"

    And if you were on a smoke-infested balcony, with a bunch of hysterical folks, some of which are literally dropping in from the story above, and you had a cell phone -- who would you call??? My parents would be on my short list. And I'm not 21. When I was 21, my Mom would have been the first person I called.

    I think from the various media accounts, and there have been many, we can confidently conclude that it was an unpleasant situation (British understatement), and that Andy's actions were appropriate under the circumstances, and maybe even more than that.

    Perhaps the term "heroics" was overly used, but in the end, he did help people, and he himself has been downplaying it, if anything. It's others who are making more of his efforts.

    I can see all that. What I can't see is the effort to malign someone who obviously tried to do good in this situation, and did do good.

    So you don't like his tennis, fine. But if you don't like that he tried to save lives, other than his own, well, I guess you will never like him. And it's totally your loss.
     
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  11. Deuce

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    Susan, I have absolutely no bias either for or against Roddick.

    The same cannot be said of you, however - you've made that very clear over the past few months.

    With no bias in either direction, my view is not clouded.
     
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  12. VamosRafa

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    I think you are blowing an old horn there, Deuce. In fact, it's squeaking, or perhaps creaking, a bit from overuse. :wink:

    But if you don't have any facts to counterdict a point, you can't do anything more than say the other side is biased.

    So when you get some contradictory facts, let me know.

    In the meantime, the facts suggest that Andy did good.


    Susan
     
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  13. Deuce

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    "But if you don't have any facts to counterdict a point, you can't do anything more than say the other side is biased."

    Well, if you want to play lawyer... I can tell you that I'm 5th in line to become Pope. Have you any "facts to contradict this"? Just because one cannot prove that something is false doesn't make it true. If you're a lawyer, you ought to know that one cannot prove a negative.

    Your lack of objectivity regarding Roddick (I don't call him Andy, because I don't know his favorite color) is just a simply stated fact, Susan. Perceive it as you wish.

    Do you honestly believe that you hold no bias in favor of Roddick? Come on, Susan - please don't insult my intelligence. It's not a big deal - but you surely can't deny bias with a straight face. I know not the origin of your bias - whether because he's been nice to you, or you know something wonderful about him that none of us know, or you think he has a cute butt - but your promotion and perpetual defence of him, and therefore the bias, is quite evident.

    Insofar as no longer using your name on these boards, I think that's a step in the right direction that everyone should emulate. There are simply too many idiots out there.

    Some people certainly hold a clear bias against Roddick - to them, he can do nothing right, and they constantly attack him. Others hold a clear bias for Roddick - to them, he can do no wrong, and they constantly defend him from the previous group.

    To me, neither group's contributions are an enjoyable read, as neither is interested in the truth - rather, they're interested only in posting propaganda which serves to support their position, while deliberately ignoring anything which would have the opposite effect.
     
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  14. pound cat

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    Oh good grief, Deuce, stop the rambling & nit-picking. I personally find most of the posts here articulate & enlightening, & entertaining and the posters intelligent and knowledgeable. And when I'm on a search for truth, I'll read the poem on the subject by John Keats.
     
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  15. @wright

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    Getting in spats with Susan on the TW boards makes Deuce feel all warm and fuzzy inside, oh wait, it's the hot air coming out of him that gives him the warm feeling.
     
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  16. ohplease

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    Pot? Kettle. Kettle? Pot.
     
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  17. topspin

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    Why so much emphasis on the equipment loss of some players. Who cares about some racquets? Seems like such a strange thing to read about in many articles about this fire.
     
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  18. perfmode

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    Seriously, it's only like $2000 and they will get all their racquets replaced and restrung the very next day.
     
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  19. Verbal_Kint

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    Custom made racquets (paintjobs anyone) probably won't be replaced in one day. Even if they are, they still have to customized to personal (weight, balance, grip) preferences.

    Marnix
     
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  20. topspin

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    Well yeah but that's no big deal, important thing is that they got out alive. They can go to a store and buy some racquets and add some lead tape for a couple of days.
     
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  21. Verbal_Kint

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    Indeed, the important thing is they got out alive, I think the players couldn't care less about their sticks, considering.. However, different rackets will affect their performance.

    Marnix
     
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