I've mostly been a lurker around here, reading others advice and using it myself, but I have really noticed that I'm not getting the depth that I am wanting. Before, it seemed I was able to get more depth, but after some overgrips over a 4 and one half (it was hurting my elbow) it seems that I don't seem to nail the lines like I used to. Also, I've read about using your wrist can cause problems to most people that haven't developed their wrist. I've been doing the wrist squeeze thing (I can now open those pesky jars ) (sorry, I don't know the name of the little tool, but you squeeze it and the two handles for the hands move in. There's a circle on the top of the gizmo) for a little while now. Should I start trying to use my wrist, or should I keep building it up? Any help would be appreciated .