Need slippery syn gut

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  1. Will Wilson

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    I am trying msv focus hex in the mains with head pps crosses. I noticed that the mains are crooked and need to be straightened which tells me they aren't snapping back due to the pps not being slippery enough. Any cheap syn gut that would be more slippery?
     
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  2. spinovic

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    I would think PSGD would be a good hybrid string. Not sure if I'd call it a "cheap" syn gut though, but its not going to break the bank.
     
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  3. THESEXPISTOL

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    If you could create such a string you would boss the entire tennis string industry...
    Well, at least in theory!
     
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  4. ChicagoJack

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    Hi Will,

    Check the TWU string friction tool, you can sort all data by material choice.
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/COFreporter.php

    Also, if you really want to maximize string slide and snap back, Poly crosses is a much better choice than poly mains. Focus hex is harder than any nylon, plus it has edges. Those edges are biting into the softer nylon.

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  5. COPEY

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    Since you said "cheap", give Technifibre S-gut a go. It's definitely smoother than PPS.
     
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  6. Stardust

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    Absolutely! I’ve tried lots of syngut brands and all of them behave the same way. Due to the ball impact and especially on clay, the surface of the nylon strings becomes rough and voila…
    Also if you like the poly under 55 lb. and string the nylon crosses with higher tension than the poly mains, as many recommend, you get the same effect, even worse.

    Lately I’ve come across to a poly that works fine as a cross string instead syngut – Pro’s Pro Red Devil in 1.19 gauge. It’s very stretchable and slippery and does the job fine. When I used it for first time I strung it as usually 2 lb. lower than the mains but it stretched a lot and the crosses got prone to move up and down a bit. Next time I applied the same tension (53 lb.) as the mains and now it works OK. And it’s dirty cheep - I got a reel for under the 40 bucks!
     
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  7. ricki

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    Klipper Neon syngut is soft and slippery - if they sold it here in EU i would use it 100%
     
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  8. SteveI

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    Forten Tourney Nylon is very slick and very cheap
     
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  9. JackB1

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    use a round poly for more sliding and snap back.

    Babalot Nvy is a great syngut for crosses. Very slick and works well with a round poly main.
     
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  10. netguy

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    Try Forten Sweet mains and Silverstring crosses
     
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  11. travlerajm

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    Ashaway's Monogut ZX is slippery like a poly, but stretches like syn gut, and holds tension better than syn gut once it's pre-stretched or broken in (holds tension much better than poly). There is an active thread devoted to it. It works great as a long-lasting, tension-holding slippery cross. But I'd advise against using a poly main with it, because the poly will lose tension so fast that you'd be wasting the tension-holding properties of the ZX.
     
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  12. JackB1

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    so what do you advise using as a main with ZX as a cross?
     
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  13. fortun8son

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    Gamma Orig Syngut , LightningXX, and Wilson Extreme are among the smoothest synguts.
     
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  14. jaydog23

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    But then you've entirely defeated the point of wanting snapback in the first place, as now you have multi mains, which won't really snap regardless of cross string. Or is multi snapback a thing...? Still, you will get better snapback with a full bed of polyester string.
     
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  15. jaydog23

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    Any recommendations for a cross with Tour Bite (specifically, 18)? Right now, I have a full bed of Tour Bite 18 at 53, very sliiiight arm pain. I'm guessing my go-to multi choice of X-One Biphase won't cut it, just from past experience with Biphase.... I've heard N.Vy and NXT Control recommended for use as crosses with Tour Bite mains. Can you (or anyone) speak to these setups, or any others with Tour Bite mains? Thanks.
     
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  16. Doubles

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    Well, Trav uses kevlar mains, so I would assume that. If someone can handle the stiffness of Kevlar, it might be worth a shot trying. With that said, I see a lot of people are cautious of the stiffness ratings and hesitant to give it a try.
     
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  17. roman40

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    If you find a slippery syngut that stays slippery after a 4-6hrs of hitting, let me know, because I'd be interested. I was using Gosen OG Micro in the crosses, but it didn't stay slippery very long, at least not in the crosses. It also notched the poly pretty badly. In full poly setup, the string snap back for a very long time, and notching is not as bad. If you break your string in a few hours, then OGSM will work great, otherwise, you'll need to look for an alternative, or hybrid with a softer poly.
     
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  18. ChicagoJack

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    I've left you a pretty detailed response (Reply#5) in your very own thread on the topic here

    By the way, the hybrid in your signature, (Tour Bite 18 Mains with X-One Bi phase 16 crosses) has caught my eye. TF X-One 16 has a very gummy outer coating which produces the highest friction digits on record (0.314). Tour Bite is hard with sharp edges. These things are hard to predict, and there are many unexpected result on record, but if I were to try to invent a string bed that maximizes inter-string friction, and limits string movement, Tour Bite mains and X-One crosses would probably be the first thing at the top of my list. Even a smooth poly such as SPP mains paired with X-one crosses has produced the 2nd highest friction digits on record (2.99) See attached screen grab.

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    -Jack
     
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  19. jaydog23

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    ChicagoJack, yea I'm still learning obviously. My question is, is there even anything to be gained from using a multi cross as opposed to a full bed of Tour Bite 18? If I'm enjoying the way I'm playing and I feel very limited arm pain, should I even be looking for another string? I have some NXT Control I want to try as a cross, and I've heard N.Vy is good, but could anything else work better than a full bed of Tour Bite?
     
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