Never seen Fed's FH weaker!

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  1. kragster

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    Credit to Murray for being aggressive today and playing some amazing tennis. But I have never seen Fed's FH lack so much sting. Even in recent times when Fed's movement has declined, his FH was always a shot he could rely on to finish the point. Today it looked like Murray was easily getting to pretty much every FH Fed hit and then was hitting much harder FHs back!

    Even when I'm not a Fed fan, watching an iconic shot not performing anywhere near expectation made me sad! It's the equivalent of watching Sampras hit a mediocre serve or watching Nadal struggle to chase balls. Something doesn't feel right.
     
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  2. joeri888

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    Ive seen more errors with it but it was really slow out there. I think his backhand was very strong and kept him so close
     
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  3. kragster

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    To be honest I felt that this much was closer than it should have been. It sort of reminds me of the 2012 AO final between Nole and Nadal were Nole looked much better but somehow Nadal managed to push it to a 5th. That match was always Nole's to lose and today's match was Murray's to lose.

    I hope Fedal come back strong and we have a 4 way rivalry going for a bit rather than a 2 way one.
     
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  4. President

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    For the last few years Federer's serve has been his best shot and the most important in his victories, his forehand declined starting in 2008.
     
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    Federer felt disconnected from the ball, out of touch. It's like when you can not find the ball on the windy day. Or just on any day when your mind and your body do not click, not in sync. It happens with everybody, but other players can grind it out much better than Federer. His technique is too relaxed, too kinetic, he can not compensate by brute force so well. You know how Federer plays when he is in touch with the ball. Today he was not, hopefully he will build his rhythm up to the next final.
     
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  6. TheNatural

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    Fred hit the forehand great for most of the match. As Courier said the difference between the quality of Murray's return of serve and Fed's was enormous. Fed only hit a couple of offensive returns all match long. He needs to work on that.
     
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  7. FlashFlare11

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    I agree here. Roger's ROS on Andy's second serves was pretty poor. He'd go for the aggressive return on occasion (and won most, if not, all of those points), but, for the most part, decided to slice them back deep. Murray just promptly hit winner after winner when fed those shots. There were some incredibly frustrating moments where the second serve really wasn't hit well, yet Roger would play the same slice back at moments of 15-30 or 30-30.
     
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  8. kalyan4fedever

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    courts are slow , he was not able to get a clean winner and struggled, also he looked not motivated in this match and was playing casually which i didn't see him in quite some time... he always used to be some what tensed when he is down but in todays match i think he looked too cool...
     
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    The day was windy and the night conditions were super-slow. He could not hit through Murray (it is rarely possible anyway) so he had to trade groundstrokes with him.

    His FH was not particularly atrocious, but it is a naturally offensive shot designed for hitting 1-2-3 winners, not pushing the ball for hours. Murray's FH is much better suited for that.
     
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    Federer was just tired. Ah, the curse of getting older.

    Federer's strokes requires precision and power. When I watched the 5th set against Murray, even his first serve died and went away. He just couldn't generate the RH speed. He couldn't move fast enough to set his feet. I felt genuinely bad for him.

    This is where I think great players retire. When they can only compete in 3-set ATP tourneys and can no longer grind out the grand slams... it's time to retire. I certainly wouldn't fault him for doing so.
     
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    Fed's BH has out-performed the FH by a large margin during these 2 weeks.
     
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    did you miss the 2008 french open final?
     
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  13. TMF

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    It lacks the punch and depth. He missed some of the inside-out fh which use to be his bread and butter shot.
     
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  14. gsharma

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    Not only the forehand but where is the bite in his backhand slice? I think his forehand lacking the zing could be down to playing two back-to-back 5-setters. Could it be a case of "dead arm"?
     
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  15. nikdom

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    Overall Roger looked the older man. Slower, weaker off his groundies except the BH (unfortunately Murray's is better), inconsistent and powerless on serve. If it wasn't for his hunger, experience and mental strength, this wasn't a 5 set match - could've easily been a 3 set drubbing.

    Again nothing to take away from Murray, but as a Roger fan, I truly think this is how far Roger is going with his game. The top 2 are physically stronger, more powerful on their strokes, no obvious weaknesses and are serving like Roger never has. I doubt any tweaks to his game at this point will get Roger a slam.

    I can't believe I'm saying this, but if Roger doesn't lift some weights, add more muscle to his upper body, add more pace to his first serve and go back to hitting the FH with greater punch, even Wimby is out of his reach now.
     
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  16. dunlop_fort_knox

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    the head to heads with djok and murray are going to start piling up against the GOAT.
     
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  17. forzamilan90

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    That depends on the circumstance. Just a few months ago Fed brat Murray at WTF and Djok got destroyed in Cinci. There was also Wimbledon. If Fed hasn't played an exhausting match beforehand and surface isn't a slow *** hatdcourt I like his chances against Novak and Murray
     
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  18. veroniquem

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    Fed' s game is falling apart. Boor bugger.
     
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  19. TheF1Bob

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    Federer was garbage in this match. Muzza should of won this in 3.

    It was that bad. :(
     
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  20. Mike Sams

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    Murray still has a long ways to go to get to 17 Grand Slams and surpass Federer's amount of weeks at #1.
     
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  21. BevelDevil

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    His movement was terrible, which is probably most the cause of his fh problems. Especially when moving to his right, he'd slightly mishit and cough up a shortball.

    And if he's having problems running forward, then backpeddling into his i/o forhand was probably affected as well.


    His slice was fine. It's just that Murray does a great job getting down low. Murray also has a good counter slice.


    But won't that make him slower? I think the only way this would pay off is if it resulted in a significantly better backhand he didn't have to run around.
     
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  22. Mike Sams

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    Imagine if this had been a quarterfinal opponent for Murray with Nadal and Djokovic still to come? :lol:
    That could be a likely scenario if Nadal is ranked #5. Gonna have to play 3 of these monsters to win a Slam! :shock:
     
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  23. gsharma

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    From the slices I saw, he floated most of them. Sure, he did hit a few crisp ones but they were short. Federer used to do a great job varying the depth and bite on his slices. I guess not today.
     
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  24. Cindysphinx

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    He is just a little bit old, tired and slow.

    He is now facing opponents who do not fear him anymore.

    Murray has learned to hit his FH offensively. When Murray went DTL, he won almost every point. Fed couldn't camp in his BH corner like he has with Murray in the past.

    No more slams for Roger. Roger no longer has a weapon. His FH used to be one, his serve used to be one. Can't win a slam without a weapon . . . .
     
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  25. fednad

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    Only his game has fallen apart. Unlike your NadsyPants who himself fell apart at the ripe young age of 26.
    The haters!
     
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    agreed .... the power and sting of his FH has gone down considerably ... and really don't think it has to do with the surface ... yeah, he'll get more help on the faster ones, but he's blasted his way through with his FH on surfaces slower than this in the past ....
     
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  27. federer_fan90

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    Fed has one bad match and he's written off yet again! He thrashed Murray at the WTF on a a faster court only a couple of months ago and looked imperious, remember? Amazing how short-term people's memories are! Fed also had no chance of another slam, according to TT, last year after he lost to Nadal in the AO semi-final.

    Murray played better on the day and should have considering his age and cakewalk draw to the semi's. Nothing at all against Andy here, he totally deserved to win, it's just frustrating how often people have written Fed off for the last 3/4 years.
     
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  28. federer_fan90

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    His footwork really looked off yesterday. Perhaps his back wasn't 100%? Or maybe the GOAT just had an off day. A few more hours in the gym getting physically stronger probably wouldn't hurt him. At least he'll have more chance to do that this season with his reduced schedule.
     
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  29. TheFifthSet

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    Federer is still BY FAR the best server of the top 4.
     
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    It was cold, he had mobility issues and he hadn't played for a long time before the tournament. If those were the reasons for the poor serving, weak forehand and defensive play then there's hope. If not then that's the end of his slam career.
     
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  31. jones101

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    So peak condition Murray, who hadnt dropped a set needs 5 sets to get past 31 yo Fed, who was coming off a tough 5 setter himself and Fed needs to retire???

    Lol so much stupidity on this board.
     
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    Nadals body has fallen apart, poor chico
     
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  33. Federer20042006

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    His movement was undoubtedly ****-poor, but that doesn't explain why nearly every forehand he hit in rallies was landing short. He was a defensive player for the majority of the match...excluding when he came in.

    As I said in another thread, just about the only time he hits forehand winners now is on the first ball off a serve, when a player is in recovery and he goes to the area they vacated. He doesn't hit winners or point changing forehands anymore in rallies.

    At its current level, it's not even a Top 10 forehand.

    That said, even this version of Federer could win a slam if the draw opened up. He'd still good enough to find a way to beat anyone aside from the Big 3 on most occasions.
     
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  34. Blitzball

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    Fed's age is showing. Of course his forehand will decline, and this match showed it. How he pulled the match to 5 sets is a wonder. He had so many unforced errors it would've been unimaginable for someone who only knew Fed from 2004-2007
     
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  35. Dark Magician

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    The fh didnt seem to have the power. It was also not looking like "liquid whip forehand". Fed was very tentative in using it.
     
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  36. Raz11

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    Hate to imagine what it will be like by Rio 2016.
     
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  37. NEW_BORN

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    Maybe a two-hander?
     
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