New Boris Becker Puma/Power Beam/Estusa petition

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  1. MikeVolkl123

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    Ok, I am sick and tired of seeing tons of overpriced version of the classic Puma Super Boris Becker frame. I used that frame for over 15 years till they crumbled in my hands as "not wuite as good" Estusa models. So, Boris since you have the original mold and have the means to produce tennis rackets I ask all of those on this board to petiton Mr.becker to chrun out some new stock asap! Add some of your new delta core technology to them Boris, chrun out some oriiginals with your new color scheme...there is such an interest in the old frames this would surely be the biggest seller.
    Contact info I found. Anyone know of another way to contact? I believe there was a racket based website but I cannot locate it.

    Fan Mail Address:
    Boris Becker
    Cleven-Becker-Stiftung
    Ruessenstrasse 6
    6341 Baar
    Switzerland

    Secondary Address:
    Boris Becker
    Lübmedia GmbH
    Engelhardstr. 12
    81369 München
     
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  2. El Diablo

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    Strange that they stopped making them despite "such an interest."
     
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    I got BB´s cellphone number, want it?
     
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  4. MikeVolkl123

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    Sure, is it 1-800 idiot?

    :)
    Seriously
     
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  5. kuyaariel

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    I have some Estusa Power Beams that I'm looking to sell if anyone is interested
     
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    Boris is a crazy big-time capitalist. If he thought that he could make money on his old frames, he would produce them. Even though they are made in China, start-up costs are very expensive, even if you already have a mold. Producing 1,000 frames from an existing mold, will still put you in the red after manufacturing and selling all of the produced stock.
     
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  7. MikeVolkl123

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    I am

    Pics. Price etc..
    thx
     
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  8. MikeVolkl123

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    Price them right and they will sell like hotcakes

    You would be in the black in no time,
     
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  9. MikeVolkl123

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    He is maiking frames now so...

    Plop the mold into the shop and rev em up.
     
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    You would have to convince Boris or whomever, that they could sell more than a thousand, and then, more than enough that season, to make a profit, after overhead, including, numerous trips to Fujian.
     
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    Profit

    Well since he has tons of frames under his name that are on the cheap rack it might be time to consider the need for a different approach eh...:)
     
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  12. TennisMaverick

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    The London sells big-time, and so does the Sportster. With the cosmetic change, The Melbourne is poised to become a big seller as well. 3 outta 6 ain't bad.

    The PB 10 Mid in many ways plays similar to Boris' 50/50 Pumas, if you lead them up.
     
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  13. TennisMaverick

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    FYI: Boris does not own the patent on the frame. In fact, the design patent is probably over, so anyone can take the frame, make a mold, and start producing frames.
     
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    Sure. Do you have an email address I can send to so I can send you the photos?

     
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    Feel free to email me at kuyaariel@yahoo.com

     
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    Really I thought he had the mold?

    Where did you get that info? The Estusas are not the same mold as the Pumas.
     
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  17. MikeVolkl123

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    The Melbourne/ What frame is that?


    I never heard of the Boris becker Melbourne. Any pix or stats, links? Hmm I will have to demo that PB 10 Volkl. My last Volk were the 10 Mid VE's with tons of lead, had a similar feel to the Puma but more whippy. I am now using the Toms Machine Kneissl and have finally felt that same power flex that the Puma had, I also leaded up the sided and top on the Kneissl TM.
    Thx for all the info. I do not have a Boris Email addy btw.
     
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    From what I was told, the patent doesn't count, it's ownership of the mold which Puma gave him when he settled with them on owed payments.

    There was also a blurb on the boards some years ago about Becker and his famed racquet. Since he owned the molds, and prior to his interest in Volkl, and was still playing, he contacted Head in Austria. Head agree to run X number of frames off for him at a cost of roughly $25/frame.

    I just can't see startup costs being that prohibitive on a frame that already has the mold, the layup, and processing in place. Becker could run off 1000 frames and the etailers would buy them up I'd bet.
     
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  19. MikeVolkl123

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    Hi Rabbit...agreed

    Yes, I read he has the mold and in my mind he has the means to generate a frame with all of the Volkl/Boris Becker frames out there so what gives? A few months ago TW had some of those Head created frames for sale if I am correct>
     
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    I believe you're right. Becker could have them created. I think, if there's sufficient interest, your idea is a good one. You might have better luck contacting TW with the results of the survey since they would be able to guarantee Becker a sale. Further, I would ask TW for a tentative price and then see how many people are willing to prepay for a number of frames... If TW had a lot pre-sold, then they'd probably be able to push a little harder.

    This is not so far fetched as TW pushed Donnay's buttons with the International Series and even bigger, Prince's. Prince ran off a batch of POG OS and MS for TW.
     
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  21. TennisMaverick

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    You must not do any business with Chinese manufacturers where all sticks are now made.

    Just before Thanksgiving, I had dinner with some Volkl execs, and I asked them about some C10 Pro Tours which I was/am selling. They told me that they wanted to bring that stick back, because it is the most asked for stick that they have ever produced for the US market, and used sticks sell for $150 each. It was already, a SMU when first produced, and if they wanted a run of 1,000 today, sales of those sticks would not cover the cost of manufacture. So whatever Boris was quoted BITD, is no longer relevant.

    If you guys are really serious, get a NOS, strip the paint, and use it as a male pattern and make a mold. Lay-ups back then were not very sophisticated; you could probably figure it out by cutting another stick cross-sectionally. His stick was 50/50, fiberglass/graphite. So with two sticks, you can start your own manufacture. A small domestic model maker here in the USA could do that work for you with a non-metal mold for up to 1,000 units without a problem.
     
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  22. MikeVolkl123

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    How do I do those things?

    Like create an actual poll, get in touch with someone at TW???
     
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    Revolutionary idea!

    I am going to do some researching my friends, see how a mold can be created etc...now anyone want to donate a NOS Becker Super? lol!
     
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  24. TennisMaverick

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    Even if you have an old one, the model maker can adjust for the deformities due to any deep head wear from surface contact. BITD, prototype frames were made from latex molds, which are cheap.
     
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    1. i think i remember tw in talks with bringing it back in limited production a few years ago (may have been before becker line?) but they changed their mind..

    2. i dont think enough ppl would buy them for it to be cost efficient. i dont think agassi's reissued radical sold very well and hes more popular. also the frame is outdated technology and the headsize is small so i think only mostly boris fans would buy it but not many ppl would really play with it


    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=249877&highlight=estusa

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=150717&highlight=estusa
     
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  26. TennisMaverick

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    Check-out the Melbourne Thread.
     
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    That would be my suggestion. TW would be able to tell you if it was a viable option or not. They have plenty of contacts. Pacific is apparently bringing back the old Stich model (there is a thread on that as well) and that couldn't have been cost prohibitive since they already had the 'formula'. And, the old Vacuum 90 had a wood racquet-like grommet which is even more costly. Again, from what I've been told, the grommets are where the money is, not the frames in relation to manufacture.

    Becker's Head run were identical to what he played with from Puma, even the screw in the handle (which was non-functional). The cost then was $25/racquet; even if it's $50/racquet now (which I severly doubt it would be), he could turn them at a nice profit as well as TW.
     
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  28. tennistiger

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    The Head Mold is NOT identical to the Puma and Estusa. At 5 and 7 clock position the Head is a bit wider (looking from above and not from the side). Thickness of the beam is also 1mm more than the Puma. The Heads had a foam grip with buttcap and the pumas the complete adjustable standard grip 5.
     
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  29. MikeVolkl123

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    Auction site shows several at very high prices


    Respectufully I do not think the Agassi Head Radical roll out compares as you can get them el cheapo now a days so
     
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