New coach for Roddick

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  1. grimmbomb21

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    Has anyone else seen on andyroddick.com that andy dumped goldfine as his official coach and is having his brother take over?

    Anyway, read the article and let the opinions start.:twisted:
     
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    I've always hear that he was supposed to be the Tennis Star. We'll have 2 see, I still think no one will do what Brad did.
     
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    he dumped gilbert when he lost only to rf, now he dumped this one because he lost to most of the guys, next time................
    a rod is the "I won" but "we lost" guy.
    he certainly didn't work hard enough on the holesss of his game, approach, volley, backhand, footwork.............
     
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    If it ain't broke, don't fix it. So it should work the other way around too. Whoever Andy goes to now he must be clear in his head what game he's trying to play. If it's a return to the all out high energy high aggression game of a couple of years ago then you'd wonder why he doesn't go back to Brad - they seemed well suited.
     
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  5. Max G.

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    Didn't he not give a reason for breaking up with Brad in the first place?

    Maybe they just didn't get along - after all, putting up with Brad year-round is quite a task in itself ;)
     
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  6. legolas

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    his brother? lol
     
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  7. Fee

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    You regularly read AR.com? What's your username?
     
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  8. VGP

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    Perhaps this is the only coach/player relationship that will satisfy the Roddick camp.

    It's easy to blame others when things aren't going well. This time it's family.
     
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    grimmbomb...I think. And yes, I go to Safin and Roddicks websites almost every day......Sad, ain't it?;)
     
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    Not sure Max G - from memory they were both very tight lipped about the whole thing and just wanted to move on. No idea if they did fall out but from the results and the way they seemed to get on I got the impression it was a team that worked. Andy might be able to add bits to his game but his basic wiring means he's going to play close to how he has played over the years. To date Brad is the one who has helped Andy to the best results with that game ... whether they get back together I've no idea, but there'll be some about these parts who will. I wish A-Rod well, it would fun to see him going deeper at the slams. Arguably grass is his best surface ... how odd does that sound?
     
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    i thought this was a joke when i first read it but, i can't believe that roddick i having his brother take over as his coach???

    roddick just needs to eat crow, admit he made a mistake, and go beg brad gilbert (as annoying and opinionated as he may be) to be his coach again!!! their results together speak for themselves. roddick's results without gilbert also speak for themselves unfortunately. in history, noone will care whether they got along as long as they acheive results!

    i like roddick and i truly hope things work out for him under his brother's tutelage (his brother does seem qualified) but it seems to me that he is reaching for straws - i hope i am wrong!!
     
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    No, its not sad. You're a devoted tennis fan. :)
     
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    Interesting article.

    Roddick should really pattern his game on Agassi's. With his serve, it should really set up easy second shots. He needs to step up to the baseline and control play. He lets the other guys push him around.

    As to his image, well it seems he's become too country club.
     
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    Gilbert's an overrated, conniving little weasel. He failed to improve low ranked players and he certainly did very little for Roddick. He treated Roddick like a brainless, 155 mph serving, slow moving redneck. Brad was shocked that he couldn't con Roddick into paying him $millions more in 2005.

    You wouldn't criticize much about good coaches like Paul Annacone, Lansdorf, Nadal's uncle and Sampras' coach.

    After the US Open title, Roddick DIDN'T work on court positioning and netgame on hardcourt, grass and EXPECIALLY clay. With the recent coaches, Roddick did nothing. He was a little lucky to win 6 titles when the top players were injured and were way off form in 2003.
     
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    something of this coming after his lost in US and AUS open
     
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    his brother was with in last year wim.. and he made it to final.. so it was started way back...
     
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    What? Nobody's even bothered to post the link to the AndyRoddick.com article?

    http://www.andyroddick.com/team-roddick-update/
    After heartfelt deliberations last Thursday with Dean Goldfine, Andy has decided to bring his older brother, John Roddick, on the road as his traveling coach. Dean, who has traveled with Andy since December of 2004, will remain an integral member of Team Roddick, contributing to Andy’s growth in a consultant position. Dean currently resides in South Florida with his wife and two young children, not far from the Roddick’s home in Boca Raton. The specific responsibilities of Dean’s new advisory role in Team Roddick are to be determined but Andy is very enthusiastic and appreciative for Dean’s continued guidance.

    Starting this weekend at the Davis Cup match in La Jolla, California, John Roddick will accompany Andy as his official coach. No stranger to the tennis circuit, John was an All-American tennis player at the University of Georgia from 1996 to 1998. Since 2002 John has served as the Director of the Roddick-Moros International Tennis Academy in San Antonio, Texas both training and traveling with top ITF juniors.

    In addition to a strong tennis background, John inspires a level of drive and motivation in Andy achievable by few others. Andy has always attributed his fighting spirit to the encouragement of his family and having John as a traveling coach offers the ideal combination of brother and mentor. Andy’s strong emphasis on family already extends to his professional relationships. He has achieved great success working with those close to kin. Parents, Blanche and Jerry, are the Chairmen of the Andy Roddick Foundation and sister in law Ginger is Andy’s publicist.

    Ar.com extends a huge welcome to John and we look forward to hearing from him throughout the season. As always, check back to ar.com for news on Team Roddick.
     
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    I wonder how long it will be until he fires his brother...
     
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  20. slice bh compliment

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    Re: Brad and Andy
    Wow! BRAD GILBERT was tight lipped about something?

    Kidding. Know what you mean. He was in damage control mode the moment the story broke.

    Well, hopefully AR finds what he's looking for.
     
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  21. pound cat

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    That could be a while as I get the feeling he has no idea what he's looking for or what it is that will improve his game. He needs someone he respects to say somehting to him at a receptive moment...a timely conversation.
     
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    I think you're right. He's digging deep in the trenches now.

    Wilander (or other good European) might bring a new perspective.
    He's too much of an icon in North America, coaches are probably afraid to deal with him level.
     
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    They have retained goldfine as a consultant. I think they are waiting for AA to retire to get his coach.
     
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    That would be a good move too.
     
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    I think Roddick was on the right road with Gilbert. He certainly posted his best results with that combo.
     
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    Is this some sort of joke? Talk about a sign of desperation. :rolleyes:
    Anyway whatever Roddick tries it wont stop his free fall. He has been passed by by both Federer and Nadal, he wont beat either of these two guys agian, except Nadal on grass, and alot of younger guys are catching up and will soon pass him by. He will be a top 10 player a long time, with a shot at top 5, but that is it. He could win a Wimbledon, and another U.S Open before he retires if he avoids the big guns, but that is the best he can hope for.
     
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    wouldn't mind a free fall including a Wimby ...
     
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    He cant pattern his game on Agassi's..he doesnt have the keen hand/eye, cant hit it on the rise, is slower than AA, etc etc. It's one thing to tell someone to play a certain style, but means nothing when they dont have the capacity to play in that style. Roddick is a big lumbering guy and is limited in the ways he can play T. I think his ame peaked a couple years ago and now he is just hanging on

    Also many seem to overrate the value of a coach. The player makes himself a better player and the coach doesnt. Sometimes a coach can even impede the development of a player if the wrong coach
     
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  29. Moose Malloy

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    http://www.tennisreporters.net/sub_roddick_011106.html

    I love this:

    "What hasn't been said is, even if Roddick had made a nice run in New York and the campaign hadn't evolved into a joke, the commercials still would have been a head-scratcher. In the commercial, Roddick awkwardly clubs forehands and backhands into the bottom of the net. He comes across as uncoordinated and un-athletic.

    Can you remember a commercial where Kobe Bryant or LeBron James foolishly brick jump shots or back-rim slam dunks, the equivalent of this commercial? Can you recall an ad where Derek Jeter or Albert Pujols clumsily swing and whiff at the plate? Can you think of any advertisement where the athlete was made to look so bad in the sport that's their profession?"

    That's because he really is that uncoordinated & unathletic, lol
     
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  30. Fee

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    Oddly, the story that was posted on AR.com last night has disappeared from the website.
     
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  31. splink779

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    What he should do is hire a REAL COACH!!! BG was his first bigtime coach, (not saying he should go back) and it worked great while it lasted. Remember not only did he help Roddick dominate the 03 hard court season, but he helped him get to the point where he was playing brilliantly in the finals of wimbledon 2004.

    He should go for some bigger names, more reputable coaches. Hell, Nick Bolliteri (although I detest him) could help him a ton. Safin had the right idea, he hired Fed's old coach and is quite competitive against Roger nowadays.

    Andy, wake up and take this seriously.
     
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    Good post Splink. I just don't know what to think of this coaching change. Very curious to see him in San Jose, if he can defend his title with Hewitt and Agassi there.
     
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  33. roddick_rulz

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    he's trying to find his mojo again. It's a good start!
     
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  34. Moose Malloy

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    You guys really place too much importance on coaches in pro tennis. They can only take you so far(& really don't do much, you should read Gimelstob's blog to see how much of a joke coaching on the tour is)

    Can you even name the coaches of the the top 10 players? Who coaches Nalbandian, Coria, Ljubicic, Gaudio, Ferrero, Nadal(his uncle, right?)? Are they "big name coaches?" Do they all have pro level experience? I remember that a fat smoker coached Corretja. And the fat dude that coached Kafelninov (or Medvedev?) And these guys had pretty good careers.

    Would you even know who Peter Lundgren was, if he wasn't Federer's former coach? Is he just a big name now because he coached Federer?
    I get the sense that outside of Brad Gilbert (who happens to be a commentator for espn & one the biggest self promoters in tennis)& a few other names, most on these boards couldn't name more than 5 reputable pro coaches, tops. And yet everyone's an expert on who would help Roddick.
    Please tell me who are all these real coaches. Are they the guys that coached McEnroe, Kuerten, Wilander, Korda, Bruguera, Stich? Cause I really don't remember who did.
     
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    The real problem here is not the coach (s). Andy is as good as he is going to get, for the most part. He is not the world class athelete, in terms of shear talent, that many of the other top pros seem to be. He has world class tennis ability, but that is not enough in todays mens game, to remain at or near the top. I can't see how any fundimental improvement in his game will help significantly. A very good example of this was the Bagdatis match. Marcus is a far better athelete, given somewhat even tennis skills, the better athelete will usually win. You can tell Andy he needs a better return of serve, better backhand, etc., but it won't help if he can't actually see the ball better, move quicker, have perfect hand-eye coordination, etc. Standing way back on the baseline is a tactic used to gain time, to catch up to the ball, he simply can not play on or near the baseline like Marcos did because he is not capable of executing consistently wihout the extra time. No doubt he will hang in the top 10-15, but top 5 by the end of 2006 is unlikely.
     
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    right. from curious to curiouser.
     
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    Rodick is not that good and has a long way to go and develop. His ego is his enemy but he should forget that, get down on his knees and pray to Gilbert that he saves his career. However, that wont happen and I think we have already seen the best of Rodick.
     
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  38. slice bh compliment

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    Yeah, good call -- I have read Gimel's Blog.
    However,
    Javier Duarte (nicknamed DuDu) was the fat smoker who took care of AJ Corretja. The guy was not just a smokestack, but also a good player and a brilliant tactician. So let's not come down too hard on him just 'cause you had not heard of him or that he has not got a big name in North America.
    Peter Lundgren was a very strong professional player from Sweden. He has played thrilling matches against the likes of Ivan Lendl. He is considered a 'name' coach on any continent.
     
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  39. Moose Malloy

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    Yeah, I know who Lundgren is. I remember him beating Cash at a night match at the Open one year. Considering the age of the majority of the posters here, its safe to say most had no idea who Lundgren was before he started coaching Fed.

    Good point on Duarte(did he really play on tour?), which kinda proves my point. Just because you're not a "name," doesn't mean you can't do a decent job. Gilbert & Bolliteri are celebrities, not just coaches. John Roddick may be just as good a coach for Roddick as they were. Chang's brother seemed to do a pretty good job.
     
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  40. slice bh compliment

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    Hey Moose,
    I do not know if Javier Duarte actually played the Slams. I am guessing he played the qualies of everything, though, and lots of smaller events all over Europe. I only knew him through a guy I used to hit with who played the circuit during the last days of disco and the early days of new wave. He remembers DuDu fondly. Cool guy. I saw him feed a few at Indian Wells the year Corretja won it, and also at the recent US vs Spain DC tie. Truly great feel. Short, choppy strokes (at least for a Spaniard). But then again, he is from another era....and he's a coach with a box of balls.
     
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  41. Count Grishnackh

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    I agree with everything except for the not being in the top 5 by the end of 2006. Federer and Nadal will take up so many of the points that Roddick will still be in the top 5 by year's end. Assuming Hewitt goes in the direction of 2003 (at least from what I'm seeing so far), Safin is still unpredictable and Agassi won't play enough events to get back into the top 5 unless he wins either Wimby or the US Open Roddick is still top 5. You take away Hewitt, Safin, Agassi and you don't have guys that are consistently good enough to remain top 5 (except Nalbandian), please don't mention clay court specialists (Coria, Gaudio, etc.). The jury is still out on Baghdatis, Gasquet, Monfils, Murray and so on. These can play ball but are they ready to set up shop in the top 5 in 2006? Blake and Ginepri are not top 5 material, sure both had nice summer runs last year but both didn't make it that far in any other slam appearance before or since.
     
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    Two words: Richard Williams!

    [Sarcasm]Way to go, Andy. You've id'd the problem and have taken corrective action. Goldfine completely let you down against Big Daddy. It was obvious to all of us watching the match. I saw him come out of the stands and show you how far behind the baseline to stand. And he's world renowned for telling his pupils "pros don't need a return of serve and a backhand?"[/Sarcasm]
     
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    Ginepri looked great at Indianapolis because as soon as Roddick received a horrendous call and gave excuses ("I wasn't practicing much." "Ginepri beat everyone easily!"), he decided to designate Ginepri the hero, and champion. Roddick enjoys choking because tennis isn't a serious job to him. Nothing new. I don't think he would read any logical forum posts.
     
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    Moose Malloy and others make a good case that too much is attributed to the coach by some fans and analysts. While I agree with that in general, I think Gilbert's positive influence on Roddick was exceptional.

    I remember being surprised and impressed by the new maturity and match toughness exhibited by AR after he hired BG. This was a dramatic improvement in a relatively short time and, of course, we know the results they achieved -- very quickly.

    And we know the dropoff in results and maturity of play that occurred after they parted ways.
     
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    Imo, this article/announcement shows some flawed thinking. If the author is sincere in writing, "... John inspires a level of drive and motivation in Andy achievable by few others. Andy has always attributed his fighting spirit to the encouragement of his family ..." (and not just being diplomatic or nice), Team Roddick is missing the major contribution BG made to AR's tennis, namely, providing Roddick with a very specific game plan going into each match -- tailored to whoever the opponent was. BG had some way of really imprinting the game plan onto AR's brain, and it worked.

    Andy needs brother John to do something very similar for him. Drive and motivation and fighting spirit are necessary but not sufficient. Andy sorely needs a coach who will scout opponents and develop winning game plans with him and make sure they stick in his mind when he's in the heat of battle.

    I hope John can make a real difference. Would be great to see.
     
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    I agree. For the most part he didn't complain about line calls because he was really focused on the task at hand. Now it seems like he gets a call he "thinks" was wrong, and he acts like, "Why are you doing this to me?? Do you know who I am??"

    It really pains me to watch it, actually. It just seems more like he is just going through the motions when he is on the court. But you know that's not true, or else he wouldn't be seeking help from so many different people.

    I call it, "The Fed Effect".;)

    Roddick and Hewitt both have(had) games that could hang with anybody. But when both former number ones realize their games won't cut it against the new #1, they start going outside their comfort zone. Then everything gets shot straight to hell!!
     
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    BG is like, soooo two years ago. :p I'm kidding; I do agree with you that Gilbert was the extra push that Andy needed in 2003 (but ultimately it might have been a clash of personalities that led to their break-up). I think the article's failings stem from the fact that they're trying to talk up John's new role as coach. In any case, they're probably rewriting the article, which is why it's gone from the website. The cat's out of the bag already, though.
     
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    How are you going to execute game plans when you don't drop some weight and reduce the excessive weight training routines (it slows down a tennis player who's over 6'2" 195 pounds)? It's common knowledge that players from Europe and South America are harder working and better trained on all surfaces. Roddick's not from an intelligent family like Nadal, Federer and Hingis.
    He plays with no heart and little ambition. He rarely spends tiresome hours on the court.

    Everyone's on the Gilbert bandwagon. How many 80th ranked players has he turned into mental giants and top 10 players?
    Even if Gilbert is Agassi's coach, and Agassi's still 25 years old, Agassi wouldn't be good enough to win slams against Nadal, Safin, etc.
     
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  49. Hewitt rulez

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    I think it would be cool if Agassi became Roddick's coach.
     
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    huh? not from an intelligent family? because he's american?

    it's "common knowledge" that players from europe and south america are harder working and better trained on all surfaces?

    well most of the americans i know are not slackers and are very hard-working! please don't make sweeping generalizations just because federer and clisjters happen to be #1 right now. were all the players from other countries slackers when sampras, agassi, and the williams sisters were ruling the tennis world?? Geez!
     
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