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  1. 10istalent

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    So my blue chip daughter switched coaches. It was an easy transition. However, she has always won based on her power and aggressiveness. Old coach encouraged this type of game. My girl is strong and tall and athletic. New coach says she has a one dimensional game. He wants to add more slice, drop shots, rally balls to give her more of a game. We watched Ana konjuh and she has variety. What do you think? Change game or keep what works? She is 14 now. Will she need more for college or just keep pounding and placing the ball?
     
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    I think what your new coach is trying to point out is, playing the aggressive, power game is only going to get her so far. He wants your daughter to keep the power and aggressive nature of her game, while adding variety to keep her opponents guessing.
     
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    Adding more weapons to her arsenal would surely make her a better player. My son and I stopped by the G18 site of the winter national to cheer for his friend. I saw many girls played like your daughter, hitting hard. A few girls mixed in moon balls and slices. Very few hit heavy spin balls like most B18 would do. I also noticed that many girls missed opportunities of finishing points at the net. If they came in, they were more likely to hit swing volleys from behind the service line. Townsend is so good because she has a beautiful net game.
     
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  4. TennisCoachIN

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    The more tools in bag the better :) will be a positive move. As time goes by she will face girls just like her, so what will separate them. Add the variety now, in the future she will happy she did.
     
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    An all court game is the best game to have if it suits her tennis personality. It takes longer to learn but, it's so much more fun to play when you have options.
     
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    The trick is to keep your opponent off balance and a variety of shots will surely help to do that.
     
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    Absolutely true. If you want ur kid to develop into a high level player, stay away from tcf.
     
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    rgwarren. I'm just curious. I know you have stated that AD has been playing since 3, which she is almost 12 now. So let's say almost 8 years of playing. What is the plan to improve on her serve, if she does not take time off of tournments?

    8 years with her serve, you have to admit is going to be a very tough habit for her break without some kind of break. I only want to see the best for anybody's kid, so this is why I'm asking. Thanks
     
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  10. 10istalent

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    The only thing is, she associates the variety with junk. She plays the net a lot, being tall she has great coverage, but she wants to be in the court hitting on the rise. She is impatient. I told her she needs to trust her coach, which is a whole other issue after the lying last one. She has been studying some federer videos and is starting to get it, but I know she doesn't believe it overal. She said women vs men are different.
     
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  11. TennisCoachIN

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    It will take some time for her to realize an all court game will have more advantages. She is right men and women's game are different. But ask her does she want to be like every other junior girl out there or does she want to try and separate herself with variety.
     
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    I wouldnt worry so much about the slices and drop shots and adding too much variety. I would keep the power game and continue to work on hitting her targets. I would also work on the serve and return and make those parts of her game top notch weapons.
     
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    My player was very one dimensional as a young player , pretty much what you described , he now has a lot more variety in his game an we are constantly looking to add more , this new coach sounds like he is on track just watch it closely
     
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    Brad dont worry about variety... Deit needs to be focused on serve,returns, and point construction
     
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  17. Number1Coach

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    I agree but his power get him in trouble , probably like the OP player is experiencing , he could have finished some of his OB matches a lot easier with off speed approach shots and drop shots ,

    So the OP is heading in the right direction , they don't want to base their whole game on it but mix it in for sure
     
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  18. Number1Coach

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    Rg calm down he shot my player down for years and now he's scratching his head trying to figure out how he is the top recruit in the land and when my player is In the top 10 ATP he will come up with something like I had secret coaching , just sit back and have a laugh and let's focus on the OP question
     
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  19. 10istalent

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    I really appreciate everyone's personal experience and opinion. Thanks
     
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  20. 10ismom

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    Have her watch Kvitova play. She is tall, has great serves and aggressive groundstrokes. She often finishes points at the net.
    I'm sure you know she won wimbledon but has had shaky results after that. I still love her game and think it will be a good example for your daughter.
     
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    Since you will get as many answers as there are posters and you seem to have a good understanding of the game, take your daughter to as many college matches as you can starting now. That way you can see what is happening in the college game first hand and she/you/coach can decide if you want to bring in new parts to her game or not. Never too early to check out colleges, just do it during season so you can catch a match. Since she is blue chip, check out any D1 college match anytime you can.

    Hey TCF - do you ever feel like McMurphy? :) I get it and so do a lot of good posters that have bailed this forum. Just sayin'.
     
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  22. TennisCoachIN

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    What happened to TCF and rgwarren??
     
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  23. ga tennis

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    Lovers quarrel...
     
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  24. TennisCoachIN

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    Crazy stuff...
     
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  25. TennisCoachIN

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    Ga...my daughter has much better hold rhythm now on her forehand thanks for looking at it last month
     
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    AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  27. Number1Coach

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    Do you know if she put on size between and Wibledon and present?
     
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  28. Soianka

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    Looks like TCF was banned.

    At least we won't have to see him deleting posts every other day anymore.
     
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  29. 10ismom

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    "Size" is a touchy issue for women....I don't know if that's what happened. She had won some titles after the Wimbledon, I believe but just not doing that well in other grand slams.
     
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  30. andfor

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    Or bringing up the same old fight with Brad every day. It's been going on for three or four years and he's been making the same points over and over and over. Insanity man, it really is. Other than that he has a lot of good qualities.
     
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  31. ga tennis

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    Brad loves to fight!! He's an x boxer.
     
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    Glad to the the rgwarren person gone. Not TCF though.
     
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    I really hope rg was kin to Abby if not he sounds like a psycho stalker. He has to be her father why else would anyone care that much about an 11year old girl.
     
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  35. Number1Coach

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    Height!! i forgot i am dealing with Americans , did you hear Sloan call Serena disrespectful for saying ''come on'' ? the over sensitive here in the USA needs to be hung up if we stand a chance .
     
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  36. Number1Coach

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    what are you smoking ? He blast kids all the time starting with Jan Silva , Alexa Jones, was starting on Abby but thank you he was cut short before he really got rolling on her and it wasn't going to be long before he was blasting their dreams !!
    As for DB he was on him since the beginning with his D2 predictions, chicken leg comments ,not going any where failing to make money and wont !!

    Let me ask TBALL2day how long does someone slam on yours before you finally strike back full force to get their attention ??

    Then he says If my kid is not at the local mall being a stud "definition Male breeder" like a quarterback is then he is nothing !!!

    Think about his record and attack on parents and kids and their dreams something I have not done , so please get real pal , so your not offended just my opinion !!!!

    BTW tcf was not always right, not a D2 player highest recruit , would get wiped out at the big ITF events left the top Croatian player in "Tears" in the 3 rd set yes tears , No he was not always right just regurgitated info but never did anything close to what I have accomplished and thats why I don't need to blast others dreams as he did !!!

    I have wish the best to all and their kids and their dreams you cant say that about him !!!

    Please lets move on .
     
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  37. arche3

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    You were just as harsh as tcf in your posts. Tcf did offer good tennis insight for us here and it was obvious he knows tennis coaching. And rgwarren deserved what he got because he was a troll. Nothing to do with abi. You offered advice to all here as well. And your in deep with db trying to make a dent for american tennis. It is my opinion it takes obsessed parents to make a tennis champion.
    Rg warren was all bragging and insults to others when we gave our opinion. He never gave any shred of tennis knowledge other than he is the best and noone else knows any better and we were inferior. People like him do not belong in public forums. Did you notice all the different aliases? I suspect there is at least one alias still left. He cannot help himself and will reveal his trolling soon enough if still hiding here.
     
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  38. 10ismom

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    Sorry OP for getting off topic.
    I watched most of that QF Brisbane. Sloan put on a good show and it was a close match. She lost 4 and 3. Serena had to work hard for each point if she didn't ace or earned it easily from serves. She yelled loud c'mon and put her fist pump in Sloan 's face several times. I think it is unnecessary and agreed it was disrespectful.
    She could have put the fist pump the other way and not yelling that loud. Remember she created a hindrance for Stosur because of the loud c'mom before.

    The dynamics....Serena is 12 years older, multi GS winners and Sloan had nothing to lose that match. Serena acted like she was for fear of losing. She looked like she bullied this younger player (they're friends and she's Sloan's mentor). It worked and Sloan played shaky when she complained about disrespectful.
    Serena tried to lighten things up at the end, like she always did after her misbehavior, saying Sloan played well and has great potential to be a GS champion.
     
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    You're spot on about the fist pumps and com'ons. Serena doesn't need to do it. But she does. Respectfully, you're dead wrong about Serena having nothing to lose. She's clearly expected to win on every level. Sloan should have not said anything about the fist pumps. Keep it to herself and within her camp and use it as motivation. Sloan has exposed a weakness to being bothered by antics that should not bother a pro. You think other pros won't try to bother her in future matches? This is the pros, it's a job not the Juniors. Pros will probe for weaknesses and they all are not just physical, the mental game is part of it. If she's going to take it personal her road to excellence will only be longer.

    I don't agree with any of Serena's antics over the years. All I'm saying here is just because Sloan and Serena are friends and Americans does not mean that Serena is not going to go any easier on her in a real match. As a matter of fact Sloan should ber thankful for the beating, acknowledge she was bothered by something that should not bother her, be proud of her own effort, learn from this to be tougher going forward.
     
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  40. rptennis

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    Outstanding post!
     
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  41. Soianka

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    Except he is not right and he kept moving the bar each time he was proven incorrect in his predictions.

    Also, TCF has said some pretty foul things about other people's kids on a repeated basis.
     
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  42. Soianka

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    It's bizarre. Who would want their kid being the local "stud" ??

    It's better for a teenager to live a somewhat more protected/sheltered life and have time to grow up and be able to make better choices as far as it comes to dating, etc than to be the most popular kid in town who ends up as teenage parent.
     
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    Yes, Sloane should have kept it to herself. She just showed her opponent a huge weakness in her mental toughness.

    And yes, you definitely have more to lose when you are already at the top. It must be tremendous pressure trying to stave off the next crop of young Americans and hold your top position as an aging athlete (even though the next crop of young players are not that good yet).
     
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  44. Number1Coach

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    want to get back on topic but let me shed some light here , last year we were at IMG and DB was playing a guy 120 atp in baseline games it became evident the guy was making bad line calls and because it was practice we Db and myself kinda laughed until the Old Man walked up to DB and ask do you see this and DB said yes then the Old Man said FACE TO FACE with DB " boy you need to get more selfish out here " cause the best will go to the edge of whats wrong to win if they can" he wasnt avocating cheating but was making a point of what it takes !!! Serena has multiple GS because she comesout with a fu attitude and doesnt let anyone or thing bother her .
     
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    And the thing about Serena being nice after the match, like it or not that's part of being a pro. Off the court they may be your friend on the court in a real match they are not your friend. Wouldn't suprise me if Serena wants the best for Sloan and wants to see her get to the top. but that road ain't going through Serena as long as she's still playing. Yea, it's cut-throat, antics aside, like it or not it's the pros.

    Some players are Edburg's and Evert's with sportsmanship, some are McEnroe's and Henin's that's why we have our favorites and watch the game.
     
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  46. Number1Coach

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    Back to the OP he should really look to add the drop shot and off pace approaches cause most players are camped by the back fence half the time and cant get foreword fast enough to track and off speed approach hit short .
     
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    Andfor......please reread my post # 38 I said Sloan had nothing to lose in that matchup and Serena acted up because she didn't want to lose.

    Anyhow, lesson learned for the youngster about staying mentally strong. Unfortunately, Serena didn't want to improve in some aspects.
     
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  48. 10ismom

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    I agree. 10stalent, please look at Janowicz's sickening drop shots in YouTube. He's a big guy, big serve, bashing balls but has the touch shots to keep opponents guessing.
     
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    Duly noted with apologies. I often post from my phone and miss things I shouldn't if was at a PC. That's my lesson learned for the day. :)
     
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    That's alright. At least misreading made you posted good points.
     
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