New Donnay X-Series - My Thoughts

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  1. Kal-El 34

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    ive had 2 of my clients hang up their blx90's for black 94's. this was before the dual cores came out as well. A fellow pro of mine was using the n90's (the same ones im trying to sell for him in the class. section) and he is using the blue 94 now. i can't really give in depth thoughts / feelings on what they think but i know all of them seem to be happy with their decisions.
     
  2. sunnyIce

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    what? you are saying long time users of the 90 series are now playing 18x20? really?
    i wouldn't have bet on that. just doesn't fit.

    thanks for your reviews tho. enjoyed reading them.
     
  3. otteridiz

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    Platinum 94 vs 99

    First, let me state that all of this info on the Donnay's is awesome. So I appreciate every one's posts.

    I am used to hitting with 98-100" racquets (most recently 100")... I am looking for more control these days, so I have been demoing thinner beamed, more control oriented racquets. As I have stated in an earlier post the Dunlop Bio 200+ is at the top of my list right now. And I was about to buy a few (at a great price) until I ran across the Donnay's. I will be demoing the x-series (red/blue 99) this weekend (along with the Dunlop 200 lite).

    If I like them a good amount better than the 200+ (or 200 lite) I might bight the bullet and get the platinum 99... but if the 94 is basically the same with more control it might be the smarter buy? So even though I am demoing the x-series, I would probably go the Platinum, because it appears the dual-core is a step up for most people. But it is not simple to demo the dual-cores right now.

    If the difference in my game is not that significant I may have to stick with the Dunlops b/c of the price I can get them at.

    Can anyone give me suggestions? Directly compare the two?
     
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    Dunlop 2 and 300s fit into 2 categories :

    Light and easy to swing with no heaviness on your shots.

    Heavy and slow to swing...basically weighing 12ozs but feeling 12.8ish...very very low power.

    The 200 lite is a very popular stick, but you will see that hitting big and hitting hard is not very easy with them. I have hit with some guys that own them, and that is their main complaint.

    The Donnays swing far easier but you can hit heavy, heavy shots. I have a dual core plat 99 coming. It may be the 18x20 grail stick for me. the 16x20 Black 99 is a fantasy for me on clay. I like it on hard court as well, but I used to struggle on clay a lot more before I got the Black. It just allows me to hit deep consistently, where I used to overhit too much. The Black also generates very heavy spin for a 16x20.

    I really liked the dunlops a lot..just great racquets, but the Donnay Black is much better for my game and I am interested in seeing what the dual plats are all about. Dunlops have so little lower that if your opponent is not a big hitter, then you can exhaust yourself. They also do not serve nearly as wll as the Donnays. The Donnays gave me some of the biggest serves I have hit since I was 14 and doing 16 and unders.
     
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  5. otteridiz

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    ...good info, I haven't had much issue generating power with the 200 plus... and I am not a big guy. But I haven't really hit with a "heavy hitter" yet during the 200+ demo process. I guess I will hit with the Donnay's and the 200 plus this weekend and just see what plays better for me, nothing like personal experience I guess.

    The Donnay's feel odd to me just picking them up and swinging them freely... but maybe once I am on the court I will see what everyone here is liking so much. I hope so!
     
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    Yeah I have to say I dont know why donnay, or any mfg makes their 16's with 19 crosses, when 20 crosses is so much better. its one of the reasons I don't play with 16's, you give up to much control, 20X's gives enough back to make to playable (unless you are playing with a 90" or smaller)
     
  7. athleticstennis

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    I am new to the forum, and I have enjoyed the posts from all of you. I am eager for a review of the Dual Gold 99.
     
  8. Power Player

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    Welcome.

    Just got an email from Donnay that my dual plat has shipped. Expect a comparison between the Black and Dual platy some time next week.
     
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    Kal-El 34 playing style

    Kal-El 34,

    Again, I want to say thanks for all the info/reviews. I am sure this info is somewhere in this forum or on these boards, but I have read a lot and have not seen it yet... I am just wondering what type of player you are?

    You do a great job describing what you like better about one vs the other, but if I/we knew your playing style I think it would give everyone an even better idea of why you prefer one racquet slightly over another.

    Thanks!

    PS: if Kal-El doesn't catch this post and someone else on this forum knows already, I'd appreciate it if you re-iterated that information here.
     
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    Day 2 with the Platinum 94 and Silver 99

    Rather than go into detail....its official...Im in love with the Platinum 94 and we are getting married. This is the heaviest stick I have ever played with....but the weight is just addictive.

    I ordered three more but they only had two left!!! and the serial numbers were different .They should be getting a shipment of a thousand more next week.....but I just couldnt wait as the difference was really minimal.

    They explained that the 94 I had was 321 grams and the others were 320 grams. The balances were slight different ...I think he said 305,306, 307...he said it was milimeters and its really minute.

    Im really embarrased but I now have 4 whites , one silver and 4 Platinums. If anyone wants some whites at a really good price let me know....Im still on the fence with the silver because I sort of like it. I have now come full circle....I went from the lightest Donnay to the heaviest......really strange.

    If Donnay now comes out with a freaking triple core I am going to kill them!!
     
  11. Nadal = Borg

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    Ill bet you my white for your black that you will like the Dual core better.
     
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    White is way too light for me, I'd never use it. I could like the dual better, but I'm going to take my time on that decision..the black is NASTY.
     
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    I just got the Silver in the mail. Slapped on a leather grip and strung it up with WC Silverstring. Purely unintentional color combination for the frame and strings. Can't wait to hit with this baby! :D
     
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    Are the 94's closer to a 90-93 or a 95 sq in head size? Similarly, are the 99's closer to a 98-100 or a 95 sq in head size?

    Interested to hear all the impressions about the dual cores that folks are getting in...
     
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    Yeah me to...but I would bulk it up to play like the orange or red just so I could get a fee for it. The control on the White is sick.....the power level is horrible.

    I know what you mean about the black being NASTY....its the same with the Platinum. I cant wait till you try it!!
     
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    I dont know but I can tell you this....I agree with Kael ....on the platinum 94 it seems like you always hit the sweet spot but have the control of a small frame. I think Donnay is really on to something with this dual core stuff....
    I actually will go as far as to say its revolutionary.

    The racquet is not just stuffed with xenocore.....but its the first racquet ever where they were able to do this thing with the hoop. I didnt understand what the heck he was talking about....but I certainly can see the effect.

    Ka-el ....do you know what John was talking about with the hoop design?
     
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    Just came back from hitting with the Silver and I can't believe how good it felt. This thing is rock solid, and I mean that in a good way, not the super stiff way. I didn't really believe it when some of you said that the sweet spot is huge on these. IT IS. No harshness on shanks at all and the frame was quite stable as well. Very comfortable.

    I've hit with some of the original X-Series (Black 94/99, Blue 99, Red 99, and White) previously and did notice what people are saying about the flex of those frames. You either like it or you don't. I actually quite liked the flexy feeling, but after playing with the Silver, I'm sold on this Dual Core technology. The racquet just feels more solid and crisp on impact, not to mention the huge sweet spot.
     
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    After reading all the great things about the 94 platinum I'm pretty positive that I will purchase one as soon as I can get together the cash!

    I'm curious if anyone could refer me to a PRORATE ID for the Donnay Website.

    Thanks to all for the providing the information about these frames in this thread!
     
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    I used to play with the k90, but wanted something less demanding and switched to the PDRGT. Now I think I want something with more feel, control, and a less hollow feel, but I do like that power! I play all court, singles and doubles, so something good at the net and the baseline is important. I am interested in the blue 99 and the platinum 99. How would these rackets compare with my prior ones?

    Thanks.

    Joe
     
  20. tlm

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    What do you mean the control on the white is sick, but the power level is horrible?
     
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    I hit with the red and blue 99 tonight. I can see what people mean when they say these racquets feel like a "weapon"... More so the Blue. I was over hitting with the Red too often.

    But I hit more consistently with the Dunlop 200 plus (especially returning serves). I specifically couldn't get a solid backhand (2 handed) going with either Donnay (which is my weaker wing). The Blue (and red) felt unstable for me when returning heavier shots. Wish I could try the Platinums to see if they are more stable/consistent for me, because I really love the feel of these racquets. I just hit a decent amount more consistently (with good power) with the Dunlop 200+.

    Maybe different strings (all poly, low-tension) would help? The demos are a hybrid string from TW. But changing the strings aren't really any option for me.

    I want to like these racquets, but I can get the Dunlops cheaper, and I am not sure I can wait on demos to be available for the dual-cores. I don't want to pay $200 for a racquet just to try it. And I don't know if I'd like the 94 or 99 in the Platinum. Also, once I buy a Dunlop (most likely several), I won't want to spend more money on a different racquet. This kind of stinks, but I'm rambling on now, so I'll end this post.

    Any suggestions are welcome.

    Good talk.
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    The white is so light and stiff that you can place the ball with pinpoint accuracy. The problem is that it's so light you lose a lot of power. So although your placement is great people can still get to it because the ball is just not being hit all that hard.

    But I personally would never play with an x series again. I would only use a dual core.

    Now that's just my opinion and a lot of you may disagree.......but I will bet that most people will just take one swing with the dual core and switch. You literally can feel the difference with just one swing.
     
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    Validation! Thanks bro!
     
  24. tlm

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    What dual core would be the closest to the white?
     
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    The difference is really noticeable. It ain't just a paintjob that's for sure haha.

    Silver Lite. There's 2 versions, a standard length and an extended length.
     
  26. tlm

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    What is the big difference? According to the website the dual cores are more powerful, for shorter swings. Is this true?
     
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    The original X-Series flexed more, which is why I think it felt underpowered to some people. For me, I thought the power level was just fine for my game. I have long strokes and the thin beams really cut through the air quite fast to produce a lot of racquet head speed. Even the heavier frames in the line are easy to swing.

    For me, what I think is the main difference between the X-Series and Dual Core lines is the feel. The X-Series has more feel. The Dual Cores have a bit more power.

    If you have short swings, you might wanna look elsewhere. The thin beams on these are begging you to generate fast racquet head speed.
     
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    Arm pain? That's so crazy! My buddy played with the Babolat APDC and always complained about pain after a day of hitting. Weird but true story, we found a Donnay raquet at our club, he loved the way it hit and now both him and I own a Donnay. He does not complain about his arm pain anymore.
     
  29. Nadal = Borg

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    That's tough to say because I have not played with the silver lite ( which Im dying to try), but on paper it looks like it solves the issues that the white had.

    The silver lite is the same weight as the white but it's a little longer. Therefore Using my logic it would have to be more powerful.


    There's only one guy I have seen on this board who used the silver lite.....and he started a thread called "duals" or seomthing? But he absolutely loved the silver lite.

    I have played with the silver and it's an incredible racquet but it's a bit heavier tan the white not by much though. It's just about as accurate and a bit more powerful. According to the website the silver is the most powerful and the most maneuverable racquet in the line.

    If I were you I would test both the silver and the silver lite. And please tell us your thoughts......I really would love to hear about the silver lite as I am freAking done demoing no matter what ! That's is unless they come out with a triple core......lol.
     
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    I only saw one version for the silver lite.
     
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    It's tough to explain.

    But think of playing with a pro staff 85 inch racquet.......now that's a demanding racquet right? Everyone always says you have to have great strokes to hit the ball well every time.....

    Well if the Pro Staff were a dual core you would hit the sweet spot every time and your strokes would not have to be perfect.

    I think Ka-el said it best......he felt with the dual cores you could be "lazy" and hit the sweet spot every time while with the x-series you had to hit the right stroke.

    The best analogy I could give is that the dual cores have the plush comfort of a Cadillac but the performance of a Porsche. Where as the X series is just a Porsche and if you hit a bump your teeth are going to rattle.
     
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    You complete me. :).

    I can't wait till others try it and see the "light".

    I know I sound like an advertisement.....im just so ecited because I went from using a white x-series 99 inch racquet at 10.5 ounces to a 12 ounnce 94 inch dual core.

    That's huge. I'm only a 4.0 and for the first time in my life Im able to play with a 5.0 racquet. I'm really enjoying the game so much more now and the feel of a heavy stick is just addictive.

    This is not a "honeymoon" period.....it was love at the very first swing.

    You will all see what I mean if you used an x-series and then try a dual core. The difference is really big.
     
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    Man I've been off TW for a month and the Dual Cores are all the rage.

    PP- good to see you hanging out here!! Been awhile since the YT Rad and 4D 200 days. Saw where you said the 4D200 just wore you out...I hit the wall on it too. Great feeling stick, but what I had to put behind a ball to hit a winner wasn't worth it at 39. How does the Solinoco string play?

    Kal hooked me up with some X Blue 99' s a while back and I have ZERO reason to demo the Dual's. I'm still experimenting with string setups on the Blue99. Currently using Black Magic/Synthetic cross @ (The name of the Syn escapes me but a reel came with my Silent Partner stringer??)

    My next step is a full bed of Black Magic, tried the Donnay poly but didn't really like it. May have strung it too low. One of the frames I got was strung with the Donnay poly/Donnay multi @48/52 and I liked the combo but it seemed to straddle the control/power line. The hybrid seemed to be SMACK in the middle with no defining character and the drop-off in feel was significant after a few hours.

    I'm still framing my fair share of backhands with the Blue 99. I think it's getting used to the smaller headsize off my weaker wing. I'm thinking the thinner frame is accelerating the head quicker which is throwing my timing off. A few hours on the ball machine should remedy that.

    My wife has "suppressed" the racketaholic in me with this budget thing of hers, but the Blue 99 keeps me from relapsing. I was able to bomb serves with the PDR so the analogies to the DC's on serve are compelling but REALLY liking the results I'm getting with the Blue99.
     
  34. hoodjem

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    Does TW sell the Dual-Cores?
     
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    Well i am anxious to try the dual core line but the last thing i want is more power. To me the white has a lot of power, i am using full poly to tone it down. I dont understand some of you saying it is low powered.
     
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    So you make it sound like it is mostly the plush feel, not performance. Which is nice because my arm can be sensitive to poly strings. The dual core could let me use stiffer strings without the bad effects.
     
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    I am using a white+with the 5 gram but cap plus over grip it weighs 11.1 ounces. The demo rackets i tried all weighed that also, you need to actually weigh rackets because many times they are different than what they are listed at.

    There is a solid feel to a heavier racket, i liked the x99 blue even at that weight it swung very nice. But you need to test it out under match play, sometimes what feels good for a while will feel heavy after an hour or so. Then you are lugging the racket through the swing +losing racket speed. That to me is what i like so much about the donnay rackets even the lighter ones still hit solid.
     
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    Donnays all come with a serial number . They are all weighted and balanced exactly . So if you look at the first three numbers that the weight of your particular racquet. Then I believe the last three is the balance. The weights are in grams and the balance in milimeters.
     
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    Well it's also performance. The dual cores are more powerful but since there are virtually no vibrations you can handle the power with much more control than the x series in my opinion. Also on off center shots the dual core performs unbelievable while the x series doesn't.
     
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    I will bet you that if you have them weighed it will be different than what is listed. I have a digital scale that is accurate, the weights are not exact i dont care what the serial numbers say. I also check the balance to+there is some variance, check them out yourself. I am not saying that they are not close, but not all of them are exact. I have demoed a lot of the x series, right now i have purchased one white i also still have a demo both of these are real close to the same they both weigh 315 grams+the balance is within a point or 2 so that is pretty good.

    But their website says they weigh 10.6 ounces strung i have not had any of them weigh that light, even with the non weighted butt cap+no over grip they are close to 11 ounces. Same goes with their stiffness rating they say the are 70+TW says they are 64. I called TW to ask them about the difference+they said that they always check the stiffness their selves + list them accordingly. I learned a long time ago to never trust what the manufacturer lists on their rackets 90% of the time they are not correct.
     
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    Hey I loved the whites . I bought four of them! Bit the dual core silver is even better and I have a sneaking suspicion that the silver lite extended is going to sell like crazy.

    I'm not sure I made the right choice with a heavier stick. I definitely lose some maneuverability. But that plow through feeling is just addictive . And your arm doesn't get weary as there is no stress from vibrations on the arm.

    I'm telling you Tim the white feels like your playing with a badminton racquet when you compare it to any dual core.
     
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    I dont doubt it. I'm sure you are right .
     
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    I am not doubting you i am glad that i only purchased 1 white so far, i was getting ready to get 2 of them then they came out with the dual cores. I am waiting for the demoes to come out so i can either change to the dual cores or get another white.

    I know what you mean about the feeling of a heavier racket, i was using 12 ounce plus rackets for a few years. But i am a baseline grinder+big top spin player, the heavy rackets just bog me down after an hour or so. That is what is so incredible about the white i have it is a little over 11 ounces+6 points head light, but still has good plow through.

    I have never used a racket at this weight that felt this solid, so i have the light maneuverable racket but it does not feel like a wiffle ball bat like most light rackets. I dont understand you thinking these dont have enough power, i had to try a lot of different string jobs with the white to tame the power out of it.

    I guess when you compare it to the heavier models it does not hit as powerful of a shot. I remember when demoing the blue if i caught it right the ball would shoot off of it like a cannon.
     
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    You will LOVE the silver and probably the silver lite.
     
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    I play with the Dark Red 94 and Dual Core Gold 94 and I don't really notice more power with the DC. If so, it is marginal. The nice thing is (to me anyway), the sweetspot seems larger on the Dual Core's, which has allowed me to use the DC Gold as my doubles stick. Before, I normally tried to use a racquet with a larger head for doubles only. This is also nice for me, because the smaller headsize generates a little less power and better control.

    The nice thing too, is that different string and/or tension can really help tame the power in the Donnay's. To me, the power with the Donnay's is controllable anyway. I haven't tried any of the lower weighted, higher power models though. I typically want my racquets in the 11.8 to 12+ oz. range, as long as they are head light enough.
     
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    So are you using the dark red 94 for singles? I used the red 94+red 99, but it was strange the 94 had more power to me than the 99. Maybe it was just the demo strings, the blue 99 had really good control. The thing i noticed with their heavier rackets was that they were only around 6 points hl which to me is not enough. They should at least be 8 points if not 10, you would have to add more weight to the butt cap which would make the racket that much heavier.
     
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    I agree with you that a 12+ oz. racquet should be more than 5 to 6 pts. HL. My Dark Red is now 12.8 ozs. and 12 pts. HL. This is due to the fact that I installed a leather grip, I use the 10 gr. Cap, 2 1 oz. slides at 3 @ 9 o'clock, and I use an overwrap.

    I used the K Tour 90 for awhile and the weight and balance are close to this, but I believe it was around 9 pts. HL. The Dark Red plays lighter and is definitely more forgiving than the K90. I really have no problem with the weight and I'm 51.

    The nice thing about the Red and Gold is you can make them considerably lighter than these specs, but they still retain much of the stability and plow through. I assume the Silver's have those same traits.

    Personally, I love mass if it is maneuverable enough and the Donnay's are definitely maneuverable. Mass creates a lot of help imo. I've never attained a very good backhand slice with light racquets. Racquets with mass allow me to be offensive at times with my slice backhand. I can block hard shots back with authority with more mass etc. The lighter Donnay's give you these characteristics better than any light racquet I've ever tried.

    I think power is a confusing thing. I think some associate power with the mass of a heavier racquet, while others associate it more with lighter, large headed racquets that swing very easilly.

    The Donnay's I use are more powerful than the Wilson's I used before them, but I seem to control them fine. I can also generate pace without overswinging. Overswinging will fatigue a player faster than using a heavier racquet imo. Also, the harder one swings, the more spin that is imparted which negates some of the pace, unless a more intentional flat shot is used.

    You may need to experiment with the Donnay's to know what works best for you. I tried several and liked them all, but I chose what I feel enhances my game most. It's a tough descision and can be costly, but really the only way to see is to try various strings a various tensions.
     
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    Ya there is something to be said for the solid plow through of a heavy racket. I used the k 95 a few years ago+my backhand slice was really effective. I probably do over swing like you mentioned, i use western grip and apply a lot of spin.

    But it is to late to change that now, that is why the white with a full poly set up is outstanding for my game. I will just wait to demo the dual cores when they are available, then make my decision.
     
  49. Nadal = Borg

    Nadal = Borg Banned

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    The dual cores are available.....it's just that you have 14 days to return. And you only need one swing with the dual cores and you will probably switch ( not kidding).

    The silver lite is just about identical to the white except they make one in extended and one in standard .

    As far as Heavy Vs. light I actually played with APD and then a white until a week ago. I'm still not sure I made the right decision to switch to a heavy frame.

    But the platinum at 94 inches and 16mm beam swings very fast. and the fact that there is no vibration makes it real easy on the arm.

    I still also have a silver and I am holding on to it in case Im going through a honeymoon period with the Platinum.

    The main drawback of a light stick is outdoors especially on clay. There you can really see the drawback of a light stick such as the white. The ball just does not travel with the same velocity as with a heavy stick....especially if there is some wind as well.

    I was actually considering using a heavy stick outdoors and a light stick indoors.

    Anyway today is my first day of the season outdoors on clay.....so I will let you know how it goes. I'll play one set with the Platinum 94 and one with the silver.
     
  50. Readers

    Readers Semi-Pro

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    Something doesn't add up here, this setup should give you a 14-15 oz stick instead of 12.8, maybe you used 2 1 gr slides not 1 oz?
     

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