New Donnay X-Series - My Thoughts

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  1. tlm

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    I agree i dont know why you would add anything to the head of the racket if the idea is to make it more hl.
     
  2. Nadal = Borg

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    I have to tell you that you were right Tim.

    The platinum is just way to heavy for me.

    I liked the silver a lot better.... I'm gonna send back my platinums and get the extended silver lite.
     
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    You are correct sir. They are 1 gram slides.:)
     
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    I didn't add the slides to the head to make it more HL. Without them, it was obviously slightly more HL. I use the slides because it gives me the feel I like most. With or without the slides, the difference was only 1 pt difference. 13 pts. HL without & 12 pts. HL with.

    The mistake I made is I said the slides were 1 oz. each, but I meant 1 gram each. 1 ounce = 28 grams.
     
  5. tlm

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    Ya i have hit around with some heavy rackets+thought wow this feels good it is not to heavy. But then if i start playing some real matches especially if they are long ones then i notice that the heavy rackets bog me down.
     
  6. tlm

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    That makes sense then if the slides only change it 1 point.
     
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    I've always liked extended racquets better than standard length. Although the silver is almost identical to the white.....I think the extended version will be even better for me.

    Either way I know for sure I will want the silver lite .
     
  8. tlm

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    Does it come in standard+extended length ?
     
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    Just played a few sets of dubs with a friend of Bobby Cho.

    He had a bagful of the new sticks so I played 2 sets of dubs with the Gold.

    Very nice stick, love the new matte PJ.

    This was an excellent setup for doubles. I was volleying and returning great with it.

    Great stick, worth a demo.

    Good job Donnay.
     
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    Do the new Donnays come strung? I didnt even think about it..If not, Ill throw some hyperion in it.
     
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    Yup.....and three sets of string. They call it a "Donnay" string but I was told by **** that it's Basically Luxilon ALU big banger.
     
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    Yes and they are practically identical to the whites. I think the whot is 10.6 and the silver kites are 10.5. The silver lites are 3 points head light while I believe if memory serves me right the whites are 6 points head light.

    It must be an amazing stick .....the whites rattled a bit from vibration.....but with dual core it should be way more solid .

    I'm getting closer!!!
     
  14. Power Player

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    I just ordered the racquet..that would be wild if they gave me all that string, but I didnt get the weight kit or anything.

    If Big Banger works that well in this stick, then I imagine Solinco Tour Bite will as well.
     
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    Actually I was wrong .....the silver lite is the exact same stick as the Yellow.

    That's an issue for me because I actually did not like the yellow very much at all. I could really feel the difference between the stiffness of 67 vs 70. I didn't think that I would be able to feel it but I really did!

    Roman at **** told me that they were going to discontinue one of the racquets .....I cannot believe they will be discontinuing the whites !!

    Tim you may have done the right thing and I'm sort of now glad that I have four whites as well .

    I just love that dual core technology so much that I'm praying I will love the silver lite extended. I just can't go back to Xeneocore ...LOL.

    The yellow was not bad and it was great on touch shots.....but it was a bit to flexy for me and did not have the pinpoint accuracy of the white .
     
  16. Power Player

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    Dude..xenocore is in both racquets..you are going overboard a little bit here.
     
  17. tlm

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    I did not like the yellow either, just did not play near as good as the white.
     
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    HAH, yeah um, NOT.
     
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    the silver and light, are way better than both the yellow and white.
     
  20. tlm

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    What is the difference between the silver+the white.
     
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    Hey Im just telling you what Roman said. Your beef is with him Im just the messenger.
     
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    Well I love dual core......However I must say that I like the white better than the silver......But that's not fair for me to say because comparing those two are NOT apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

    In fact there is no dual core that is like the white so I can't really compare it .
    The closest is the silver lite.....and until I try that stick I don't think it's fair for me to compare.
     
  23. tlm

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    What do you not like about the silver compared to the white?
     
  24. Kal-El 34

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    well the silver is basically weighted spec wise like the orange. so the silver is going to be heavier. it also feels a bit stiffer than the x-white. I actually really enjoyed the silver, and like it better than the orange in my opinion. However, I like the way the white plays better than the silver lite
     
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    Exactly what Kal-el said...its a bit heavier and not quite as maneuvarable as the white. It sorta does everything kind of well but nothing exceptionally well. The white is just incredible at the net while the silver & orange are merely good at the the net.

    As Kal-el pointed out the silver is the same specs as the orange ...and if you look at Kal-els review of the orange it was probably his least favorite racquet out of the bunch.

    Im really surprised that they are discontinuing the white. Personally it was a bad choice to make the yellow into a dual core and not the white.

    The yellow may be favored by juniors but who the hell is going to spend this kind of money on a junior??

    Anyway I am hoping that the Yellow with dual core will be equal to the white with only Xenocore. I agree with Kal-el that the problem with the yellow is that you couldnt really get deep penetrating volleys like you could with the white. Again I am praying that the dual core will resolve that issue.

    Note to Donnay : MAKE THE WHITE IN DUAL CORE PLEASE!
     
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    did you try the extended length version yet of the silver Lite?
     
  27. tlm

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    How do you know they are discontinuing the white? I tried both the yellow+the orange but did not like them the white is much better.
     
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    they are not going to discontinue the white. the only model on the chopping block is the red 94... that's it. Donnay has stated they will continue to produce the full line of x-series
     
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    looks real fresh with the bright white k-baum helix
     
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    Roman told me.

    According to him they will sell out their stock of xenocore whites .

    Obviously they only made dual cores for what they felt were the best selling racquets...

    ..the Orange = silver and is stated on the site as the top seller.

    Black = Platinum and has a huge following

    Yellow = silver lite which is loved by juniors

    Blue = Gold ( I think....Kal-el hp me out here) also has a strong following.
     
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    Do the duals have a different head shape than the Xs? From the pics it looks like the duals have wider heads. Anyone care to measure?
     
  32. otteridiz

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    Kal,

    I am looking for some advice on the Donnay dual cores. I know you are very familiar with them and represent them in some way. I have some very specific questions and it isn't very easy getting answers through the forum. Is there a way I can contact you directly?

    Thanks!
     
  33. Kal-El 34

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    yea just send me a private message through here. it goes to my e-mail and ill reply through there. thanks
     
  34. Kal-El 34

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    orange = silver... yea

    yellow and silver lite are different. silver lite is extended and plays way different.

    platinum is kind of in between the black and the blue

    gold = red

    thats my take on it at least
     
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    Kal-

    Any thoughts on this question?

    Thanks.
     
  36. otteridiz

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    I must be losing it, cause I don;t see a way to private message you??
     
  37. Kal-El 34

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    Click on my screen name and there should be an option
     
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    Sounds like the platinum for you then. The power is addictive. Great solid feel and tons of control. Serving is bigger than the babolat with the platinum. I'd check them both out though. They are very impressive frames in their own respect.
     
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    Kal-el......I respectfully disagree....and I do mean respectfully because your thread is amazing and your reviews are one of the best I have ever seen.

    The Yellow comes in both standard and extended . The silver Lite also comes in both extended and standard.

    Furthermore the yellow and silver lite are exactly the same specs. EXACTLY.

    As far a the Platinum....it's also the exact same specs as the black.

    The only difference here is the dual core .

    I'm not sure about the Gold.
     
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    The Dual Cores are definitely stiffer than the X-series. So, the difference between the black 99 and the platinum 99 is the stiffness and string pattern (pretty significant). I think that anyone looking at these type rackets should demo all of them. They are all really fun to hit with, but they all feel different. I could easily play with any of them, but I prefer the heavier ones.

    Mike
     
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    Played a few matches over the weekend with the orange – both singles and doubles. Preferred setup: weight insert at 12 – nothing at 3 or 9 – used Donnay's hybrid string setup – did not have access to various butt caps.

    This racquet really surprised me. The feel was incredible from all areas of the court – even better than the white. I had plenty of power off both wings and found the sweet spot more often than with the white. Slice was about the same as with the white and still easy to control. I really enjoyed volleying with the orange. There was plenty of maneuverability and control – it definitely felt more solid than the white. The vibration that I had at net with the white was not apparent with the orange. Serving was effortless with the orange – I could hit slice/kick/flat wherever I wanted. I definitely had to do more work to get similar results out of the white. I hate lobs but it wouldn't be a complete demo if I didn't try every shot – I can honestly say, the top spin lob was my favorite shot with the orange. It felt like I could hit the baseline every time!

    The only negative for me – which I knew going into this – is that the orange requires a very long stroke. I have a tendency to shorten up my swing on my 2h-backhand and the ball just flew on me. You've really got to give a full motion in order to get the most out of it – but when you do, it's like a hot knife through butter! I'm hoping the [advertised] stability of the silver will offer a little more forgiveness on medium swings for me. I also don't like the color of the orange as much as the white. Dual series looks even better on the screen and paper. Thanks to all who have posted pics and reviews - keep them coming!

    Can't wait to try the silver! Kal-El – looking forward to your advance review.
     
  42. Nadal = Borg

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    Good point .

    I stand corrected. I was wrong about the platinum being the same as the black.

    However the silver lite extended & regular is the same as the yellow extended and regular .....minus the dual core of course .
     
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    you win 1 battle in this argument :) the yellow extended and the silver lite extended are the same specs and the regular lengths are similar. so you may be right here, however i find the silvers lite ext. to play more similar to the white than the yellow personally.

    if you are talking about the platinum 94 and the black 94, their makeups are a bit different. stiffness rating of 64 and 70 is a pretty big difference. the platinums way more resemble the blue than the black, but the 99's have an 18x20 string pattern and not a 16x20. plus if you were to throw a cushion grip and not a leather grip on the x-series it would change the makeup a bit as well. soooo similar yes, exactly the same... meh haha

    and the golds are the new reds... for sure i know this direct from Donnay.


    i don't wanna argue about it though... like i said i post what i think, and that's all it is
     
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    orange = silver... yea

    yellow and silver lite are different. silver lite is extended and plays way different.

    platinum is kind of in between the black and the blue

    gold = red

    thats my take on it at least

    Kal is more dead on- Donnay's best sticks in the X series are Black, Blue and Red. Platinum's smack in the middle for the Black and Blue, Gold is red- Red in general is a better stick than Orange, although donnay's site says Orange is best seller- that is suspect. (was a drawn out toss up of which ones to drop red or orange)

    X series will keep Black, Blue, and Red. The Orange, yellow, and white- should never been made- and They should release the 104 US open time- rounding out a solid line. The dual cores are great club sticks, and are catching on well- Only problem with donnay is the amount of stick that are similar.
     
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    sounds about right. the dual core series are great club racquets. they def. appeal to a wider range of players. i do still think the x-series will maintain a strong following though. i have a few juniors who like their yellows more than the silver lite, so they best stock up now i guess haha

    i actually have been told the 104 is going to be released as a 102 and not the 104... but they keep changing this so im unsure of what they decided. as of last week though i was being told it is going to be a 102.
     
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    The next frame is a 102
     
  47. tlm

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    Kal what do you mean the dual cores are great club rackets+they appeal to a wider range of players? Are you saying the x series is more demanding? I dont understand a lot of guys saying that the dual cores are stiffer but also more comfortable than the x series.

    I totally disagree with the above poster who said that they should have never made the white. I dare any top spin baseliner that likes babolat rackets to add a little weight to the white with a full poly set up at 52 lbs. then go out+have a hit then see what they think. I would bet the majority would be selling those arm breaker babs. I have never ever found a racket that plays as nice as this stick. Maybe it is not the best for all court, but for a baseliner this racket is bad ass!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Tim,

    You have to try a dual core and you will see what Kal-el means.

    I love the white ....I think it's the best racquet in the line.....and I wish they made a dual core with it.

    But after playing with a dual core I can never go back to a xenocore. I have not tried the silver lite but it's almost the exact specs of the white. I can tell you even before trying it I know I will switch to the silver lite.

    No disrespect to Kal.....but the xenocore is old news compared to dual core. I promise you that xenocore will be phased out.

    Except for a couple of sticks like possibly the black , I predict most Xenocore sticks will be discontinued and there will be more and more dual core sticks
    produced.
     
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    I've now spent quite a bit of time with both lines. moving forward if i am playing any kind of serious tennis, I am using the x-blue 99. I've hit with the dual cores and they are great. However, after hitting the duals, going back to the x, back to the duals, back to the x and so on... i really appreciate the blue even more. the platinum does some things better, but the blue for me is better overall... even though my initial review of the platinum was a bit higher.

    like i said, as long as the x-series continues to sell they will continue to produce them. if certain models just aren't moving at all... as i predict will happen to the orange, then it is just a matter of time. However, the x-series will still be around for quite some time. Obviously they will be discontinued at some point as most racquet models are (microgel to youtek, etc) but no moves for awhile. It will be a very impressive racquet offering though with x-black, x-blue, x-red (99), x-white, dual gold, dual plat, dual silver and silver lite. I don't know what the future of the dark red will be. Throw in the 102 and it's a VERY serious lineup of racquets

    also quit saying 'no disrespect to kal" everytime you post something. i really don't care if you disagree with me on something, or everything for that matter haha. i work directly with donnay. however they are always changing their minds on things, so sometimes the end results change (like with the 104/102). you however are getting some news from roman, and then formulating your own opinions. and im not saying your wrong. the donnay owners seem to be very up and down with making up their minds. if the duals just blow the x series out of the water with sales, then im sure they will change things up. i do like that you're so fired up about the donnays though. just like i was when i first started hitting them... and still am.

    ill also say this... so far since i've got the dual core line in, this is how they have sold...

    juniors still buying more yellow than silver lite
    white and silver lites about dead even
    dual silver selling more than orange
    x red selling more than the dual gold
    platinum selling more than the black but about the same as the blue (i think this can be attributed to the fact im using the blue and a lot of people just buy what im using haha)

    thats after an initial couple of weeks....
     
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    I will try them but he is making it sound like the x series is just as good in many ways.
     

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