New Donnay X-Series - My Thoughts

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  1. ryushen21

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    Kal...was going to send you a message but your profile wouldn't allow. Send me one through mine.
     
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    For the record, my strings look like the middle picture that Suppa posted of the OS.

    Suppawat is a gear god. A Solinco racquet bag? Very interesting.
     
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    How did u like the hit compared to ur xblack? You too are
    Coming from Dunlop 200's?
     
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    Another day, another awesome hit with the Silver. This thing just feels better and better each time.

    I posted before in another thread about how I was transitioning to sub-12 oz. frames and the Silver's specs looked awesome for me as the Donnay site listed it as 11.1 oz. strung. After replacing the stock synthetic grip for a leather grip, it weighed in at 11.9 oz. strung. No biggie at all since the thin beam and HL balance make it REALLY easy to swing. Swings way easier than the 13 oz. PT280's I've played with before, and I'm the same height as Olivier Rochus :twisted:

    And suppawat, thanks for reposting those pics of the Platinum prototypes. I love black racquets. I wish they used the same black paint on those instead of the dry matte paint on the released Dual Core line.
     
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    Have you tried any of the other donnay rackets?
     
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    Yup. Black 94/99, Blue 99, and Red 99 back when they were first available on TW. I can't really remember what I thought of each one since it was a while ago, but I know I had a blast with the Black and Blue 99s.

    Most recently I had a demo of the White. I think it was too light for me, but the feel and maneuverability are great. Being so light you can really generate lots of racquet head speed. I wanted just a little more weight, which is what brought me to try out the Silver.
     
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    10Ace, I just got back from hitting with it.

    I really like the racquet a lot. It is so much like the prestige mid, but better for my game. The dual core is a lot louder than the X series..it has that prestige crack and lower trajectory as well. I seem to get heavier spin than normal from an 18x20.

    The strings do suck on it..lol..well at least to me. I can not wait to put full poly in it, because that will take it to the next level.

    I put Solinco Tourbite in the black and it hits WAY better than before. I spent 90% of the time with the dual platinum since it is the new toy though.

    Personally, I think if you string it with full poly at around 50#, it is going to be beastly. I have a hurt wrist and can not serve for another week, but I can not wait to do that.

    What I noticed is how you can absolutely crush the ball like the prestige, but it is easier to use. Volleys are amazing with it. The trajectory of the ball compared to the black is definitely lower.

    Sweetspot is huge, it took me a little while to grasp that, but you can do a lot more to the ball then with a prestige. Basically, like the black, I felt like I could execute about any stroke I wanted. The difference is that I am flattening my strokes out a little more with the platinum and I have more control.

    It is going to take a little time to sort out which stick I will prefer over the long haul. I could seriously see myself using both for different situations...that being said for an 18x20 pattern, and weighing 12.1 ozs (with dampener and OG) this racquet is insanely light to swing.

    While it is not 1 swing and my life changed, I do think the feel of this racquet is exceptional and improved from the X series. I still like the feel of the black, but the Dual plat could easily cross over to mainstream players if they get a chance to hit with it. My friend uses the BLX 95 and was instantly intrigued by the Donnay just from swinging it. The PJ has really grown on me as well. It is a very good PJ out under the lights.
     
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    So you would say the silver is much better than the white?
     
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    I also thought the demo strings were pretty garbage. You really should string it up with full poly or at least a hybrid with your fave poly. You're gonna love it even more. When you take a huge crack at the ball, the sound and feel is just awesome. It's very addicting :D

    For me, yes, the Silver is much better than the White. There's more stability and plow through with the Silver. Also, the Silver has a crisper and more solid feel. A fair comparison would be to compare the White to the Silver Lite, which are really close in specs.
     
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    My friends also commented the same thing. They want Donnay to make all-black racquets. And some said they should make racquets in more vintage style. Here is the picture of plain black racquets. Feel free to photoshop it in the way you like. May be one day Donnay will make racquets based on your design :)
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    And here is my take. I want Donnay racquet to have Borg Pro look.
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    Wow.if Donnay just pulled a Babolat and released the same sticks with new PJs next year, I think everyone would be happy. The Borg PJ is RIDICULOUS! I love it.

    And Jlan, I agree with you 100%. I can not wait to get it with full poly at a little lower tension.. That will happen this weekend most likely. The crack is addictive even with the stock strings...can not wait with full poly, I know the Black is incredible with Tourbite..perfect match. The black does not crack like the Dual platinum though..it is a lot quieter in comparison.

    I was posting in another thread that the Platinum feels a lot like my PC600, plays like it, but is far easier to use in todays game. It is basically the prestige everyone has probably wanted for years.
     
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    Awesome PS job! For a second there I thought those were other prototype racquets you had haha. Love the design and tribute to the classics. I'd buy those in a heartbeat if they were real :)
     
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    Same to me. Unlike X-Series, I have to hit the ball harder to get the feel of Dual Core while X-Series amplify the feel at any power level of shots. There is a plenty of comfort in the dual core racquet. I like crushing the ball with Platinum 99 without worrying about hurting my wrsit/arm. In my opinion, the platinum 99 shares many similar characteristics with a pro stock frame - PT57E, which is popular in hard-hitting touring pros.
     
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    Agree completely there. With the black, when I hit heavy spin shots there is no real feel to it or noise, but the dual plat reacts a lot more like my Prestiges, but more comfortable as you said. The feel of the Black kicks in only on flatter, heavier shots for me.

    I agree about the Prostock similarities as well. These are real special racquets.
     
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    Power Play,
    I restrung with Topspin Cyberflash 1.25 at 49lbs, and the results are amazing. With the stock strings at 56, I was netting a lot of ball; I did not like the stock strings at all. I need to keep the ball on the strings a bit longer, and this setup does the trick. I hit yesterday and tonight with it, and I just love this rakcet, so much feel, control, stability, and yes, power. Volleys are stupid good, and all of this with a 99 square inch racket. I am 95% sure I am switching to the 99 platinum with co-poly at about 48 lbs.

    Mike
     
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    Mike, awesome to hear because I like my tension right where you do at full poly. You nailed it with your description of the racquet earlier as well.

    Was also netting more balls than normal, and I knew it was the strings and tension, so it did not faze me too much. Good to read an exact same account of that from someone else though.
     
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    Vsb, I got the 99. Plays like a 95 though to me.
     
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    DONNAY X-WHITE VS DONNAY DUAL CORE SILVER

    This is not really a fair comparison because its not apples to apples and oranges to oranges. However if you put in the 10 gram weight and all the slides in the white then the specs of both racquets should be about the same. However I did not do that because I played in a USTA match tonight and I wanted to win.
    I played with the white with the standard butt cap and no slides (as I think the white should be used) and the silver also au natural.
    The silver is half an ounce heavier , so To do a fair test I would have to compare the silver lite to the white which I will be doing in the next few days. The half ounce difference really does make a big difference. i didnt think it would....but it really does....or maybe it was the dual core that made the difference?? I dont know but the silver felt a lot heavier than the white. (Im a USTA rated 4.0 player).

    Groundstrokes.....white=7 and Silver = 9

    I started out the match with the silver. I was playing a 20 year old baseliner. I decided to play all court style (Im naturally a serve and volleyer). The silver was near perfect as far as groundstrokes were concerned.
    It was equal to the white in precision but was far more powerful than the white in every area. Topspins kicked more and slices were just nasty. You really could feel the dual core at work here. The silver is about the best stick I have ever used as far as groundstrokes. Edge goes to the silver

    VOLLEYS : White 10/10 and Silver 7/10

    Im going to just quote Kal-el here because his description was right on....

    "I will put the white 99 up there with any racquet out on the market at the net actually. SUCH a nice frame for volleys. So light and maneuverable, without sacraficing any stability. The stability of the thin beam is nice when wanting to hit a powerful volley, and the white retains the same silky smooth touch that I noticed with all of the heavier racquets in the X-line. This also surprised me because in my hits in the past, most 10 oz. racquets really sacrafice a lot of feel and stability in their lighter offerings. Touch volleys were effortless. However, the racquet really sines on reflex volleys. Doubles players will also enjoy how quick this frame moves at the net. The sweetspot is very large, and off center hits still feel very stable with no vibration to the arm. When I teach I spend a lot of time at the net, so I did have AMPLE time to get the feel of this frame at the net. Again, even though the weight of the frame does not appeal to me personally, I was extremely impressed by this offering. " Kal El

    The silver was good at the net but a bit to powerful and not quite as maneuverable. The edge goes to the white here BIG TIME.

    SERVE POWER White 6/10 and Silver 8/10
    For a flat first serve the Silver just blew away the white. Its just way more powerful and I could hit some bombs. Kicks and slices were all much more powerful. Edge goes to silver

    Serve Precision white 9/10 and silver 7/10
    The white is just so freaking manueverable you can place the ball wherever you want. Edge goes to the white


    White overall 8 and silver is 7.75 (a virtual tie)

    I guess it comes down to your style of play. If you are a baseliner then definitely go with the silver but if your a serve and volleyer or doubles player go with the white.

    Im a serve and volleyer and I have never been able to volley like this before. I mean anyone can put away an easy volley.....but these reflex volleys....well I have never played with a better racquet for that shot. By the way the same goes for return of serve. Its not as penetrating as the silver but you can just dive for a serve with the white and get it back. Absolutely amazing.

    Outdoors or on clay you may want the silver because it has more power. but on the other hand you can always simply bulk up the white....the difference however is the dual core....and that makes a huge difference in power for sure.

    my next two comparison which will be much more fair will be the white vs the silver lite which are the exact same specs except the silver let has a 67 flex and the white has a 70. also of course the silver has dual core while the while has only single xenocore.
     
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    Those mock ups are sick!
     
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    WOW!!!!

    Great idea !!!!

    You could have a match with the Dunlop maxply McEnroe vs the Donnay Borg!
     
  21. tlm

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    The white to me is already a powerful racket, i use a full poly job in it to tone the power down. So if the silver has more power i dont think i could use it.
     
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    I completely agree with you .....except for outdoors on clay on a windy day.

    But it's not fair to compare the silver to the white because they are different specs. The silver is identical to the orange an that would be a fair comparison ......by the way I thought the silver dual core was far better than the orange xenocore....,,It's not even close.

    A much closer comparison would be the silver LITE to the white . The only difference between those two is a slight difference in stiffness . ( actually the absolute closest comparison would be the silver Lite to the yellow).

    Ill be doing a playtest of those sticks as well
     
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    Ya your correct the white is identical to the silver lite except the silver lite has a stiffness rating of 67 while the white is 70. Which is not much of a difference, but i hope there is not more power in the sl because that would be to much for me.

    As far as the orange + the yellow i did not care for either of these rackets compared to the white.
     
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    If anyone happens to have a stringing diagram for the X-Black 94, could you please send it to me via my profile?
     
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    I have to agree with you. Surprisingly the white is my favorite as well. I wish they would just make it with dual core!

    I just got in the silver lite extended version. I figure that because it's more flexible but has dual core and is extended it should be equal in power to the white .
    I've always liked extended racquets better .....and I think my perfect racquet would be an extended version of the white with dual core.

    I guess Donnay figures that since juniors love the yellow it made more sense to use dual core in that racquet. In fact the yellow and the silver lite are the only racquets made In both standard and extended.......and that is again to appeal to juniors.......there's a lot of money there and I don't blame Donnay for going that route.

    My only question would be is whether someone would pay that much money for a junior racquet ......especially because juniors outgrow racquets rather quickly......Donnay.....please please dual core the white !
     
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    If it is equal in power to the white but not more i will definitely be interested in trying it. I have to feel this magic you keep talking about with the dual cores.
     
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    do a two piece stringing. there are dots around the top of the frame that label which holes to skip and where to tie off
     
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    Yeah just follow the dots for the mains. You will see a grommet between the dotted grommets and you just skip those and move on.

    Biggest PITA is the blocked holes at the bottom when you are almost finished the crosses.
     
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    what, like this?:
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    I've stopped talking about it.....lol.
     
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    Power player gReat review. I imagine that down the road I will pick up a platinum 94. I miss a small head size. Not ready to switch from these xblue 99's though. I find when I want to crush the ball I string one at 60lbs with 16g. The other I have at 54 16g which provides a very pleasant hit.

    Enjoy having both options.
     
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    10ace, I hope to spend more time with the Plat this weekend, and it will have tourbite in it as well. I am low tensioner, string in the high 40s, but I find that the Donnays react well to heavy hitting with full poly at that tension.
     
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    I have a platinum 94 on the way. Really curious to see how it plays. It's been mentioned it's similar to a prestige mid, so am looking forward to it
     
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    Aimr, be interested in your thoughts. I am now trying to figure out the ultimate setup for this thing.

    I put tourbite in it today at 49#s, and it plays more muted so far, but hits well. I am thinking maybe the Black Magic or B5E will be better in it. The Black Magic is amazing in the Prestige, so maybe it will translate to the Platinum. The tourbite did need some time to break in, so I think tomorrow I will have a better idea of how it plays.

    Seems like these sticks almost play a little lower powered with poly in the 40s.
     
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    Hey PP,
    What were your thoughts on the red 99? I read a post where you thought it was too light but other than that how was it as far as feel, power, plow thru and spin? I currently use a POG mid, which I love and have pretty much used the POG mid for the better part of 15 years. However I am getting older and looking for something a little less demanding. Thanks in advance
     
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    Chace, I'd strongly suggest trying the gold out too, but the red feels incredible..reminds me of the dual platinum in a way. But yes it was very light, and an open pattern. I really prefer closed patterns, especially the donnays, because they get a lot of spin for being tighter.
     
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    I think I read that you used to play with a pdrgt. How would you answer this question based on your platinum 99 experience. I feel close to pulling the trigger as I want something almost as powerful but with more control, touch and feel. Is the plat 99 pure drive power with prestige control, as I've read some say?


    "I used to play with the k90, but wanted something less demanding and switched to the PDRGT. Now I think I want something with more feel, control, and a less hollow feel, but I do like that power! I play all court, singles and doubles, so something good at the net and the baseline is important. I am interested in the blue 99 and the platinum 99. How would these rackets compare with my prior ones?"

    Thanks.

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    Power player. Yeah I am a big fan of full Polly although I have one hybrid right now at 57 MSV hex 18 and Gosen sheep 16. Tried revloution hated it and will be stringing up tourbite soon for the first time. I have always liked full Polly at 60lbs. But with these donnay I don't mind going mid 50's
     
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    i tried the x-orange today. maneuverable from the baseline as well as from the net and while serving.
    it had the same somewhat stiff but plush feel at contact as the kps88 which was very pleasant.

    plus it has that classic donnay orange color.
     
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    Will post an update when I eventually get a chance to hit with it. I have tourbite as well as black magic. BM also worked great in my vantage 95, so may string it up with BM probably at a similar tension to what I strung the vantage, so maybe about 54 lbs or so. See how that goes
     
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    Joe, Have not played the blue 99. but you can't go wrong with the platinum if you are looking for all those qualities. It is not as powerful as the Pure drive Roddick, but it is close. It definitely has more control and feel. Very very easy to swing this racquet as well.

    Aimr, hopefully more people will post their string setups for the platinums as well. I may try the tension a little higher around 52#s next time and see how it goes.
     
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    Thanks. I appreciate the response. Do you find the 18x20 pattern in a 99 still gives good access to spin and slice? I pulled my k90 out of the closet this morning with some turbo twist at 48 lbs. So much more feel, control, and touch than the roddick but I wish it had some more pop and spin and was a little lighter and less demanding. Sounds like you think the plat 99 meets those criteria.

    Also do you find that the lack of a leather grip on the plat results in less feel
    than on your black, which I believe has a leather grip?

    Thanks again. Look forward to more feedback from you on this intriguing racket.

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    Just got back from hitting with it more, and it definitely has plenty of spin. I was not looping my swing enough, and once I made that small adjustment, my forehand was back to normal (heavy topspin that kicks off the bounce). This racquet gets more spin than a prestige, but if you use prestige type racquets, you can easily pick it up and feel comfortable. IMO it is easier to use, more powerful (in a good controllable way) and gets more spin.

    I definitely think the Platinum meets your criteria. The main thing is getting used to the racquet head speed, because the stick moves so fast, it allows you to do about anything to the ball that you want.

    The lack of a leather grip does not bother me at all, but the bevel feel is not as tight..still, for me, I prefer the padding of the synthetic because leather hurts my hand after a while. It is still very good bevel feel and not a huge issue. I would suggest trying a Babolat skin feel to keep the weight and balance the same if you wanted the even thinner leather feel.

    I would be real shocked if you did not find the platinum to suit your needs based on what you are saying.

    Stringwise, I hit with Bad call (who was serving his hardest with the platinum) and we both agreed that the Solinco tourbite is probably not the one for this racquet. It is just too powerful at lower tensions, and this racquet would do a lot better with a control poly. So I am going to string up some B5E at 50#s and see how that goes.
     
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    liked the x-platinum. hits like a prestige on steroids and serves plenty big. want to try more models to compare. :p
     
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    So do you prefer the plat to the black? I'm going to order a plat next week and post a review when I get it. Thanks for your help.
     
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    So far I do because of the 18x20 pattern, power and the feel. I can use either one and be ok though, so I think I will keep both.
     
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    PP & myself both hit better with the platinum but the black is still good if one likes a bit more flex. was surprised to read that the platinum is 70 flex on the donnay site. serving might be hard on the arm after a while tho with the platinum.
     
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    Q for Power Player

    Thanks for sharing your impressions of the Platinum. I see that you had many posts on the 4d-200 thread and also that you are a Prestige fan. I really liked the Prestige mids, but want to stick to a larger head size. I'm hitting a lot with the 4d-200 these days and though I play well with it, I could use a little more "controlled" power as well as more access to spin.

    Did you ever post any comparisons between the 4d200 and the Platinum? I would appreciate your comments

    Also, can anyone tell me what the Donnay grip is like?
     
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    Kal-El - the Black 99 link points to the wrong review.

    PP - forgot which Black version did you bring to the hit?
     
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    Can some one explain this to me?

    I was playing a usta match with the white yesterday on clay and I wasn't getting enough pop off my serve.

    So I switched to the silver with nothing added to it and although I was getting more pop the precision was not there.

    I then weighted the white up with as much weight as possible ( all strips and 10g weight). This set up makes it about the same as the silver.

    Even though they were the same weight they played differently. the white now had a more power ( not as much as silver) but also had more precision.

    Is this due to the balance? Or is it due to the dual core? Or both or something else?
     

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