New Donnay X-Series - My Thoughts

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  1. tlm

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    Thanks that is good to hear. Do you think the b5e is the best poly out there? Also do you think that b5e is as comfy as turbo twist? The reason i asked about tt was that i had to string it higher than other polys i tried, like poly star strike+energy. I only have one set of the b5e coming right now so i want to get the tension close the first time, i was thinking of going with 48lbs.
     
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    I can't say it is the best, but to me it is a top match for the dual core racquets. I like the similar polys..Black Magic as well. They are very soft and pocket the ball quite well. Seem to work great in tight patterns for me. The B5e is better for lower tensions..really impressed me how well it plays so far (8 hours in).
     
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    Bla bla bla.......admit it .....you have gine just as ga ga as I have no big deal. I can't wait till everyone else tries it and compares it to the xenocore.
     
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    Ya know I think Donnay uses different measurements for stiffness.

    I was told the 102 lite is actually 64 stiffness ......which is not a bug. Difference than the white but with the Donnays it seems to make a huge difference.

    Anyway how close are those 102 to the whites ?

    Tim can you help me out? I don't know how to convert grams buy I think the white is 10.6 oz.

    So are these 102's very similar to the whites??
     
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    28.4 X 10.6=301.04

    There are 28.4 grams in one ounce.
     
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    Were did you hear that the 102 has a stiffness of 64? according to the link above the stiffness is not 64. If the xp light is 300 grams then it is a little more than a half ounce heavier than the white. If the xp light is 272 grams then it is almost a half ounce lighter than the white. If these are new models then why are they not dual cores?

    My white when strung and with a over wrap weighs 11.2 ounces which comes out to 315 grams. Again i would suggest you buy a scale so you will know what your rackets really weigh. Many times there is a difference in what is listed and what it really weighs.
     
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    The rep at Donnay John ( I get the feeling there are only two people there) says it's 64 stiffness.

    The specs you saw are not from Donnay but a TW poster.

    Are they not dual core???
     
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    I was just going by the pictures, they did not say dual cores on these rackets. I was just wondering were you heard the 64 flex, i am not interested in these rackets. I am just waiting for tw to get the dual core demos in, i am anxious to try them out.
     
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    I'll find put from Donnay.....but from what your saying theres only a half ounce difference than the whites.

    But that half ounce means a lot with these Donnays. The silver was a half ounce heavier and it was very different than the white.

    John from Donnay agrees that the slightest difference with these sticks makes a notable difference . I don't know why.....yet it's true
     
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    How powerful is the Donnay poly? Any tension recommendations?
     
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    12.5

    I'll let you know. My plat99 just arrived. Since it came unstrung, I put turbo twist in at 52lbs. That is my usual tension in my pdrgt. In my k90, I drop to 48. Hopefully I can go low on this racket due to the increased control. TT may be too lively to go much below 50 with this head size. We'll see.

    Racket feels good in the hand. I didn't get to weigh it yet, but seemed lighter than my pdrgt (12.5 oz) and much lighter than my k90 (somehow it weighs 13 oz) Stringing was somewhat of a hassle. Lots of blocked holes and the tie offs were weird, but nothing major. The original grip was put on too loose and has some depressions where it overlaps, which I don't like. Racket feels light enough to install leather, but I want to play stock for a bit before I tamper.

    I will keep you posted. Hope to hit on Sunday.

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    I looked at the photos and you are right they do say xenocore.

    I'm actually really relieved because I'm sick of testing.

    I also finally understand what Donnays plans are here and I think it's pure genius .

    They are coming out with so many racquets that basically they are custom making racquets for you. For example These sticks here are only half an ounce different than the white and only three inches different in head size. The yellow & silver are identical except for dual core
    and they are only three points different in stiffness. Add to that the customization and the variables seem endless and more precise.

    Never have I seen so many racquets with differences this minute. Vantage can just about shut it's doors because Donnay has seriously kicked their ars

    Donnay is like crack for a racquet junkie. In a short time I have already tried :

    -white
    - yellow
    - orange
    - red
    -dark red
    -silver lite
    -silver
    -platinum.....

    I have seeked counseling and I'm finally done!! But i'm still tempted. I still have the urges for the platinum. I'm still thinking about getting a couple for myself just to have in the bag in case
    of emergency.

    God do I love that stick!
     
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    I think you were right in stringing at 52, tt is to lively on the 40's.
     
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    We shall see. TT is so soft that I doubt I would have a problem going higher if need be, but I like to keep it around 52 or 54.

    I weighed my Plat 99. It came in at 12.3 oz with dampener and overgrip. I really can't believe it weighs that much as it feels so light in my hand.

    I will probaby give TT, B5E, Black Magic, Typhoon, and BHBR (or maybe BHSR) a try. I've also liked Tour bite, but PP's comments will lead me to put that lower on the list. I loved the way tour bite served and spun groundies, but it died quicker than the others I listed.

    I haven't used an 18x20 in years. Would I be right to assume that, at a given tension, it will feel stiffer or crisper than a 16x19, which would enable me to string lower and still maintain the same feel? Also, at the same tension, would a 18X20 retain tension better than a 16x19, given that there are more strings handling the load of each shot?

    Joe
     
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    Joe,

    I would have to say yes, the tighter pattern gives you way more options when you string. Maybe that is why low tension poly works for me in this racquet. But as stated, it has to be the right poly. The B5e just welcomes it..you could set your tensioner for 50#s, and over time it will drop to around 43#s, but you will still have great control. I don't think we can say the same for the turbo twist.

    I agree, I could not believe the Platinum weighed that much, especially when I swung it. I think it is the advantage of the thin beam...and to me it is definitely an advantage.

    My question is when will other racquet companies try to copy this ultra thin beam concept?
     
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    What were the codes on your racket indicated unstrung weight and balance?

    Mine were 322 grams and 311 mm balance. Very close to stated specs of 320 and 310.
     
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    The donnay website says that the platinum strung weight is 11.8 ounces, but yours weighs 12.3 ounces with over wrap and dampener. This is why it is nice to have a scale to weigh them yourself, then you know what your racket really weighs.
     
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    Mine says 323 and 311. With my OG (tourna) and dampener (sampras) the racquet weighs 12.2 ozs on my scale.

    I know to add .2 ozs to my racquets due to OG and dampener.
     
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    I have found the same thing dampener and over wrap comes in right around .2 ounces. But why do you think that your racket weighs 12.2 ounces? The website says 11.8 ounces strung weight, which should come out to 12 ounces with your dampener+over wrap. I found the same with my white it is a little heavier than what is listed.
     
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    Just weighed it again. My scale says 12.2. I think it came at 11.9 with no og or damp. So it is .3 ozs.
     
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    Yesterday I was supposed to playtest X-Yellow VS X-Dual Silver Lite but eneded up playing the X-Yellow 99 for 2 hour long. The string on X-Dual Silver Lite was dead anyway.

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    Set-Up: The Yellow was freshly strung with Solinco Tour Bite at 55 lbs, so the pop and bite were there. It has +0g butt cap installed with no weight slide at all.

    Ground Stroke: I exchanged groundstroke with my hitting partners with low to high speed ball. The X-Yellow 99 seems to be best at low to medium speed ball while my favorite Blue 99 is good for fast & heavy groundstroke. The light & thin frame cut thru the air very quickly and produce uniquely solid feel like no other. It's very easy to hit angle shots from corner to corner at various speed levels. However I need to adjust my grip. Normally, I hold the Blue 99 and other heavier racquets towards the end of handle, but for Yellow I grab the handle approx 1/4" higher up. It is a very effective way to play the X-Yellow 99, at least for me. Actually, I copied this practice from one good junior player http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1MJuFcDBMk. (I asked him to test the X-Yellow 99 after he won U16 and U18 titles on the same day. So he looks a bit tired.)

    Power: it doesn't have so much power when hitting flat honestly. In fact, I don't think the X-Yellow 99 is good for flat hitters. The best way to generate power from Yellow is to hit half-flat/half-spin with faster swing, and most importantly weight transfer. Not only swinging my arm, but I had to move a whole body to hit the ball and get power out of the X-Yellow 99. The lighter weight and 3pts HL really help me master that kind of shot in a natural way. Even though the racquet is very light but the X-Yellow 99 can block/return heavy ball very well.

    Spin: This is the hightlight. I have good result in hitting spin at knee level and waist level as effective as from Babolat Aero Pro Drive GT, but I got much more ball feel/bite from the Yellow. The ball seems to sink into the string bed longer than APD, so I can feel more ball bite. I don't get this kind of solid feel from other spin-oriented racquets like Babolat AeroPro Drive GT, Head Extreme MP, or Prince EXO3 Tour. The closest one is Head Speed Pro, but it's way too heavier and sluggish.

    Volley/Slice: Some users commented about volley issue (stability) but I found no problem with that. It doesn't volley very sweet like Blue 94 or Wilson Pro Staff, but it's good enough. Because it's a light racquet, good footwork and weight transfer skills are required for punching deep volley. Forehand and backhand slices were sharp and much easier to hit than with heavy racquets.

    Summary: The yellow 99 is a fun racquet to play and at the same time can be a serious weapon for all-court aggressive players. It's good for pure spin and best for half-flat/half spin. If you have Novak's swing style, you may like Yellow. The solid core feel makes this racquet very special in comparison to other spin-oriented hollow racquets in market today. In addition, it's one of the best control-oriented frame in a light racquet category I have tried. If you expect powerful winner shots, this is not a racquet for you (Go for Platinum 99). But if you have all-court game and love hitting the winners with extreme angles, the X-Yellow 99 can be the alternative to your current racquets. Those who use Wilson KTour 95, BLX Tour 95, or Babolat Aero Pro Drive and look for a faster racquet should try Donnay X-Yellow 99.

    Soon I will be testing X-White, and X-Dual Silver Lite and will update you guys again.
     
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    Suppawat

    I agree with just about everything you said. You actually read my thoughts.....the racquet is clearly not for flat hitters. It's not precise for straight shots but for any type of spin it is superb.....maybe the best ever.

    I hit a lot of flat shots so maybe that's why I didn't like the yellow? I thought the yellow and the silver lite ( same as yellow just dual core) were horrible on the flat serve but amazing on spin serves.....absolutely amazing!! In fact m second serve was just incredible with the yellow amd silver lite.

    I liked the feel of the xenocore better jere than the dual core on the silver lite extended especially on ground strokes . But on spun serves the dual core was freaking incredible . Go for the silver lite dual core over the yellow In my opinion.
     
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    I am not a flat hitter and i thought the yellow was okay, but not as good as the white. The yellow was not near as good from the baseline as the white. As far as serves go i think the white puts just as much spin as the yellow, but with a lot more precision.
     
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    Ya know now that I think about it I did like the silver lite better. I wa using the silver lite extended against a pro an the ball was just jumping. It was amazing!

    Thanks for reminding me. I'm going to edit my previous post. I tested so many that I got confused ....sorry.
     
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    You are confusing me also. What exactly are you saying?
     
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    The silver lite dual core is a better stick than the yellow xenocore.
     
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    Okay but you still think the white is the best for your game don't you?
     
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    ABSOLUTELY!!!! I love the white . It's perfection .....the only way they could possibly make it better is to put dual core in it.
     
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    Okay i just wanted to hear you admit it again, lol just kidding with you. I am still anxious to try some of the dual cores out
     
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    I'm happy to admit it. Best stick that I have ever played with in my life .

    By the way do you customize yours.....I put all the strips in amd a 10g weight.
     
  32. tlm

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    So far i have just been using the 5 gram butt cap, i am just about done with my indoor playoffs. When my season is over i do want to try it fully weighted. I hate to experiment to much right now. I also agree with you the white is the best stick i have ever used.
     
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    The other day, I hit some balls against wall with X-Yellow 99 and X-White 99 for an hour. I can feel that X-White generate a bit firmer feel and responded to fast balls a little better than X-Yellow 99 with noticably more plow-thru. The only thing I don't like about X-White is color. The X-White 99 doesn't stay white longer than the X-Yellow 99 stays yellow. Nothing much I can say until I play more in the court. Stay tuned.

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    I LOVE your pics. Can you do a photoshop of the Borg Donnay Pro in graphite next to the Dunlop McEnroe Maxply .
     
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    I agree with you assessments of the difference of the 2 rackets, about the color i don't really care to much about the color but the yellow does look good.
     
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    Let me find the pic of Dunlop Maxply and will do that. For now, how about these vintage Donnay? Unlike newer graphite racquets, these vintage wooden racquets don't play much different from each other. How do people in 70-80's choose the racquets when all these frames have so much similar characteristics - very heavy, soft, solid, low power, extreme plow-thru but vibrate really bad on off-center shots? But when hitting the sweetspot of these wooden frame, the feel is unbelievably sweet!

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    Awesome.....

    I also have the answer for you.....

    Back in the day basically all wood frames were the same . There wasn't much you could do with wood....you couldn't hollow it out and the weight and sizes were all about the same.

    Along cane Wilson with a great marketing idea ......the "autograph" racquet was born. They sold autographed racquets with new paintjobs so people would buy them.

    Not much ha changed today. They still use autographs and if you believe crap like "ncoded nano technology or "k" factor " then you have been tricked.
    Its all the sane marketing gimmick.
     
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    Says the guy who says xenocore is trash, but dual core is mana from heaven.

    Just teasing. I enjoy your impressions and enthusiasm. I mean... With all due respect!!!!
     
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    All Donnay X-Series racquets have unique color scheme. In a sunlight condition, the chrome paint makes the X-Series racquet look like the Star Wars's light sabre.

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    May the force be with you...
     
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    LOL.....

    But it's true. Dual core is Manna from heaven.....

    Just use this as am example.....Power Play was a big time user of the xenocore
    Black . He swore it was the greatest racquet on earth and told me to shut up about how great dual core is ( and he was right....I was a bit nuts about it).

    But look at PP now.....he has switched over to the platinum amd now he is the one having an orgasm over dual core.

    Having said that I sadly play with a xenocore.....but that's only because they dont make a white in dual core. If however Donnay ever makes a white with dual core then yes my whites are going in the garbage.

    With dual core you get more power but lose absolutely nothing with control.

    I'm a serve and volleyer.,.,.I need a lot of maneuverability at the net. Dual core does not help with maneuverability. There is nothing quite like the white at the net......even out guru Kal-el agrees on that.

    This is the only reason I don't use dual core.
     
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    Lol...weird guy, none of this is true.
     
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    I may be weird but I'm right as well:



    But this is how you felt about the black before switching to the plat:


     
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    PP never said the Black was "the greatest racquet on Earth" in that post. All he said was the Platinum had a better sound when hitting. I don't know how that translates into being the greatest racquet ever?

    Also, the Dual Cores have XeneCore in them, just two layers of it, hence the Dual term.

    LOL you take things out of context and exaggerate too much. No offense, but it's a little annoying. Sorry, I just had to get that out. Carry on :)
     
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    Look I was working from memory...I edited it above....You don't have to take it literally. Bottom line he LOVED the black and then he was blown away by the plat. What's the big deal?

    He called the black a "miracle" and a "Cadillac" level racquet. He bought two of them and now switched tp the plat..... Does that clear it up for you? A bit more precise?

    I don't understand what the big deal is? So what if the dual cores are amazing? They really are and anyone who says it isn't has not tried it yet.

     
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    Fair enough :) I don't want to detract from the thread, so I'll stop this argument here.

    Anyway, I can't wait for TW any longer to get the Duals in, so I'll probably buy a Silver Lite from Donnay. I just wanna try out a lighter Dual that I can customize for a polarized setup without going over my target specs, which my Silver is already over.
     
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    I'll also try and not be so radical......sorry.

    I'm not sure that you will like the silver lite.

    Although I love the dual core feel and I can see the difference it makes.....I really did not care for the yellow or silver lite ( yellow = silver lite with dual core).

    That's not to say you won't like it .....if you liked the yellow you will love the silver lite.

    The silver lite is an extremely spin friendly racquet. It really shined on second serves....slices and kicks were amazing. It's for a touch player.

    But if you hit flat balls or flat serves.....then I don't think this racquet will be for you. Suppawat had the same feelings as I did but with the yellow.

    I have never seen anything like it but I couldn't even get one flat serve in but spin serves were just off the charts. Hope that helps?
     
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    After trying the Silver right after the White, I really enjoyed the more solid feel of the Dual Core, which is why I chose it over the White.

    I have not tried the Yellow. Just the Blacks, Blues, Reds, and White. Recently just demoing the White last month, I liked it for much of the same reasons you do. The maneuverabilty is a great aspect of that racquet and I'm hoping to get the same maneuverabilty from the Silver Lite. My slices and serve were always on when I used the White. Slicing with the Silver doesn't feel anywhere near as good, but very solid everywhere else.

    Now, I'm just looking for the lightest Dual that I can customize to my preferred specs. I'm trying to keep it below 325g, leaded up, strung, and with leather grip.
     
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    Really good to meet you bro....most everyone here is a heavy stick user and those guys sorta
    look down on us light stick users ....lol.

    I had almost the same experience as you. I really liked the silver better than the white in every aspect except maneuverability & net play. The choice between silver and white was VERY tough.

    But the silver lite & yellow are VERY different than the plain silver and the white. By looking at the specs you would think that the white and silver lite are identical. The only difference is that one is 70
    Ra and the other is 67.... That's nothing ,....right?

    Wrong!! It shouldn't make much of a difference but on these racquets for some reason they do. The silver lite and yellow are both very spinny touchy feely sticks. They are incredible for a player like Fabrice Sanotoro......but if you have a flat serve in your arsenal then you can kiss it goodbye together with any other flat strokes,

    By the way....I liked the silver lite extended version over the silver standard.

    I M seriously considering using the silver lite extended version for clay court matches only....my flat serve doesn't seem to do sheet there anyway and neither does my flat strokes........hmmmmmmm food for thought.
     
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    Sorry A but that other thread seems to be dying and your comment is to good to not be seen.

     
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    Today is the day! Finally get to hit the new plat 99.

    Bounced a few balls off the house yesterday just to see how it felt. Didn't last long because my jack russell kept stealing the ball. Little dude would catch the ball on the fly off the wall in his mouth. He'd be a good net man!

    Can't tell too much just hitting some soft groundies off a house in the grass, but no way is flex in the 70s. My pdrgt is in the 70s and it is way stiffer. But the plat, although not as still, feels more substantial and solid.

    Anyway, I'll give my first impressions after my match today. I'm playing someone I usually beat, so if I lose it must be the racket's fault! :)
     

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