New Donnay X-Series - My Thoughts

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    I and my friends demoed X-Dark Red a few times, and we kind of had a mixed feeling. At first, the racquet was strung with Kirschbaum Pro Line II, no one liked it. It's hard to explain the feel but we knew the racquet and string didn't work well together. Later we changed to a test multifilament string (the one that TW passed around people in the forum), that has a crisp feel of synthetic gut and softness of multifilament. Now people start to like this mixture.

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    Anyway, I like your review a lot. Not many people can write the feeling into words as good as you do. Keep it up.
     
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    not really noticeable. only difference between the two seems to be in stiffness and color obviously :)
     
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    i saw the new 104 Donnay is coming out with during my meeting today as well. the new frame for alexandra stevenson. VERY nice looking racquet for the ladies :) i can't say anymore on it though sorry board!
     
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    also the racquet that courier plays with is set to come to market- it's not the 99 they sell now- and most likely the line will drop the red or orange 99
     
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    Donnay X-Blue 99 Review

    I think maybe i have enjoyed my time with the blue 99 the most of all the mix. Whereas I enjoyed the black 94 being a bit more flexy than the blue 94, this was not the case with the 99 line. I think the blue 99 being a bit stiffer works better with the 99 sq. in. head. Think blue 94 with the pop I felt that the 94 was lacking. The headsize does not feel like a 99 really. honestly felt like I was swinging a 95 around.

    GROUNDSTROKES 9/10
    This might just be the best racquet for groundstrokes i have ever hit. It has everything that I liked about the blue 94, but with some extra pop off the strings. the 16x20 string pattern works really well. I noticed a rediculous amount of control on both sides from the baseline. I have been absolutely crushing my forehand. The more i hit with this one, the more I like it as well. I spent 8 hours on the court with it today and realized how much I was having fun with it this afternoon. Pair the power with really heavy topspin and we have a winner here. My two handed backhand was really coming off the racquet with great power as well. My slice backhand was also seeing some improved bite. The weight of the racquet is the same as with the 94, and the 99 did not feel bulky whatsover. In fact i felt like it moved through the air even easier than the 94. All in all this frame performed very well in just about every area I can think of from the baseline. I am very impressed

    VOLLEYS 8.5/10

    I am up in the air on whether or not the 94 or the 99 performs better at the net. But since I said in my 94 review it was one of the best sticks at the net I've ever hit, that should say something here as well. i felt the 99 was a bit quicker through the air from the baseline than the 94, but not a quick at the net. The frame is still extremely stable, with a large sweetspot. Driving volleys were effortless and felt really good. Reflex volleys were also very good. The bigger head came in handy in just getting a little more string on the ball as well. Touch shots were also very easy to come by with the blue 99. It seems no matter how hard someone hits a shot at me, i can turn it into a drop volley no problem.

    SERVES 9/10


    CANNON alert! LOVE serving with the blue 99. The extra pop is much appreciated when seving here. i felt extremely confident serving in all areas of the court. I could easily dial up my normal power on my flat serve. I was striking flat serves down the T about as good as i ever have. i was also getting tremendous amounts of spin, whether it be kick or slice. I really enjoyed hitting slice serves out wide on the deuce side. I could go bit with it, or get nasty with the spin and was hitting some extreme angles.

    I have not had a ton of time to play around with weighting on the blue 99 yet. I have the lether grip removed, 5g cap in the handle and no strips currently. I will be tinkering around with this one some more and seeing if i can make it anymore lethal as well.

    OVERALL 9/10

    This is probably going to be my go to racquet from the Donnay line. I have been back and forth between a few of the frames, but every time I hit this frame I get a great vibe. I hit my groundstrokes and serve the best with this one, and the volleys are still rock solid. Again the racquet it pretty heavy, but if you like a heavy frame, this is def. worth checking out. Weight and balance are nice, string pattern is great, and all the things I liked about the blue 94 but with the pop I was looking for... what's not to like?
     
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    i think you are accurate here as well. I have a prototype of one of the new player frames coming out next. I will see if I can post a pic of it without getting slammed by the compnay when I get it this week.
     
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    Donnay X-Red 99

    cosmetically looks just like the 94 red. same smoke color as all of them fading into the red. This is one of the frames that I have had some time to both hit with and extensively mess with the weighting systems.

    for me the red 99 played the best with the 5 gram cap in the handle, and the 3 gram strips at 9:00 and 3:00. The standard 1g strips were fine, but i like the 3 better.

    the frame felt very good in it's stock weight with no strips as well.

    really all things considered, i did not care for the frame as much with the 10g cap and no strips. it altered the balance a bit too much for my liking and made the frame feel a little to whippy for me.

    GROUNDSTROKES 8.5/10

    This is an incredibly smooth stick from the baseline. I tend to agree a lot with the tenniswarehouse review of this frame. A great blend of power / control. if you are looking for a little more flexible 99 sq. in. than the blue, you are in for a treat with this one. One thing I noticed was that the depth of my shots seemed much improved over my usual with YT prestige mps. i loved how consitently I was striking the ball with this frame. I originally thought the black and blue would be too heavy for an 8 hour day on court, so i initially went to this. A little more power, from a softer feel on the groundies. My topspin forehand was realling working well, and I felt like I could take big cuts at the ball again with this frame. It did seem that although I was hitting topspin, the ball was coming off the strings a bit flatter than with some of the others. The frame is still rather balanced, but it felt a bit more whippy on my two handed backhand. once i added a little weight to the frame, it seemed to perform a little better as well. Return of serve again was very stable, whether I was getting aggressive on a weak serve, or just blocking back a big one. both felt very good to me.

    VOLLEYS 7/10

    the red 99 did not perform as good at the net in my opinion as some of the others. if i were strictly a baseliner, i may consider this frame a lot more than i did. it is pretty solid, but i did notice a bit of vibration from the frame on off center hits. I was still volleying pretty effectively with the red, but it left me wanting more. i could still drive the ball deep into the court on just about any volley rather effectively. however, it was the touch shots that didn't feel as good as I was getting with say the blue 99. the flexibility of this racquet did impress me on reflex volleys. i wasn't getting a ton of them, but they are reflext volleys haha. I was however getting more of them back than normal, which let me work back into a few points I feel I normally may have lost. All in all a good stick at the net, I just preferred the feel of some of the others really. Very easy to make contact and drive the ball, but simply lacked a bit of feel at times.

    SERVE 8/10

    The red 99 is a pretty nice serving frame. The first thing I noticed about it was how comfortable it felt when striking the serve. Because the frame is a bit lighter, it was very easy to get racquet head speed when going big on the serve. like on the groundstrokes, I did tend to notice a little flatter ball coming off the strings than I did with the others. Because I like booming flat serves, I did enjoy crushing flat ones at some of my players haha. With some of the other frames, I was going for more slice and kick... but with the red I liked going flatter. Slice still came off with quite a bit of bit, but my kick seemed like it wasn't doing too much. Favorite serve with the red was a big flat one out wide on the ad side. i was hitting bombs pretty far out wide, and very consistently as well. Overall I was pretty impressed with the red 99 while serving.

    OVERALL 7.5-8/10

    Overall this is a pretty impressive racquet. I like the fact that it is a bit lighter in weight. This allows for more comfortable use of the customization kit, which I did enjoy. I really did enjoy hitting groundstrokes with this racquet - especially my forehand. My backhand got a little whippy at times, but it was still smooth and comfortable when striking the ball at all paces. Although the frame performed well at the net (better than my prestige, but not as well as others in the Donnay line) I did prefer volleying with the heavier racquets that Donnay has put out a little better. Serving was good with the red 99 as well. It you are a flat hitter, this may be the racquet for you. If you tried the 94 version of the red, and liked the feel but thought it a bit heavy, then look no further than the 99 red... give it a go
     
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    Does anyone know how these new Donnays 94 play compared to the old Pro One Intld? I'd like to see a comparison if possible because the Pro Onoe Intld was a nice, flexy, solid feeling racquet, and you guys seem to find similar attributes in the new sticks.
     
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    yea a nice new start for donnay with the x series. nice looking line, thin beamed, with that classic flexy solid feel. there are models that offer a stiffer feel as well, but with the black, red, and dark red, that old school feel is there for sure.
     
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    doesn't that x yellow just scream old school agassi cosmetically? i love the way the yellow looks... and so do the juniors at my club. so many of them are using this now
     
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    these are just some pics i snapped while playing around with string set ups :)
     
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    Donnay X-White 99
    O.K. so the lighter frames in the line do not really appeal to my style of game, but I did feel the need to try out the whole line for Donnay and to answer any questions someone may have about the frame.

    So the White 99 is the stiffer version of the yellow 99. Kind of like what Donnay did with the black and the blue, just in a lighter form.

    It's weighted at 10oz, in what feels like a pretty balanced racquet. The tenniswarehouse review says it is the fastest swinging of the line, but I found the yellow to be a bit quicker honestly.

    I can see a TON of people liking this racquet. matter of fact, if you play with a racquet in the 9-11 oz range or so, I would say give this a look. You can weight it up however you want, but the racquet is an impressive offering.

    One thing I have noticed about 10oz or close racquets is that they generally play a little shaky. If you take a look, tenniswarehouse has compared it to racquets in the 11oz range, which in my opinion generally play a lot more solid. The white changes things up a bit. Think about the control of a prestige, in a lighter package than the radical. I taught a few days on court (probably about 12 hours on court) with the white and have these thoughts about the white 99. I've also had 3 older male clients of mine trade in their power series for the white 99, 2 junior players start using it, and a couple 4.5 women. So the frame does appeal to a very wide range of players.

    GROUNDSTROKES 8/10

    I was really surprised to find out how stable the white plays from the baseline. Like I said earlier, tenniswarehouse compares it to a radical, which I think is a fair assessment - but the white 99 is an oz lighter. Donnay is going after giving people that use things like the head speed lite, or z series from babolat a very easy to use frame that does not sacrafice ANY feel. The frame performs very nicely from the baseline, just as solid as the heavier players frame offerings in the X line. Racquet head speed is very easy to come by, which gives a very easy access to both power and spin. Shots were pretty effortlessly coming off with a lot of pace, while still giving me that nice confidence in knowing just where the ball was going. I actually really enjoyed teaching with the white 99, and I usually can't stand going light. Another thing I noticed was the access to spin. Not as much as the yellow, but that thing has crazy spin - - but still a nice access to both topspin and slice. This frame really felt good from all areas of the court. I think my favorite thing to hit with the white was approach shots. the frame just cuts through the ball so fast, i could just crush it deep or snap an angle winner out of nowhere. a surprisingly fun frame - - might be my new teaching racquet of choice actually.

    VOLLEYS 8/10

    I will put the white 99 up there with any racquet out on the market at the net actually. SUCH a nice frame for volleys. So light and maneuverable, without sacraficing any stability. The stability of the thin beam is nice when wanting to hit a powerful volley, and the white retains the same silky smooth touch that I noticed with all of the heavier racquets in the X-line. This also surprised me because in my hits in the past, most 10 oz. racquets really sacrafice a lot of feel and stability in their lighter offerings. Touch volleys were effortless. However, the racquet really sines on reflex volleys. Doubles players will also enjoy how quick this frame moves at the net. The sweetspot is very large, and off center hits still feel very stable with no vibration to the arm. When I teach I spend a lot of time at the net, so I did have AMPLE time to get the feel of this frame at the net. Again, even though the weight of the frame does not appeal to me personally, I was extremely impressed by this offering.

    SERVES 8/10

    I also enjoyed serving with this racquet. Too light for me to play a serious match with coupled with my motion, but it was very comfortable. The rock solid stability continued on service as well. Lots of whip gave me an almost effortless access to power, which i really enjoyed while serving when I was teaching. When I have 3 consecutive lessons that want to work on serve, it's nice being able to still pop a few without having to swing to hard. There is also some nice spin potential with the white 99. My kick serve was jumping up very nicely. However, my favorite serve to hit with the white was my slice. It was getting some really nice bite, and i didn't feel like I had to put a whole lot of effort into hitting it. It felt really good actually.

    OVERALL 8/10

    Overall this is a pretty impressive racquet in the x line. Although not a racquet I would switch to personally, it is a frame I can see appealing to a very wide range of players. It is an easy swinging players frame, that is very comfortable, with lots of power and spin in a lightweight package. Think feel of the prestige, power of the radical, with the weight of a speed light. Sorry - i was a head guy before this Donnay madness - so that's why you get that analogy. get out there and try the white 99 and let me know what you think :)
     
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    maybe try the red 94 then... but like i said i'd hurry on that one since they are not going to make the standard 94 anymore, only the heavier 94 +. but you may like that as well
     
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    Like the parallels you draw with some icons of the lightweight range, though not the Prestige except for its feel.

    "easy swinging players frame" seems either oxymoron or very appealing indeed.

    I play an athletic game, work hard on court. I overhit with the Pure Drives of this world because I don't camp on the baseline. I don't quite get enough sting with Radicals nor can carry it in long matches.

    I will demo the Speed Lite update which appears to be the Speed 300 MP but darn this Donnay white (unavailable in Aust) looks the business.

    TW have finalised their strung weight for this at Strung Weight: 10.7oz / 303g

    But mysteriously the swingweight given (295) is for unstrung. 295 doesn't seem a lot at all - it would be seriously underpowered - did you not find it underpowered?
     
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    what a joke... the way he states head heavy is for serve and volley, and weighted handle/headlight is for baseliners.. hm, a very strange advice, since the opposite is more common..And this from a former pro and the fact that Donnay approved...
     
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    at first with a high tension it was. but with the tension dropped down there is a lot of power with the white 99. i'd give it a go, and i'd like to know what you think of it when you hit is as well
     
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    i wouldn't say this is necessarily true. Maybe the frames you see pros using retail are more headlight. It seems to me most of them have their racquets leaded up to be either more balanced or head heavy though. again this is just my opinion not saying it's fact or anything. i know i've always preferred more of a balanced frame, so when I was hitting Wilson sticks for example I had to put serious lead on them to get the balance i like
     
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    all the different handles i could get my hands on this morning

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    Pffff.....why did they produce yellow weighting strips for a red and black racquet? Or have you simply used strips from a different racquet?

    It's interesting look at these racquets using the TW Power Zone comparison tools. The 94s seem to have Dunlop-esque oval / narrower sweetspots compared the rounder hoops of something like the BLX 95.
     
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    It must be from a different racquet. I was on Donnay's website the other day and they sell the strips in every color.
     
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    LOL nah i just put the different color strips in there - the yellow being from the yellow and the orange strips from the orange. I put the different colors in there so it was easier for my clients to see what the strips were. That and I like switching things up all the time haha
     
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    Can you or anyone else suggest a string for me to start with for these racquets? I am "string-norant" and the only thing that is more overwhelming than picking the racquet (finally got that done) has been picking a string. They don't let you demo those either. Haha. I'm just not even sure what a good all around string is... totally in the dark. :confused: Thought since you had played with these you might help me in the right direction.
     
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    I think I saw Rusedski somewhere on their website... haha.

    I'm not the right person to ask about being saved on court. However I can happily regurgitate pre-formulated facts and I know how to use copy and paste. That's how I got through school. :)
     
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    um well the donnay poly that comes with the racquets is pretty nice. ive been using pro line 2 in mine and found i liked it in all of the racquets except the dark red. i had sonic pro in the dark red once and it felt better. as for multis i havent done a lot of work with those as i pretty much use all poly so someone else may have to help you there. the hybrids in my pictures are for players of mine who are either trying out different set ups with me or have purchased one of their own
     
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    I think he is correct, it always surprised me how many people here say that hh is for baseliners. i love a racket to be at least 8 points hl, because like he said i like to whip the racket from the baseline to apply heavy spin. a hh racket feels like crap to me+is way to slow to get the fast racket head speed than i want.
     
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    Thanks. That helps.
     
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    That's amazing how much bigger the 99 looks like in the picture compared to the 94. Did you feel these were true to size?

    BTW, did you break a grommet on the 94 (top left in the pic)?
     
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    This picture is an optical illusion- in person they do not look that different- my only guess is the curvature of the lens and the fact that the 99 is facing more front. Odd
     
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    I don't know what it is, but it doesn't look like due to the curvature of the lens... look at the straight lines on the wall and the poster just behind. I don't see any curvature effect there.
     
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    nah they really arent that much different. i will post up some more pics when i get a chance. i must have been standing at an angle or had the racquets facing differently a bit.

    i had them both sitting on the stringer and leaning against the wall and a poster haha
     
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    no i dont see where you think it looks like a broken grommet. we did chip the headguard a bit though haha
     
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    Great reviews Kal, very informative. I have been using a wilson kobra team which is a little over 11 ounces. So i am going to demo the white 99,blue 99+the red 99.
     
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    hey tlm look fwd to any feedback on the white, yr lucky to demo
     
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    niiiiiice yea let me know what you think! all very nice playing frames
     
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    Donnay X-Yellow 99 Review

    ok i tried posting this in yellow, orange, dark orange, blah blah blah and you couldn't read it... so you get green haha

    Spin Monster! Just like the black is the more flexy version of the blue, the yellow is the more flexy version of the white. Stated weight on the yellow is 10 oz. just as the white. However, the yellow feels like it swings a bit lighter than the white. If you like tinkering with weights on your racquet, the yellow gives you a good platform at 10 oz. It plays well in the stock form, maintaining the amazing feel and control i have felt throughout my playtest, without any sacrafice to power. Actually, I have to say, I am most impressed with the white and yellow in the whole Donnay line. I knew their high weighted frames would play well, but I am just very impressed with how nice their lighter racquets play. I usually think 10 oz. frames feel like garbage, but these play just like lighter versions of their heavy big brothers :)

    Cosmetically I love the yellow. It screams of the old agaissi pro one, and the yellow looks great with the smoke / gunmetal color that are on all the donnays.

    I used every imaginable combo of weighting system with the yellow, and think it plays best with the 5g cap in the handle, and the stock strips in the head.

    I have had a lot of juniors ranging from decent to very good give this racquet a try in the last week or so as well. Almost every one of them has said that they prefer thos x-yellow to what they were hitting with originally. The price did scare a few away, but a couple of them have made the switch already and I think some of the others will come around on it.

    GROUNDSTROKES 8/10

    I liked hitting groundies with the yellow about as much as I liked hitting them with the white. I feel I got a bit more control with the white 99, but more power and spin from the yellow. The thing that amazed me was how much spin i was getting on my groundstokes. My forehand has crazy topspin. My backhand, usually a flatter shot, i found myself snapping some pretty heavy topsin as well. Slice had ample amounts of bite and were very effectice. However, i really enjoyed standing back on the baseline and seeing how nasty I could get with my topspin. I don't just camp at the baseline anymore, but I was really out having some fun with this racquet. for my swing, the frame kept a bit to quick through the ball for me to go for big flat winners on my groundstrokes. For those shots, I preferred the white. However, short angles were just effortless with the yellow. Very fun hit.

    VOLLEYS 7.5/10

    i think I enjoyed hitting with the white at the net a bit more than the yellow. i tend to gravitate towards stiffer frames when I am hitting, and i think that's why here. They yellow still has great feel, but did feel a bit flexy for my tastes. i think the 10-13 year old version of myself would have absolutely loved this frame though. The touch on the yellow was great. Drop volleys and short angles were very effective. I did notice I was having some issues getting the ball deep enough when I wanted to punch on though. This could just be because I wasn't used to the racquet though. The juniors i have had hitting with the yellow have all raved about how the yellow performs at the net. EVERY junior i've had hit with the Donnays has liked the yellow at the net better than the white, which I found interesting as well.

    SERVE 8.5/10

    The flexibility of the yellow 99 made it very comfortable to serve with. Again, the spin monster was attacking when I was serving with it haha. i was having a great time stepping up and just slapping slice serves. so much action, it was nuts. i also was enjoying hitting kicks with the yellow. Flat serves were easy to hit, though i thought my rotator cuff was going to rip off my body after hitting serves with the yellow for awhile. Just too light here for me to serve a ton with, after being so used to a heavy frame. Angle serves were my favorite to go for, using the massive spin as my weapon. The juniors I had out crushing the yellow were also loving hitting serves with the frame. They all commented on how much more solid the yellow 99 felt than the similar racquet they were hitting. I tend to agree with them.

    OVERALL 8/10

    I really think Donnay could do some serious damage in the lighter frames market. Their players frames will speak for themselves. However, I think they have put out the class of the light racquet market. To get the feel of a players frame in a 10 oz package is pretty impressive. To stay so light and not sacrafice stability or feel, while staying away from the thicker beam is a refreshing change. it can also get players used to what it feels like to swing a thin beamed players racquet, before they are able to swing the heavy ones available on the market. time will tell with these frames, but I am personally very impressed.
     
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    3000+ views and this is post #101 :) thanks everyone!
     
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  47. morten

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    so Kal, do you work for Donnay?
     
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  48. backatcha

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    Kal-El... Yesterday I spent 3 hours on the ball machine with the Black, Blue and Red 99's. What a blast! I had been waiting for two months for the demo these sticks and I was not disappointed. I quickly weeded out the Red... it was a good hit but compared to the other two, it was no contest.

    I am going out today and will be comparing the Black head to head to the Blue... it will be a battle of Titans.

    Yesterday, I found that I preferred the Blue 99 for my 1hb and the Black 99 for my forehand... but more than once during the demo, I switched (reversed) my preference... the question is "Can I control the extra power of the Blue 99 or is the Black the perfect SW for the heavy fh rips that I like to deliver?" Some times it was the Blue and some times it was the Black that I preferred... will check it later to update!

    PS: I did not see your review of the Black 99, I only saw the review for the 94... could you specifically compare the Black 99 to the Blue 99 from your perspective?
     
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    I will let you know what i think, i will be receiving the demos tomorrow. I will give some feedback by the weekend.
     
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  50. tlm

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    Kal do you know why the white is listed as having a stiffness rating of 64 on tw. But the donnay website says it is 70.
     

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