New Donnay X-Series - My Thoughts

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  1. tlm

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    I have been demoing the dual core rackets for about a month now and they are definitely different from the x series. The dc rackets seem to be much more arm friendly than the x series.

    They don't have as much crispness or distinct feel as the x series but you can't feel any vibration even on off center hits. So you lose some feel but also gain arm comfort.

    I have been using the x 99 white for a while now and do like this racket, but i believe i am going to switch to the dual core silver light.

    For me poly strung close to 60 lbs plays the best in these rackets. So even though the dual core rackets have more power that i need to diminish, i can string them higher with no arm problems compared to the x series.

    I demoed almost all the donnay rackets, the best x series rackets for me would be the black,red and white. The best dual core rackets were the silver light and the gold for my taste. The plat. 94 had a unique feel, but i was disappointed in the spin and control this racket has considering it is supposed to be a players racket.

    The dual core silver was a rocket launcher with way to much power for me. I have not tried the newer xp models which i am not interested in larger frames with thicker beams. The thin beam donnays are one of the things that make them so unique.

    I have demoed and used many rackets in the last few years, but to me the donnay rackets are different compared to everything else out there. I would suggest to take your time and demo all of them because they definitely play different. Some will prefer the x series, while others will like the dual cores better. But they are all very unique rackets.
     
  2. levy1

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    Great information. I will make sure I demo both. Thanks
     
  3. cayzi

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    tlm can you post a BAR code information from SILVER lite and SILVER racket.

    Also interested in GOLD.

    Can you please provide information what is your tennis knowledge? Because it is strange to me that SILVER Lite is ok and SILVER is to much power and then on the other hand GOLD is ok. I am missing something.

    As far as I know only GOLD require more full swing and it more demanding racket than the other two. Stiffness GOLD vs. SILVER what are your feelings??

    Thanks!
     
  4. tlm

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    I am an avid player that plays tennis all year long and am really picky about my equipment. I am a strong 4.0 singles player that plays in 4.5 singles summer league and 4.0 winter league. I am not the greatest player but i do know a lot about different rackets and string, if i showed you my credit card bills on string and rackets you would not question that.

    If you check the power levels the silver is one of the most powerful rackets donnay makes. Where the silver lite is listed as lot lower so there is nothing strange about that. What are you missing about the the silver having to much power and the gold being okay?

    The silver is a granny stick rocket launcher, the gold has much better control no comparison. The gold is a little heavier but still very easy to swing. The silver is heavier than the silver lite obviously but it swings and feels good, just way to much power for me.

    Maybe you think that because the gold and silver are a little heavier that would make them less powerful but in the silver that is just not the case. The gold is a blend of a players racket and tweener, very nice racket with a nice solid hit good control and nice feel.

    But for my game which is base line bashing with a lot of top spin the silver lite seems to suit me the best. I have been using the x 99 white for a while and it is a great racket. But for the control i need i like poly strung at 60lbs. or above and the white gets a little harsh with that set up, were the silver lite seems to reduce the shock a lot more.

    I use 10 grams butt cap weight for both of these rackets which puts the white at 11.3 ounces and 6 points head light and the silver lite at 11.0 ounces with a balance of 6 points head light.
    By the time you add an over wrap and the cap weight these rackets weigh more than what is listed.

    You say that the gold is more demanding which is probably true but it is not that big of a difference. As far as stiffness i did not notice a lot of difference in the gold and silver, but the silver lite is definitely more flexible feeling.
     
  5. Mig1NC

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    tlm, when I demo'd the gold I thought it was the perfect racquet for me, but my one critism is that I would liked it to have had maybe 1% more power on the power map.

    I'm wondering if I should keep demoing, or if I should dive in for the gold but hope that going with natural gut strings would bring up the power to what I am looking for.

    TW should have my demos returned by monday. So I could demo the silver...

    Your thoughts?
     
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    Does this look better now? :)

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  7. JGads

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    Hit with the Donnay Dual Pro for a couple hours now. Kind of a neutral experience for me so far. Most certainly hits line-drive forehands but it can be difficult to keep it in on occasion. So, lots of line-drive winners, and a handful of long errors.

    Struggling to find a groove on serve. First flat heaters are pretty good, but kickers and slices I'm finding a little difficult, as I'm not feeling the ball with this frame quite as well as I am with my Black Ace.

    Think some tweaking has to be done with the weight. I had the 10g cap in the butt and then 3g of lead at 3, 9 and 12. May go down to the 5g cap and fiddle with the lead up top.
     
  8. levy1

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    Keep tweaking and advising. Thanks
     
  9. tlm

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    The gold is a nice stick, if it is that close to what you want then you can easily adjust the strings to get the power level you want. Believe me gut will definitely bring up the power to more than 1%. But i would always advise to keep demoing, you never know what racket will work the best unless you try them.

    Sometimes i have found that the racket that i thought would not work for me turns out to be much better than the one that i thought for sure was just right according to the specs. You can't always trust just the weight and balance you have to hit with them.
     
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    Better? They look perfect!!! :-D
     
  11. cayzi

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    Thanks for your comments.

    Because also my credit card have a limit somewhere I need to decide what to take. SILVER or GOLD.

    Many shops including donnay help line told me that silver is less demanding and easy to customize since it is more balanced and 10g less weight.

    For customization Silver Lite is perfect so I will probably try this one.

    If anyone have more feedback about GOLD vs. SILVER is very welcome to read about it before I decide to order. :)

    Thanks
     
  12. tlm

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    You need to demo them if possible, remember the weight of most rackets usually ends up heavier than what is listed. The silver or silver lite do give you more room for customizing than the gold does.
     
  13. cayzi

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    I do not have option for try it first that is a reason to ask so much and try to find out.

    Yes I notice that. BEcause I got BAR codes from SILVER and SILVER Lite and their weight is

    SILVER: from 303g - 306g
    SILVER lite: from 289 - 290g.

    I do not want to get to heavy racket because once I tried Tecnifibre TF 320 but that was to much for me. Do not know what exactly but it could be weight, SW or something different.

    I like to have some room for customization to find my preferred configuration. If buying gold I am stuck with this kind of stuff.

    I x-White really that much low powered compare to SILVER lite?
     
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    Had a very brief rally session with the Dual Pro today following a match with my match stick (Ace Mid). Switched the 10g cap for the 5g cap and took the lead off from 12 and the stick felt much, much better to me. (still have lead at 3 and 9). Probably has to do with the fact that my Ace is more even-balanced as well.

    Anyway, changing ball direction -- going inside-out or pulling a cross-court forehand -- is very easy with this thing. Still not as tuned in to controlling depth on basic rally balls up the middle quite yet as I am with my other stick, and most importantly, serve consistency will have to improve if it really wants to contend with the Ace. But yeah, just a quick update. Didn't get a chance to serve with the new setup today.
     
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    I'm really hoping to demo the Dual Pro soon as I'm starting to look for a replacement for my Speedport Tour(s) and I'm thinking this could really be the one. Just hoping I have the game for it, but based on what is posted above and being a flat hitter it could work.

    Keep the reviews coming, totally appreciated
     
  16. tlm

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    The x white is lower powered than the silver lite, but not by a huge amount. The silver is the racket that seemed like it had a lot more power. The gold is a little more sluggish compared to the other 2. So you may not like the extra weight.

    The white and silver lite are both great rackets, i have been using the white for a while now. But i am going to make the change to the silver lite, i can serve much better with the sl plus it seems like it is much more arm friendly.

    The white is pretty arm friendly to but i like to play with full polys at pretty high tensions, which is definitely pushing it. But so far the sl seems to really dissipate the vibration. The white has a more distinct precise feel, it was deadly for drop shots and volleys.

    I don't think you can go wrong with either of these rackets, both are pretty light but have good plow through for their weight and a unique feel.
     
  17. classic tennis

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    For all you "New" Donnay fans you may want to look at uk fleabay there is one of the last true Donnay's made there, it's 18mm, Braided Graphite/Kevlar and 85 sq in (oh and it's not mine).
     
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    You mean White and Silver lite or Silver and ???.

    How much I need to customize let say Silver Lite to get SW around 320 and strung weight around 310-315g?

    Thanks!
     
  19. Mig1NC

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    The 10g buttcap and top slide (if they are 3g ea) should do the trick.
     
  20. cayzi

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    Ok which benefits I will get if I hardly modify Silver Lite or just buy Silver version and do so mirror customization?
     
  21. Mig1NC

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    Well, the silver appears to be a couple points stiffer. That is something that can't be changed with weights.
     
  22. tlm

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    The gold is a little heavier and the silver would be next, the white and silver lite swing very easy.
     
  23. levy1

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    Can anyone compare the std silver light to the extended?
     
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    I can choice on SILVER on this specifications? Should I expect any difference in such small differences in spec?

    --302323
    --301318

    What do you suggest? :)

    Thanks!
     
  25. captainobvious

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    Good luck with the silver, I dont think it will have the power you are looking for. :-?
     
  26. cayzi

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    I have XP dual (from today). I will try both and then decide.

    Reading all the posts in looks like Silver is powerful enough. will see.
     
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    Excellent. Im interested to hear your comments on both now that you have them in your posession ;)
    That silver is a very nice racquet, just needs a longer/faster swing than I currently have developed.
     
  28. gd!

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    302323 will give you more power if you swing it as fast as 301318 :D and probably be closer to your XP Dual...

    And now......GO OUT AND PLAY TENNIS!!! ;)
     
  29. cayzi

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    Are you joking or being serious?
     
  30. Mig1NC

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    I'm guessing 302323 is a digital combination of weight and balance. In which case 302323 is more head heavy than 301318. Assuming equal material density and stiffness then 302323 would have more power.
     
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    I am thinking the 302 means 30 to the second power on the forehand and the 323 is for the OHBH.
     
  32. cayzi

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    True. This is bar code for specifications.

    What happen with a power if i choice 306323 version. This are really small differene if you ask me but will this version have more power or just get more difficult to handle and move arround since it is havier?
     
  33. Mig1NC

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    I don't think you would see much difference. You are talking about 3g and the balance is the same.

    Assuming that the material density is the same (this is not always the case) then you would not see much difference.

    That being said I had a friend who had two Head Microgel Prestige MP that had the same weight and balance but different swing weights.
     
  34. gd!

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    Mass distribution is simply different ;) considering this nobody can surely answer anybody how weight/balance will influence racquet character by just reading the specs :D
     
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  35. Mig1NC

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    Yep. Exactly.
     
  36. Mig1NC

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    Well, my X-Dual Silver demo came in today from TW (along with some other non-Donnay frames).

    Going to hit with it tomorrow. I'll know soon enough if I want to purchase the Gold or Silver.
     
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    Forgive me if I've missed this over the previous 1700+ posts, but I was under the impression (from reading TW's shopping site) that the customization kit was sold separately. I didn't order the kit but was pleasantly surprised what showed up with my X-Blue 99 today:

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  38. TonyB

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    Anyone using the Dark Red these days? What string setup are you using? Which ones have you tried and been dissatisfied with?

    While I love the frame's swingweight, static weight, its "solidness", large sweetspot, and power level, I just can't seem to find a good string combination that brings out its FEEL. When I hit a ball, I don't feel like I'm 100% connected with it. I need to find a string that allows me to recognize where my shot is headed.

    So far, I've tried:

    NXT 16g at 52 lb. -- decent, but nothing special

    Big Hitter Blue 17g at 34 lb. -- started out very stiff, but softened up after a while, it was good, but lacking feedback and feel

    Big Hitter Blue 17g mains/Hollow Core 16g crosses at 46/48 lb. -- stiff, powerless, lacking spin



    Help!
     
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  39. Mig1NC

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    Just got back from hitting with the silver demo from TW. I would compare it to the gold like this.

    1. Feel - Gold had better touch. It was definately more smooth.
    2. Power - The difference wasn't too great, but it was clear that the silver generated more pace
    3. Serve - Silver
    4. Control - Gold
    5. Spin - Hard to say... Maybe gold was actually a little better, not much if at all. Could have been the strings... they were not the same.

    The demo didn't come with the customization gear. I would like to try the silver with a butt cap weight.

    Now the delima... Buy a Donnay now... Or wait and demo the new Dunlop 400 Tour in 2012... Why do they do this to me??
     
  40. gd!

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    At which tension strung do you compare Silver v Gold?
    Recommended tension for Gold is surely below Silver which is stiffer and head heavier, hence surely more powerful at same tension.
    So that should be nothing special about ;)
     
  41. Mig1NC

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    Eh, well I tested with whatever string and tension came in the demo from TW.

    TW usually strings around mid-range of manufacturer reccomended.

    In both demos they had some sythetic gut in the crosses. But I don't know what they had in the mains as there was no lettering on it.

    I'll check later to try and figure out more about the strings.
     
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    I have tried the Blue 99, Gold 94, Red 94 and Dark Red 94. When the chips are down and there are no more options, I keep going back to the Dark Red 94. For serves and shotmaking, i believe the DR is clearly the best(IMO). I've posted this info before, but I want to stress the fact that the Dark Red seems to be much more sensitive to string selection and tension. From my experience, the DR had feel but lacked stability on returns and when hitting heavy, deep, consistent topspin.

    I have tried a few string combinations. I'm currently using Volkl Cyclone 18 in the mains(strung at 52lbs) and Mantis Power Synthetic in the crosses(strung at 54lbs). This hybrid gives me excellent spin and controllable power. Feel is also excellent with this combination. I've also used Solinco Tour Bite 16 in the mains and Isospeed Control + Arm Protection 1.30 in the crosses. The Isospeed is a soft multifilament that absorbs vibration and allows me to hold the ball a little longer. However, I felt it muted my feel for the ball.

    I also tried a full bed of Prince Premiere LT 17. It had excellent feel that allowed me to hit some nice touch shots. However, it lost tension rather quickly.
     
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    Thanks for that info. I haven't tried the X-Blue 94/99 yet, but I may give them a demo to see how they compare to the X-Dark Red.

    I completely agree on the serves with the DR. A very solid and predictable frame for serving. I've also found volleys to be very reliable with it.

    But I need a stringbed that lets me judge the ball coming off the racquet a little better. I hit the ball, and it sort of goes where I want it to, and it's sort of got good pace and spin, but at the instant I hit the ball, I really have absolutely no clue what's going to happen. It's almost like hitting the ball with a blindfold on -- you just have to swing and hope, then take off the blindfold and watch the ball to see what happened. That's not really the way I want to play tennis.

    The X-Black 99 seemed to have almost TOO much feel -- a bit "twangy" and raw for my tastes, although it hit a nice ball. But no power whatsoever. I like a better balance between the frame and strings to provide power, not just rely on the strings to do the job and compensate for a powerless frame.

    I haven't noticed any "lack of stability" with the Dark Red. Fact is, it seems to be the MOST stable Donnay frame I've ever played with. It is SOLID.
     
  44. Mig1NC

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    The gold demo had TF Synthetic gut crosses, the silver demo had Prince sythetic gut with duraflex crosses.

    Both had a silver string as the main.
     
  45. gd!

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    Thanks, silver string might be that Donnay one or something like Topspin Cyber Flash stuff, but surely nothing more expensive than this.
    However, there are many hybrid options out there which enhance both control and power level compared to what the warehouse is sending out to its customers.
    As nice the demo option is, the more different your usual string setup is, the less you will know.
    One should store a few sets of such kind of cheaper strings to restring test racquets after demoing with one strings....self stringing helps, though :D ;)
     
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    Yeah. I agree. I don't want to give up some of my natural gut for a demo though :)
     
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    X-Dark Red string success



    Just to follow up on this, I strung my Dark Red with Tour Bite 17g at 30 lb. (yes, 30 lb.) and it is INCREDIBLE. The spin is outrageous, the feel is well above average, the power level is medium and controllable. Power level feels around the level of a good syn gut strung at 52 lb. But the spin is awesome. Serves took some getting used to (most of my initial serves went into the middle of the net), but once I started to hit more "up" on the ball, they were landing in the middle of the service box and hitting the fence about waist high. Tremendous kick (for me). All-out flat serves were a bit tough to generate... I just couldn't get the spin off of the ball!

    What I was really impressed with was the feel. Not the "touch", really, but the raw feel. When I hit the ball, I could feel where it was going, unlike almost every other string combination that I've tried so far. I didn't get a "thwack" sound like I expected from a poly, but rather more of a "swish" sound. I love the "thwack", but I'll take the "swish" since it gives me the best feel I've had from this frame so far.

    So in my opinion, the hype and raving about Tour Bite on this forum is legitimate. I was extremely impressed with this string. Tension loss after 1 hour of hard hitting was only about 1-2 lb. on the stringmeter, which is negligible. Control was great, spin was amazing, power level was good at 30 lb. I'll have to buy a few more sets of this stuff to try out different tensions.
     
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    Having heard a lot of good result from extremely low tension, I will try it. Thanks for sharing. Do you find the Tour Bite hold tension very well at 30 lbs?
     
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    Well, poly at low tensions definitely doesn't have that "multifilament" feel (as you suggested using for this frame), but it's good. I have some natural gut that I want to try as well, but because the Tour Bite is working so well, I might not get around to that for a while.

    Anyway, I haven't used it long enough to judge the tension loss, but I've had it strung for about 3-4 days and have played over an hour of hard hitting and it hasn't dropped more than 2-3 lb. so far. I've read good things from other reviews about Tour Bite holding tension well.

    I'll find out later this week when I get the chance to play more with it.

    As a side note, I tried stringing Tourna Big Hitter Blue in this frame at 35 lb. and I hated it. Very muted, felt stiff and plasticky. It did loosen up a bit, and I played great with it, but I never liked the feel. Tour Bite is a different animal altogether. It felt great right away and had more power and softness than the Big Hitter Blue. Much more spin, too.
     
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    I wish the 30 lbs set up with hold tension very well. Based on my own experiment (strung racquets at different tensions, play for 2 weeks, cut the main string, and observe shrinkage), Solinco Tour Bite and Barb Wire hold tension well if strung below 55 lbs. 52 lbs seems perfect to me in most cases. 58 lbs loose tension a bit quicker.

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