New Donnay X-Series - My Thoughts

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  1. pjonesy

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    That is thinking outside the box. Now that is what i call experimentation. I don't see how I could possibly avoid trying your 30 lbs tension with the tour bite! Spin is the foundation of my game and I would love to see what tour bite at that tension does to the ball.

    So, this was a full bed of Tour Bite 17 strung at 30 lbs?
     
  2. JGads

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    How come a section of one of the mains appears to be missing in each photo? That's funky.
     
  3. 10ACE

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    Read his post son- it was an experiment to show tension maintenance
     
  4. JGads

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    Riiiight. Sorry about that.
     
  5. cayzi

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    just a question regarding SILVER and GOLD racket and their SW.

    How much will Gold felt "lighter" in swing because of head light compare to Silver racket.

    Right now I am testing XP Dual and Silver and I must say that I love Silver and control + power. It is not so low powered as I expected to be but it is true that XP Dual is more powered and easy to swing around.
     
  6. TonyB

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    Yes it was a full bed.

    And it certainly is thinking out of the box. But honestly, it wasn't my idea. While I have to say that I've ALWAYS preferred low tensions (stringing with 42-48 lb. syn gut is not unusual for me in a 90 sq. in. frame), the idea of using poly at extremely low tensions was pioneered in this thread:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=319527


    I just ran with the idea, as I've always liked low tensions and I wanted to see how much spin and control I could gain with poly as opposed to syn gut. In my brief experience with low tensions in the 30 lb. range, I've noticed that not all polys are created equal. Soft polys seem to work better, but not always. I really enjoyed playing with Polystar Energy in my 90 sq. in. frame at 30 lb. It was awesome. But Tourna Big Hitter Blue at 34 lb. just STUNK! Tour Bite at 30 lb. is awesome. I hope it holds tension better than the Polystar Energy, which lost tension pretty quickly (within 2 hours) and was quite literally unplayable (uncontrollable, unpredictable) after about 6-8 hours of play. And the only reason I was able to stretch it out that long was that I'm already accustomed to playing with low tensions. I'm hoping to get more out of the Tour Bite.

    At this point, I may try some of the cheaper Solinco strings to see if they are similar in performance. I'm not overly interested in getting 110% spin production out of the strings, as I'm more of an all-court player rather than a baseline basher, so I would probably be happy with one of the non-textured polys if I could save some money and get 80% of the performance of the Tour Bite.
     
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  7. pjonesy

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    So, if I were to string hybrid with tour bite and a syn gut, would I string it tour bite-30lbs and syn gut 45? I've been stringing for a few years, but I have never considered stringing with extreme low tension. A full bed of co-poly would not work for me(shoulder).
     
  8. TonyB

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    First thing I would try is a full bed. The comfort level is extremely high with the Tour Bite at low tension. But if I were to suggest a hybrid, I would only go maybe 4 lb. higher with the syn gut (30M/34C).

    I did try a hybrid of Polystar Energy mains at 37 lb. and Prince Syn Gut Duraflex at 40 lb. and I actually thought it was okay. But not nearly the same as a full bed of Tour Bite. Fact is, I can't even say that the comfort was any better. Honestly, the full bed of Tour Bite at 30 lb. was substantially better overall than the hybrid.

    I would not go 15 lb. higher with the crosses, however. My feeling is that it would place excessive stress on the frame. And I can't really see any benefit to it. As I said, my suggestion is that you try a full bed and if you start to have any twinges of pain, cut it out and restring a hybrid with the crosses 4 lb. higher than the mains. Worst case is that you end up wasting $12. That's not much to pay for a potential game-changing stringbed.

    As I said, I absolutely loved Polystar Energy at 30 lb. It was ridiculously soft, yet with controllable power and feel (I hit some amazing drop shots with that setup), but unfortunately lost tension a bit too quickly for my tastes. So I went with the Big Hitter Blue, but that just sucked bigtime. Finally I tried Tour Bite at 30 lb. and was pleasantly surprised at how well it worked. There's no guarantee that I won't find some fault with it down the road, but for now I'm very excited to get back out on the court and see what else I can do with this setup.

    Give it a try and see for yourself.


    EDIT: I also want to clarify that I'm talking specifically about the X-Dark Red. I have been having some difficulty finding just the right string for it and the Tour Bite really brought that frame to life, which I haven't been able to find in any other string combination so far. I'm really excited about playing with this setup. But if you're talking about a different frame, then you might have a different experience than mine. There hasn't been much love around here for the Dark Red, but I absolutely love the frame. I'm switching to the Dark Red from the K90 and the Dark Red has an easier swing (although I've added a leather grip and some lead tape so that the static weight and swingweight is virtually identical to the K90), it has a larger sweetspot, gives more spin, and feels almost as solid. It's a really nice frame once you find the right strings.
     
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  9. Shangri La

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    All X racquets are $25 off on TW!
     
  10. BodegaBay

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    Thanks for the heads up Shangri-La! TW graciously refunded me the difference for the X-Blue I ordered last week.
     
  11. TonyB

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    Another update: I've played a match (2 hours) last night with this setup and it worked flawlessly. Great depth, amazing spin. I really liked volleying with this string setup, plenty of power and better control than I thought. Total tension loss so far (as measured by the stringmeter) is about 6-7 lb. after 1 week and about 4 hours of hitting/matches. Not bad, but nothing spectacular, either. I was hoping for better.

    I suspect next time I go out for 2 hours of hard drills, I'll lose another 2-3 lb. My guess is that this setup will be unplayable after 8 hours. But we'll see.

    But aside from the tension loss (I may go up to 32 lb. next time), I really, really love these strings and frame. I have no wrist pain (which I usually do), no elbow pain, no shoulder pain. I'm a happy man at this point. I've been playing with frames and strings all summer to replace my old K90 ever since I developed wrist pain with it. The X-Dark Red is an outstanding, if not superior, replacement in every way. Easier to swing (at the same static weight), more comfortable, slightly less control, and can deliver more spin than the K90. The only thing I haven't learned yet with this racquet is the outright winner. The K90 is amazing at pulling out an outright winner from nowhere during a normal baseline rally. Just turn up the heat and let 'er rip. The X-Dark Red is definitely more of a control frame, which is fine with me.
     
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  12. Shangri La

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    Nice! The Blue looks nice and I'm very attempted to try the 99...
     
  13. suppawat

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    Finally I've found the right set up for X-Dual Gold 99, +10g butt cap, 3g weight slide at 12, double overgrip over 4-1/4 (normally I play 4-3/8) and hybrid string at 55 lbs. The racquet plays very soft throughout the entire frame and this reminds me of Head PT57A. For sure, it's not 67RA as printed inside the throat. I think the Gold 99 may be just lighter and thinner version of PT57A (while Platinum 99 can match to PT57E). It's one of the most comfortable I've played. The way Gold 99 respond to hard-hitting ball is very well cushioned and comfortable, almost zero shock. Without 3g weight slide, the frame vibrates on off-center hit. No need to add more weight at 3/9 since the racquet is already torsionally stable.

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    The string I tried is also a dual core contruction. The outer core is poly and inner core is multifilament.
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  14. maxpotapov

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    Wait, what string is this?
     
  15. suppawat

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    Hi Max, it's a prototype string, not available in market yet.
     
  16. maxpotapov

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    That's what I long thought about: combine durability of poly for OUTER coating and elasticity of multi for inner core. I'm glad that end result makes racquets play more like PT57A :)

    And I'm very intrigued by your statement that Dual Core Donnays can be turned into Head Pro Stocks with standard customization and certain string setup.
     
  17. maxpotapov

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    I see where it's going: Xenocore string to compliment Xenocore lines of racquets. Brilliant idea, marketing wise, I guess Technifibre introduced similar approach with newest line of "perfectly matched" racquets+strings

    Strings is a money cow for any racquet company, like cartridges for any printer company.
     
  18. suppawat

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    The string is not from Donnay though :) But it seems to work well with a Donnay Dual Core racquet.
     
  19. suppawat

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    Next year, there will be a lot of string technology introduced. A few inventions that I know of include:

    1. Thicker guaged string that allow racquets with 16x19 string pattern to play very solid like 18x20 while maintain and spin potential of 16x19

    2. Hybrid dual core string that allows players to get the genuinely soft feel (not plastic feel) of multifilament, and get the durability and spin potential of poly. The sampler I am testing has the right feel, now they need to optimize for spin and durability. Stay tuned.

    I have a big collection of pro stock racquets including the popular PT7A and PT57E. The 57E was my favorite one because of solid feel, comfort, medium-stiff flex, and power. I don't care much about spin. When I first playtested two JHT027 frames (soft and stiff) which later the stiff one turn to be Platinum 99, I started to understand what Donnay is trying to achieve. It has a lot in common with PT57E execpt plow-thru that PT57E is a tad better. And when I played the Gold 99 last night, I immediately recognized the comfort from soft flex feel, and the way the ball dwells in stringbed of PT57A. The Gold may have better spin potential because of more open string pattern. So I think Donnay bring in a lot of good stuffs from pro stock racquets into their products. It'd be interesting to follow what Donnay is doing in the next release of racquets...may be tripple core, quad core, pentacore, xCore... we'll see.
     
  20. cayzi

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    suppawat did you try Silver maybe? I am very happy with Silver and feels much better for me than XP Dual. A lot of power.

    I am using this strings:
    http://www.solincosports.com/strings/tourbite hybrid.php

    Could you please tell me because now I am also interested in GOLD how this compare to SILVER. I guess with more static weight and less head heaviness + more flex you must have even longer swing to get power as SILVER deliver?

    Also I notice that Donnay grips are a little smaller than other brands. For example I have Donnay in grip size 3 and I have a feeling that is more like 2.5 size. Should I even consider bigger grip size because I can put my finger on tight in between other fingers when holding it as hammer.

    Here are the pictures how I measure the grip size on donnay grip size 3. It depends how I put my thumb finger - see pictures.

    1. picture how i pick my racket in head. I hold it normally - no big squeeze, normal holding.
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    2. picture if I position my thumb in a way shown in picture there is enough room for index finger.
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    3. if I position my thumb as shown in picture there is not enough to put my index finger in between.
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    So what is not with my grip size? Is it ok or should I get bigger one? I already use over grip - I think is 0,6mm thin.


    Thanks!
     
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  21. TonyB

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    I'm not being mean, but it's "thumb", not "thump". (Just trying to be helpful)

    Secondly, yes, it does look like you need a slightly larger grip size. I agree that the L3 grip is almost an L2.5 grip. I usually need an L2 grip, but I can actually get away with an L3 grip with Donnay.

    You might be able to add a second overgrip and build up the size so that it fits your hand better. I wouldn't say that your current grip is REALLY undersized, but you could certainly use a larger grip if you wanted.
     
  22. cayzi

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    Somewhere I read that Donnay grip 3 is smaller than usual 3 size but Donnay grip 4 is a really big.

    Putting 2 overgrips on racket I am afraid that I will lose some feeling of rounded grip shape or not?
     
  23. suppawat

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    Long time ago I played them side by side and cannot find the difference. I will spend more time with the Silver and see the difference. Please stay tuned.

    In terms of grip size, I can feel that in some Donnay racquets and found out that synthetic based grip partially cause the problem. Donnay synthetic grip is softer than other brands. When I hold the racquet tight, I can feel the Donnay grip size is smaller. Try a firmer grip like Volkl leather or Wilson K-Control grips.

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  24. suppawat

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    One user asked me to do a side-by-side comparison of headsize of Donnay 94 to Head 93, and Donnay 99 to Head 98. You guys may be interest to know too.

    Donnay 94 VS. Head 93
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    Donnay 99 to Head 98
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  25. Murray_fan1

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    Suppawat,

    Is that prototype string made by Solinco? I love their string especially tour bite so I am very eager to see what their next string will be. I noticed in one of the pictures you are using Solinco over grip? Just wondering how it stacks up to other over grips like Tourna, Supergrap etc.
     
  26. HiroProtagonist

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    Very interesting, seems like the Donnays are smaller than advertised just like the Heads, though it is hard to tell exactly, I would love it if the 99s were actually 95s just like the Head 98s.

    Thanks for posting those.
     
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  27. cayzi

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    So you are saying that I should exchange basic grip because Donnay is using thinner or more soft grips?
     
  28. suppawat

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    Yes, and let's see if it solves the problem. For me, it does help.
     
  29. gd!

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    Somebody willing to sell (a part of his or hers) customization kit? Let me know, I am interested in.

    By the way, I am also very much interested in to know your Donnay racquet head and grip weight, adding both total would be equal to racquet total weight ;)

    I describe you how it works:

    Take a electronic scale and search for book(s) of total same heigths than scale. Put the head to the middle of the scale and the grip to the middle of the book, read weight = Head weight.
    Vice versa = Grip weight.

    Currently using a Gamma T-7 at total weight 330 grams, headweight 155 - gripweight 175.

    Detailed info from your Donnay racquet would help me to find some close specs versus my Gamma which I am looking for. Thanks.
     
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  30. TonyB

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    I'm pretty sure the swingweight and balance measurements take all of this into account. Those two values should be enough to find a similar racquet for you.
     
  31. gd!

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    Tony, you're wrong and I explain you why; though X-Gold may offer closest specs compared to my current racquet I would like to take this additional information into consideration to go for any lighter Donnay racquet package and customize it with the kit.
    So, any Donnay as of X-Silver and below static weight could be a reasonable choice to me. As these are lighter, only looking at weight and balance won't help though. Hence, additional information of head and grip weight would help to investigate in if one of these could be a candidate.
    I may pay contribution to Donnay so far, but require this before paying money to them....thanks for reading.
     
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  32. cayzi

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    Then you should think of buying x silver light or silver.

    What do you think regarding xdual pro?

    Regards
     
  33. Shangri La

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    X-Dual Pro?

    Interested in more feedback on this racquet...

    Description
    For the high level and advanced player seeking unparalleled stability in a 21mm beam, the X-Dual 21mm model offers full sweetspot, power, control and shock absorption. 21mm Dual core provides unseen performance and longevity unattainable with conventional hollow single tube rackets. Full customization program is also available at **** Tennis.

    Specifications
    Head size: 97sqi
    Unstrung Weight: 310g
    Unstrung Balance: 315mm
    Strung Weight: 11.5oz
    Strung Balance: 5 Points HL
    Strung Swing Wt: 318
    String Pattern: 18x20
    Stiffness (RDC): 64
    Grip: Cushion
    Rec. String Tension: 55lbs (+/- 5)
    Beam Width: 21/21/21mm**
    Length: 27

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    Supposedly James Blake's racquet of choice:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=385554&page=2

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  34. Fuji

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    Hey all!

    I've been lurking this thread since it came out, but I could never justify ordering a Donnay, although it seems they have so many new technologies, I really can't ignore it any longer.

    Which Donnay is for me? :) I know there are some Donnay Experts here so I figured this would be the best place to look.

    I'm an advancing 4.5 all court player, looking to be playing in university next year. I have a boat load of arm problems, but they do seem to be clearing up, which is great. I usually end points in under 10 shots. My whole goal is to try and take the net at some point to clean up whatever mess my groundstrokes make. Serving and volleying are what my game are built on, but my forehand and backhand are no joke either. I can hit with a fair bit of topspin on both sides, although my backhand I tend to hit flatter for a normal rally shot.

    I'm looking for something with a softer feel, and from the sounds of it the platinum is out of the question for me, other then that; I need help! :)

    Thanks in advance experts, I look forward to hearing from you!

    -Fuji
     
  35. TonyB

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    I'm a similar player (strong 4.5 S&V player who plays probably 50/50 singles/doubles) and previously used a K90 before I developed a wrist problem. I wanted a more flexible feeling racquet with a larger sweetspot that felt similar to the K90 without hurting my wrist. I switched to the Donnay X-Dark Red 94 and found it to be EXACTLY what I was looking for. Trust me, this frame is great for S&V, serves are similar to the K90, with slightly less power but more control and more spin. Volleys don't quite have the K90 solidness, but they're close and they're effortless.

    I find myself missing much fewer shots with the X-DR than I used to with the K90. And although I miss some of the putaway power that I used to enjoy with the K90, the control, spin, and consistency more than makes up for it. I also modified mine slightly by replacing the stock grip with the TW leather (1.3mm thickness), added 2 grams each at 3 and 9 o'clock, and added 3 grams just underneath the bridge. Total weight is 362 grams.

    I've tried a number of string setups with the Dark Red without much luck. It seems to be fairly sensitive to string selection and tension. However, I did like the TW demo racquet setup (Cyberflash mains and PSGD crosses at mid tension) and I absolutely LOVE Tour Bite strung at 30 lb. You may want to try a slightly higher tension, but I'm loving the Tour Bite overall.
     
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  36. Fuji

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    That's so funny you mention that! That was one of the Donnays I was looking at as well! It seems to be a pretty good match for what I need! I've seen raving reviews for Tour Bite at lower tensions!

    How comfortable is it on the wrist and arm? I've been browsing slightly healthier options then my KPS88, but the game I play with it is quite good, which is making it difficult!

    -Fuji
     
  37. TonyB

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    Well, some of them may be MY reviews for the Tour Bite. But I really think it suits this frame well. I tried a bunch of different strings, hybrids, etc. and the Tour Bite stands out clearly as being much better than the others.

    As I said, my wrist pain is gone. I have no elbow pain with this frame with any string combination. I recently added the 3 grams at the bridge, but I had no issues without the weight, either.

    I wanted a more flexible frame than the K90, with a larger sweet spot, and I found it. I hardly have any mis-hits anymore and even on off-center shots the frame still feels comfortable. My doubles play has become MUCH more consistent, even though I can't punish the ball like I can with the K90. The Dark Red just feels SOLID and swings very easily. I'm happy with it for now, but it will take some getting used to because it does swing different than the K90. It is similar enough where I shouldn't have to work too hard to get my timing back.
     
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    Could you please give me your thoughts on the Donnay X Dual Silver Lite 99. Is it smooth? Does it have tortional stability on off-center shots? Can it handle heavy shots. Does it have power on the run or does one have to produce all the power?
    I am a 50 year old lady who enjoys hitting hard like in my younger tourmanent playing days. Am playing after a very long layoff and have run into wrist/elbow issues.
    Specs seem appealing as I am looking for a wrist/elbow/arm friendly stick. 61 stiffness, 298 grams swingweight, 2points headlite & 301 grams weight. Wish it were more headlite though. Would be easy on my wrist.
    Look forward to your opinion.
     
  39. Enthu

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    :)Could you please give me your thoughts on the Donnay X Dual Silver Lite 99. Is it smooth? Does it have tortional stability on off-center shots? Can it handle heavy shots. Does it have power on the run or does one have to produce all the power?
    I am a 50 year old lady who enjoys hitting hard like in my younger tourmanent playing days. Am playing after a very long layoff and have run into wrist/elbow issues.
    Specs seem appealing as I am looking for a wrist/elbow/arm friendly stick. 61 stiffness, 298 grams swingweight, 2points headlite & 301 grams weight. Wish it were more headlite though. Would be easy on my wrist.
    Look forward to your opinion.
     
  40. gd!

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    Q 2 Kal-El 34, suppawat and other helpful users

    After reading a lot during last couple of weeks about X and X-Dual line I decided myself to try out X-Yellow, X-White, X-Silver lite but add 10g butt cap + 3g head slide; this should bring specs close to X-Silver but at remarkable lower stiffness! To do so I have a customization kit on order from TW.

    Will see if the lower stiffness will allow for increased dwell time I desperately require for my one handed backhand. Secondly the lower stiffness may provide less power level compared to X-Silver which would be nice, too.

    Appreciate to receive further information and ideas on how the above racquets would perform with 10g but cap and 3g head slide. I assume the feel of hitting / ball striking the stringbed will not change by using head slide only?!

    Thanks gd!
     
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  41. suppawat

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    Hi GD,

    I have tried the yellow with 2x3g weight slides at 3/9 and found it too heavy and sluggish. The stock form Yellow already has a right weight and balance for me. I haven't tried White and Silver Lite long enough, but long enough to know that I like Yellow 99 and Gold 99 better :)

    For Gold 99, it doesn't make much difference from Silver 99 when both of them are in stock form. So I keep customizing the Gold 99 until I found adding 3g weight slide at the top and +10g butt cap is perfect for me. Main reason I installed 3g weight slide at the top because I found the frame vibrated on mishit near the top of hoop. It also add dynamic flex on fast swing.
     
  42. cayzi

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    Suppawat: how would you compare character of x-red vs. Gold vs silver.

    Thanks
     
  43. JMcQ

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    I'd be interested as well. I just started a thread wondering what the similarities/differences were between the X-Red and the Gold.
     
  44. suppawat

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    Even though Gold 99 is a replacement for Red 99, but I found good reasons to keep Red 99 :) The Red 99 is a versatile racquet and definitely has more feel than Gold 99. Swingweight is pretty low (like KBlade Tour), I can play it in stock form or with 3 weight slides installed. Those who are feel-oriented players who have full swing with slow-medium downswing and fast follow thru will enjoy the smooth and solid feel of Red99. The string that works best is Tour Bite + Synthetic or full job of Solinco Barb Wire. Actually, several top juniors here use the Red 99. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR6jXIM1-lY

    Gold 99 on the other hands, has a huge sweet spot and definitely more power. On ball impact, it has a softer and more mute feel with nearly zero shock to my arm. In stock form, I found racquet swings a bit too light and hitting near the top hoop generate vibration. +3g weight slide at 12 o'clock solve the vibration problem. I think the Gold 99 is good for hard-hitters who don't want to worry about hitting off-center. One to note, I found all dual core racquets swing lighter than X-Series racquets in the same weight. When you buy dual core racquets, consider buying customization kits too.
     
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  45. prjacobs

    prjacobs Professional

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    How you you find serving with the Gold 99?
    Thanks...
     
  46. cayzi

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    If gold is new red how then orange compare to silver?
     
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  48. Mig1NC

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    I much prefer the silver to orange. The silver had a much bigger sweet zone and more comfortable feel than the orange, with more power.

    Serves were much better with the silver than the orange.
     
  49. cayzi

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    Ok then in question are just GOLD or RED. :) I really like SILVER but still I would like to try other Donnay. On the other hand money is an issue. :)
     
  50. gd!

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    other grommets to fit X-Yellow?

    Hi

    Donnay live chat is not willing or able to answer my Q:shock:, hence I may try here.
    Anybody who knows which other grommets fit to X-Yellow? Just for optical reason but I would prefer something like Silver lite grommets.

    Thanks for helping.

    edit
    You're infected rather than injected:cool:
     
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