Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Kal-El 34, Mar 3, 2011.
Really wish I could afford one of these.. X-Red 99/94's look so awesome.
How well does the thin beamed X-White do against heavy hitters and servers? Is there enough inherent power in the stick to block back shots well when out of position?
This racket has no problem against heavy hitters.
Just got back from hitting with the white today. I really like this stick, i want to keep trying different strings+tension though. To me the poly hybrid i have in it plays good, but i dont like the feel of poly. It makes the racket feel harsher than i like, which only time will tell if it bothers my arm.
I will keep trying different multi's in it hoping i can get the performance out of it without the poly. I am anxious to try the yellow next week. I am hoping it is less powerful than the white, which being it has more flex it should be.
I hit with the white, But it just felt too light to me, The orange was better weight.
Anyone have a One Handed Backhand and tried the Blue 99? How did it feel?
I have not tried the orange but that is closer to the weight i am used to. But it is as stiff as the white is, so i am leaning more towards the yellow. I can add enough weight to the yellow to make it around 11.6 ounces which would be my current racket weight.
Great. Not sure why people think size matters, in terms of 1hb at least.
Orange - String Recs
I've got my Oranges strung up with RPM in the mains at 57 and Gut crosses at 59. Everything I've read in the thread suggests going lower. What are your fave string setups for the Orange and Donnays in general? I feel like I'm missing something.
I spent the last week on the ball machine specifically comparing the Black 99 to the Blue 99. I have a 1hb and spent a lot of time dialing in this particular stroke.
At first, I though the Blue 99 was going to be the better stick for my backhand (it had a higher swing weight and there was a lot of plow through with the Blue 99). However, I found that the extra power in the Blue 99 put to much depth on the ball. Ultimately, I found that I preferred the Black 99 because I could take a full strike at the ball and it would drop within a foot of the baseline... I found that with the Blue 99 I had to alter my stroke (ease up on the swing) to consistently hit the corners... Thus, if you have a slower stroke or half stroke on your backhand, the power of the Blue 99 will come in handy... but if you have a full stroke and occasionally put some juice on the ball, the Black 99 may be a better choice.
The bottom line is that the Blue 99 is a very powerful stick and depending on your swing style could work well for you.
full pro line II
x white freshly done
The blue 99 feels great with my 1HBH.
I'm interested in your thoughts about this thread...
--- the lead tape added on to the frame by Donnay ---
I don't have access to other Donnay X-series racquets so I would like to know if you have seen it on your racquets...
Just wondering Kal how much power difference between the white+the yellow?
Thanks for the reply, do you think that a different string job could control the power? And what do you think about other aspects of the racquet? Was it too powerful for anything else?
I have a 1HBH and really liked the Blue 99 on slices and flatter drives but the only reason I didnt buy it was it just wasnt that great with my very top spinny full eastern BH... like Hennin's. It's a very radical stroke compared to most 1 handers. It wasnt bad it just wasnt ideal, it felt a bit boardy like an old pro staff, not my thing.
You should try the blue 99 yourself though... it was great for serving though both flat and kicks and volleys were lovely. One of the best looking rackets ever, I really wanted to buy it but the Prestige's edged it out... just as good on serves maybe a lil more control ... not as good for forehands as the 99 blue but nothing is perfect. Every racket requires some adjustment but demoing is a must before you commit. The Donnay's have a "thuddy" solid feel anyone who played with wood will dig.
Bascially right now I use a K Factor 95 18x20 can anyone also compare the black and blue 94 to it. Thanks
i have not seen that on another one of my racquets. i have sent an e-mail to the CEO of Donnay regarding this incident though and will let you know when I get a response
I'd say it depends on your stroke. If you hit flat the above might apply. If you hit with spin not so much. I loved the extra power of the Blue over the Black. I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking the way to tame extra power, whether it be from a powerful racquet or string set up, is to swing slower. You can also swing harder, but add more spin.
Hit with the white for a short time to test out new string job. This time i put in prince premier lt 16 gauge at 60 lbs. This set up played very nice, i am so happy to find out by raising the tension i could get this stick to play good with a full multi job.
It was probably a few pounds to tight but it was real close to what i want. I would rather have it like that than to lively. This was the first time i was able to get the power level right without using poly. That made my day, because if i had to use poly to get it right i was not going to use this racket.
These rackets are unique, to have a racket this light play this solid is unheard of. When i purchase one i will probably get the weight up to around 11.5 ounces which is what i usually use. The thing most impressive to me is the way that i can go for my shots, if i get anything short i just rip it. The ball will just jet down into the court, with my kobra i can do this also but i must be much more precise.
That is the thing about this racket i dont need to be so perfect on my swing+timing, just let it rip. I am a counter puncher that loops heavy top spin, but i need to attack more. This racket is perfect for that. I can still loop nasty kicking top spin but now i can also attack with the flatter shot also.
I use the backhand slice a lot+this racket hits a really good slice. I have found that the heavy players rackets are the best for slicing, but this racket can do the same without the added weight. The serve seems very nice to, there is nothing i have found that this racket does not do better than my old one.
Plus i have only been using it for 4 days, just now getting the right set up in it. I am a racket junkie+ very particular about rackets, have demoed+purchased many sticks. I would advise anyone interested in changing rackets to give these donnays a try, they are different from the rest.
i have rather fast, powerful strokes and i have not found the blue to be too powerful. i have really enjoyed the blend of pop and amazing control
right in the same league. i mean i was using the prestige MP for quite sometime before there. However, I knew after only a short hit that I liked the feel of these frames a bit better. from then it was just a matter of finding which one i liked best.
i'd say the black 94 / 99 play the closest to the prestige, but the blues are right there. the blue 99 played like everything i wanted from the prestige MP. it was powerful, with a little more natural pop than my prestige. groundstrokes with the blue 99 were landing consistently deeper in the court with more spin in pretty much every type. Topspin was noticeably heavier, and my slice had more bite. the blue 99 was a little more agile at the net, with a bigger sweetspot and more control here as well. Serving took a bit of time to get used to, but now I love it. For flat serves the two frames are pretty similar, but spin serves i give the win to the blue 99.
Which Donnay racquet(s) has/have too much power for you? Thanks!
i wouldn't really say any of them have "too much power' they are all built for more feel and control. with the right set up and the right weight, there is one to suit pretty much all levels of the game. None of the racquets are uncontrollable. from the 10 oz. frames to the heaviest of them all, they all have a good response.
between the black and the blue the blue def. has a bit more pop to it, but i love how both play in their own respect. I would not worry about 'too much" power with these frames. actually is their "too much" power if it is controllable??
Sorry, I was not accurate enough Everything you said has a perfect sense. Here is the rationale behind my question: you are much better than me and if you say: 'this racquet has too much power for me/my game' chances are it would to be a good choice for me to put it on my 'to demo' list. I did try Black94 and it was too demanding...
Yuan, as you can see there are differing opinions regarding the issue of power... and I really believe that both the Blue 99 and the Black 99 are fantastic sticks... if you can, please demo both to compare and see which is best for you. Regarding your question on the strings, yes I do believe that the string setup will have a significant affect on the power of these or for that matter any racquet. however, I believe that these Donnays may be particularly string and tension sensitive... they string very stiff as indicated by the low recommended tension by the manufacturer of 50lbs.
Hey BC, your experience was interesting... I found both the Blue and the Black 99's a lot more spinny than either Prestige (the Pro or MP)... I have a pretty radical BH stroke too and have found it easier to generate the topspin on the Donnays.
I do agree, it does depend on your stroke... I found both these models - the Black 99 and the Blue 99 to be inherently powerful and each had its particular range and depth for my individual stokes (generally a semi-western modern forehand and a fast topspin eastern backhand). I was merely suggesting that if Yuan has a weaker stroke (particularly on his backhand side) that the Blue 99 may offer some convenient power (as the stock SW is 331, up to 340 with the side weights in)... for me, I found the balance of power was better with the Black 99 particularly when I ripped the ball from the baseline or aggressively executed a dipping passing shot. However, I completely agree regarding your point of the relationship of head speed, topspin and control.
Powerwise, I thought the Red 99 was the closest to the Prestige MP when I was demoing the racquets. Both the Prestige and the Red 99 have the same SW of 318.
I too have used the Prestige MP for a long time... and I agree that both the Blue and the Black offer more power (and significantly more spin) with only slightly less control... regarding the serve, WOW, these racquets are awesome... after playing with the Donnays, I don't want to go back... I am hitting too well with these sticks... I just purchase 2 Black 99's (matched of course) for myself and a Black 99 for my gal... after 7 days on the ball machine and literally thousands of balls... I am completely sold on these racquets!
PS I am only surprised (and saddened :cry that everyone is focused on the Blue and no one is exclaming the virtues of the Black 99... I mean really, even you have reviewed all the 99's except the lonely Black... so someone has to stick up for the Black model... it may be the sleeper or the bunch!
Bob, Relative to the 94's, the 99's have a huge sweet spot and are unusually forgiving for the control they deliver. I would love to hear your experience and comparison of the Black 99 and the Blue 99... so please demo both!
Hey Backatcha thanks for your reply, unfortunately I live in Australia and it would be hard to come up with demos. However your right my backhand isnt a particularly strong shot. Have you tried both the Blue and Black 99 if so could you please compare them? Thank you
Good stuff tlm thank you. I'm hearing so far - unique feel, punches above its weight, great frame feedback, fast through the contact zone.
Why push the weight up though?
Personally, I'd not be able to go beyond stock - why do you feel the need to do that?
With the Prince string in I think you've given it a kind of ground zero test and it seems to be passing it so far, keep us posted.
Thanks to Kal's photo I've seen the Donnay grip shape - which brand would you equate it to?
Still trying the yellow out?
I will just experiment with the weight some, i usually use a racket around 11+1/2 ounces. So i would try this stick at that weight, that does not mean that i would switch to it. Yellow will be in this week, anxious to try it.
I just played 1.5 hrs with the Red 99 by chance and all I can is what a truly special stick this is.
My buddy had a cachet of demos from TW and I immediately grabbed this one and didn't put it down.
One question: I popped off the butt cap and the clear plastic piece wouldn't go back on, the weight had the glue but the clear D piece was in limbo. What did I do wrong in inspecting the contraption?
This thing has tremendous plow thru, it almost felt like an 88 in many ways.
If I REALLY liked the X RED 99 what other one should I demo? I was always meaning to demo the 94 Black.
I could easily see myself switching to this frame, incredible stick. I couldn't put it down.
What do you think the biggest difference is as far as using the 16 guage (like you are) compared to the 17 guage? Did you go with the 16 to "lessen" the power a bit?
Black 99 doesn't cut through the plane as well as the Blue99. Both great racquets- I think for anyone to truly understand they need to demo both- I find the blue99 much better for my forehand Eastern extreme straight arm. The blue just snaps through contact point and feels better through prontation. DBHB black 99 is solid. Serves again Blue99 just so smooth through probation and honestly the flex doesn't seems as high as the 64-66 this blue99 is rated. Anyway Blue 99 out of mostly the entire line fits my game the best.
If you are asking me about the difference in gauges, i have not experimented enough to say the difference between different diameters. I just know that the racket was to powerful at 55lbs. tension, but played great at 60lbs. I don't think the gauges of string are near as important as the tension.
X-Black 99 Review
ok guys i have been meaning to get to this. i really have i promise but these reviews don't just pop out of mid air
again, cosmetically... the black 99 looks lethal. However, as posted earlier, where i liked the flex of the black 94 better than the blue 94, I felt the opposite of the 99's. this is not to say the black 99 is a bad racquet. It is the smoother cousin of the blue 99.
I again found hitting groundstrokes with the black 99 to be very nice. Instantly I noticed a little less natural "pop" compared to the blue 99. However, I was getting a bit more control on bigger swinging groundstrokes. Spin potential seemed close, but not as much as I saw with the blue 99. I liked the fact that I could take gigantic cuts at the ball, and knew precisely where it was going every time. The feel and balance of this frame is amazing. My 2 handed backhand was great with this as well. I was really ripping through my shots with great accuracy. I was not however, getting the massive topspin that I was getting with the blue. I think flatter hitters may enjoy this frame a lot. I felt my slice was a bit better with the blue 99, as the black just didn't seem to snap through the air as effortlessly for me. Flatter groundstrokes were lethal though. I was really crushing the ball and felt good going for broke on just about any shot. Someone in an earlier post said something I liked about this frame... it's not getting as much chatter as the others, but it may just be the sleeper of the group
The added flex of the black 99 really made touch volleys sweet. The ball really pocketed well on the strings and I was getting some really nice angles, and amazing drop volleys. It was not difficult to go deep on flatter volleys either. The frame moved through the air about as easily as the blue 99, and it did not feel bulky whatsoever. Personally, I enjoy that the blue 99 felt a bit more crisp, especially on reflex volleys, but the black 99 performed very well too. Like I have said with previous reviews, the sweet spot on the x series is fantastic. very big, very comfortable, and no real vibration or shock to the arm on off center hits. Really a great performing frame at the net.
Serving with this frame is solid. The frame feels so solid when striking the ball on big swings, i loved it. Again, a little less pop that the blue 99, but still enough to feel very confident Flat serves were effortlessly coming off the racquet with great power and consistency. I was able to generate a pretty fair amount of spin, both with kick and slice, but not as crazy as I was getting with the blue 99. again it just did not feel like it cut through the ball on the spinners quite like the blue.
Overall I think this is another racquet to be taken seriously among the tennis community. Donnay has really put out a great line of sticks, and I think it will be interesting the see where the company goes in the coming year. I seemed to prefer the blue 99 when I was hitting personally, but I can see a lot of people really falling in love with the black 99 as well. I would love to get an opinion from a flatter hitter on this frame as well. Big time groundies, good touch at the net, and a cannon on the serve... sounds like a pretty good combo to me!
Red 99 vs Blue 99? I just got my blue 99 demo. It has a silver buttcap with a white D. Is this the stock setup?
yes this is stock. silver cap with black D is 5g and black cap with silver D is 10g
looks pretty legit. i have not seen this yet so i can't really make any comment to it. i do know they are coming out with a 104 but this is not the color scheme i was told it was going to be. maybe this is a prototype though
that thing looks slick though
So basically the weight kit is worth about .5 ounce. (10g buttcap plus strips) So a fully loaded red would be 12 oz and a blue would be 12.5? I am looking for a wilsonish feel.
Now if they would only make an extended stick..... Same story, different company.
The tension range is 5 lbs lower than a normal rac. Is that accurate?
they will make your frame extended no problem. contact them via the website or me directly
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i updated post #1 in the discussion to include a link to each individual review. this will make it easy to find one if you are just wanting to read a review and don't want to scroll through all the pages
it is accurate. these frames play better at lower tensions IMO... except for the dark red
Copy that, I am a full poly user (hyperion). I'm thinking 52 lbs for 17g.
Sorry for all the questions, I am watching Indian wells, drinking and fondling this blue 99.
Do you pull the head weight strip all the way down and out the side (4 o clock) to remove it?
TMI, Fed. TMI.
And the weight strips, pull them out if they come out that way; but sometimes they're stubborn and stick to the frame, in which case I have in the past just ripped them up and out over the top of their slots. Doesn't seem to really hurt the strips or the frame.
using the key also helps if they get stuck. you do not have to slide the top strip down through the side ports to remove them. there are points they can be placed in and thus taken out of just off the sides of the headguard
sounds like a fantastic set up. i am loving the pro line II in there at similar tension... and am going to be experimenting with Savage, Adrenaline rough, and genesis typhoon here soon
I think they sell the X-Yellow a half inch longer on their website.
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