New Federer - Nadal Article

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  1. HollerOne5

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=Annw62w2Rnk_9iCgLUG3KSQ4v7YF?slug=reu-federerquotes&prov=reuters&type=lgns

    Here's my favorite quote :


    What a joke - Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda - If Federer should have won, then why didn't he - I'm not a fan of either of these players, and although I do admire Federer's off court demeanor usually, he is really getting to me these days. I know it must be frustrating that he keeps losing to Nadal, but just fess up to it, and stop making excuses and saying you should have won. If that was the case, then Nadal should be saying how he should have won the Miami final in 2005 and be up 6-0 to Federer, but I don't believe he ever said such things. Anyone else annoyed by Federer's recent arrogance?
     
  2. jamauss

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    Why do people keep creating these threads? Haven't we beaten this dead horse already?

    And why is Federer saying he should have beat Nadal an excuse? I think something like "I got bad line calls" is an excuse. Saying he should have beat him sounds more like he's owning up to the fact that he didn't get the job done. How is this arrogant? It's just the truth.
     
  3. David L

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    When you have two consecutive match points, then make two unforced errors on the next two sitters and go on to lose the match, you really should have won. This would be true of anyone, but especially true of a 7 time Grand Slam winner with a reputation for rarely losing in finals. I don't believe Nadal had match points in Miami.
     
  4. jamauss

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    Exactly. Nice to see some common sense prevail around here.
     
  5. pswami

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    Beat me to it. +1.

    Excuses are normally where one brings up something not in his/her control as the main reason he/she did not accomplish something. Federer saying he was one shot away is something he had control over. He admitted that he didn't execute properly.

    I don't think it's arrogance. He didn't put down Nadal; didn't say that Nadal isn't good enough to handle him; didn't say that Nadal shouldn't have won any of the other matches they played because Nadal cheated or was coached or had bad line calls, etc. He does respect Nadal, that much is clear.
     
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    Am I in the opposite bizarro world or something? People actually agreeing that Federer isn't trying to make excuses, just stating the way things are? Wow...
     
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    He called it what it was. He should have closed it with those FH matchpoints, and he admitted it. How much does one have to hate the guy to hold it against him?
     
  8. superman1

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    What's he supposed to say? "I shouldn't have won. Nadal deserved it more than me." Of course he should have won, everyone thought he had won. Nadal was hanging on by a thread, and Federer choked under the pressure. Notice that he never said he should have won against Safin, even though he also had a match point in that match. That's because Safin was the dominant player in that match. The match was on his racquet, just like this match was on Fed's racquet.
     
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    The match in Miami last year was on Nadal's racquet, too, but he lost it, even though he was one bad line call away from being up 0-40 on Roger's serve.

    But later, he said, that line call didn't make the difference. He admitted he still had chances to win, and didn't do it.

    Same thing with Roger in Rome.

    He had chances, but didn't convert.

    One could have said that after beating Rafa in Miami last year, he had figured Nadal out. But time has proven that they both have a few more tricks up their sleeves.

    But one thing we know is that Rafa will go down swinging, and that's the kind of competition Roger isn't used to. "I'm a very confident player now," the Swiss said today. "I know my own game so well that Nadal can't break it down with a few victories against me. I definitely have the tools to dismantle any player." [Daily Telegraph]

    So we shall see.

    Vamos, Rafa!!!
     
  10. Tennis_Goodness

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    Miami wasn't exactly the same thing, Federer played in spurts and although Nadal was playing good, Federer was letting making a lot of stupid errors then started playing like he normally does and that's when he took control.

    In Rome, Federer controlled the entire match and should have put it away but in the end could not convert.

    I have to say Federer is one of the most confident players i've ever seen. He's like Jordan in that way!
     
  11. VamosRafa

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    But he didn't get the W, just as Rafa didn't a year ago.

    And that's what counts.

    And I don't think that Roger controlled the whole match in Rome. In fact in the third set it looked as though Rafa may cruise through the rest of it. It turned out to be a real dog fight, but I didn't think until the end of the fourth set that Roger may indeed win. And then he didn't.
     
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    Of course miami wasnt the same,nothing is ever the same when it comes to fed,its always different ya ya ********.

    No matter how much he crys+makes up excuses like uncle tony was coaching wa wa its okay because it is sir roger.He can make his egomaniac statements+its okay.

    No matter how obvious it is some of the fed fans can justify it.He reminds me of serena,she never really loses either!
     
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    "Of course miami wasnt the same,nothing is ever the same when it comes to fed,its always different ya ya ********.

    No matter how much he crys+makes up excuses like uncle tony was coaching wa wa its okay because it is sir roger.He can make his egomaniac statements+its okay.

    No matter how obvious it is some of the fed fans can justify it.He reminds me of serena,she never really loses either!"
    tlm

    Posted like a true amateur....
     
  14. VamosRafa

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    Posted like a true new user. ;-)

    Sorry couldn't resist.
     
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    Well, don't let someone get two match points on ya, I've never met anybody on any level who's had a match point, let alone two say that he couldn't have won, which apparently is what all you guys want to hear.
     
  16. Tennis_Goodness

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    He didn't get the Win in Rome , but the match was still on Federer's raquet in Miami. Federer just raised his game, but in Rome, Federer should have won it and made some errors and his game dropped! The Rome match was on Federer's racquet as well!
     
  17. VamosRafa

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    I've watched both matches a few more times than you have, perhaps.

    Rafa should have won the one in Miami, and Roger should have won the one in Rome. So what. They didn't. And the record is still 5-1 for Rafa.

    The key is that they both have showed they are champions. Roger has done it over the past several years, and Rafa has done it over the past year and a half.
     
  18. Tennis_Goodness

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    I've watch both of the matches and seen the Miami one quite a few times and Federer should have won that match and he did, and he should have won the Rome match and he didn't.

    Yes they are both great champions but in those two matches, the match was on Federer's raquet!

    They are not parrell matches and they are also not parrell players. People seem to be afraid to say someone is better then the other, but one is better then other, it's Federer. Just because Nadal won a close match and Federer lost a close match dosen't mean the matches were the same because in both instances, Federer was the one who was in control!
     
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    I'd hardly call a match that went five sets, and 3 tie-breakers, a match that Federer controlled....what an idiot
     
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    If Federer should have won in Rome, why shouldn't Nadal have won in Miami? Federer had 2 matchpoints in the 5th set tiebreaker in Rome - Nadal had 5-3 in the 3rd set tiebreaker in Miami, already up 2 sets to none - puhleeez
     
  21. Tennis_Goodness

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    Federer in both of the matches was in control for most of the match. In Miami he just was shanking shot after shot and Nadal was playing good but when Federer kicked it up a gear, Nadal could not handle it.

    In Rome Federer was playing good and Nadal could not do anything about it for the majority of the match. Federer blew some very important points and Nadal too advantage!

    The two matches were not alike!
     
  22. David L

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    Who cares anyway? It's all academic now.
     
  23. superman1

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    The problem is that Federer SHOULD win every match he plays. He has all the tools to do it. Even when he loses, Federer has moments of brilliance that make you wonder why he doesn't always play like that.

    But these guys are human, and they can't win everything.

    The difference with Miami is that Federer was playing absolutely awful. Nadal is always a constant, it's Federer who you can never be sure about. He was playing well in Rome so he should have won it, but he didn't, so end of story. I don't know why we're not allowed to say "Federer should have won" without someone else saying "but he didn't, it's 5-1, so boohoo." Yeah, we know he didn't...we saw the same damn match.
     
  24. VamosRafa

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    As Federer himself said,

    "I'm a very confident player now," the Swiss said. "I know my own game so well that Nadal can't break it down with a few victories against me. I definitely have the tools to dismantle any player."

    Man, it's amazing how he's let some teenage kid get the best of him. I'm sure it won't happen again.

    But that teenager is becoming a man himself, and who knows what will happen when he improves parts of his game.

    He may lose a match, but he isn't going to hand it it to TMF.
     
  25. Tennis_Goodness

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    EXACTLY, pretty much every match is up to Federer in a way. He's that good. He's not perfect but he's starting to figure Nadal out and even though Nadal is young, he's not a Federer. He's got one really good style of play and he's not going to become something that he is not!

    I don't think it's amazing that Nadal beat Federer. Nadal could become the greatest clay court player of all time and Federer is on the verge of beating him on CLAY. That's just crazy. Nadal is becoming a man, but he is not going to become leaps and bounds better. He does not have an all court game, that's just not the way he was brought up playing!

    I really don't think Nadal is the player that is going to knock Federer off of number and take control of tennis. I actually think it will be somebody that will come out of the blue. Somebody with an all court game because if you can't play on every surface and win the big matches, then you will never be able to catch up with Federer.
     
  26. travlerajm

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    I saw the Miami match. It was a case of Federer being in better shape than Nadal. But I think Nadal got himself in better shape after that match, and it's paying off this year. Fed and Nadal seem to be equals fitnesswise now.
     
  27. Tennis_Goodness

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    Nadal might be a little better fitness wise. It all comes down to there playing styles though and Federer uses much less energy and is a tactician on the court. Nadal is like Agassi or Hewitt in a way, tough, fast, and very phsycial.
     
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    More like a Hewitt. Agassi beats the stuffing out of the ball (but with perfect control) and makes the other guy run around. That's why he's had longevity - he is physically stronger than ever, so he can hit the ball harder and he doesn't have to run as much. If Nadal wants to last long in tennis, he'll have to change his style eventually to save his legs.
     
  29. antontd

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    VamosRafa, get a life. I don't know what pisses me off more - Nadal's tennis, Nadal's look, or your maniacal obsession with him.
     
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    Yeah but I don't think Nadal can or will change his style. That's why he is so good. He's quick, powerful, and strong. When you get older you lose alot of that. Agassi is the blacksheep, but even the young Agassi was not this physcial and strong and did this much grinding!

    Nadal is looking great right now but I see trouble down the road! More so then any top player right now. If he gets a step slower or loses a little pop, then alot of what makes him good will be gone!
     
  31. fastdunn

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    Federer could have answered some questions more politically
    like he answered about women's pay at Wimbledon.

    I think Federer is trying to be optimistic which does not hurt.

    Anyway, Federer seems to be much more vocal about the
    match-up between him and Nadal.

    The teenager Nadal is the one who is relatively quite and keep
    kinda low profile about the whole rivarly thing. Maybe he is
    intimidated by Federer ? Or more quiet confidence ?

    But it's generally smarter to keep it quiet or low profile
    about very anticipated match ups...
     
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    Take your pick -- makes no matter to me.

    Not that there are any Fed obsessed people around here, at all. No way, no how. Just me and my Nadal obsession. *rofl*

    In response to fastdunn, Nadal is already in Fed's head, and now Fed is trying to get into Rafa's head.

    It's a good ploy on his part, will be interesting to see if it works, or if it backfires. Because Rafa's game may be one-dimensional, but his head isn't. ;-)

    Will be interesting to see if Fed's latest comments get Rafa even more fired up. I doubt they will be sending SMS messages to each other any time soon.
     
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    Obviously there are some people obsessed with Federer, but you... you... I think you need to be hospitalized. ;)
     
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    I think many Fed fans are missing the whole point.

    The POINT is that if Rafa -and 90% of players on tour- was in the position of Federer, having had 2 match points and not converting them, he would say at the end: "Federer was the better player on the day". This is, as Fed surely knows judging his answer to the question about pay for women at Wimbledon, a POLITICAL answer.

    Fed didn´t say that Nadal was the better player on the day, he freakin said: "I should have won the match".
    Now, I am not sure here whether half of you are blind or just biased as hell, but I can´t remember such arrogant comments in the world of sports. Not even ONE compliment for Nadal or Nadal´s play since the Rome final, how long is that? like 10 days... :(

    Dunno what type of mind game Fed is playing, but surely he is losing respect all around.
     
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    I don't think it was necessary for him to say that Nadal was better on that day. Federer actually paid him a bigger compliment by having that "I've gotten one step closer" attitude. For him, it goes without saying that Nadal is the best claycourter in the world, but he's getting closer and closer.

    Q. Can you talk about your emotions after that match and the experience.

    ROGER FEDERER: Well, I mean, it was very close, no, I mean, from start til the finish. The result obviously reflects that, too.

    Well, I guess it's a big pity for me because I came back well and in the end I should have won. He caught me right on the finish line, so that was a pity in a way.

    But, you know, that's all I could do, fight hard and try and play as well as I could. It was a pity in the end.

    Q. Did your performance today, Roger, make you think that he's more beatable than you originally thought?

    ROGER FEDERER: Well, I mean, obviously, I would have liked to win, but I already knew after Monaco I was extremely close. I think this is another step closer because I got even closer to the win today than back then.

    So, no, I'm on the right track. I think, again, you know, I improved a few things again for this match. So, yeah, it was good to play him already three times this year. Definitely helps me.
     
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    And you Antontd, need to get a life or better, learn to write good posts. You haven't made one informative post in this thread but seem content to simply dismiss someone else's views as being obsessive.

    The more I read Fed's remarks about Nadal, the more it seems that Nadal has gotten under his skin. All I'm hearing Fed talk about is how he has figured Nadal out and how he can't be broken down. We've heard it and understood it. Move on! All said, it's perhaps the journalists that just keep asking the same questions about Nadal!

     
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    Hey 23 posts, what's up? Just poppin' in here to tell you that you haven't the faintest idea of what you are talking about and what Antond is referencing.
     
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    Brett, dear Brett, you do know that this forum allows 'guests' to read without signing up? In other words, someone could be visiting the forum for years without having to sign up.

    Maybe now that I've signed up, I should spend the next few weeks propping up my post count, so people like Brett can stop telling me I haven't the faintest idea of what I'm talking about? That's 24 now, by the way! :)

     
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    Well then I think that reflects worse on you now, doesn't it? If you've been here long (years?) then you should know better and not make asinine comments.
     
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    This is getting too personal for my taste. Antontd could make the same comment about my last few posts (useless non-tennis related banter) as I made about his . So I'll stop here.

     
  41. HollerOne5

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    That is insulting to Nadal's fitness and body. Its clearly obvious who is in supreme physical condition, as everyone talks about Nadal's physique and fitness. I mean, half the people on the boards think the kid is on steroids, which is obviously not true. On the other hand, Federer seems as if he does nothing other than play and practice tennis to get in shape. For one, his body is nasty and is developing a small gut, obviously it doesn't affect his play though.
     
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    Federer is in great shape. He is lean and strong and probablly one of the most if not the most well conditoned athlete on tour. Looks are decieving. Nadal I think has a little better fitness but just a little! You got to remember Federer is one of the fastest as well!
     
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    Federer used to praise a lot about Nadal's game.
    He often commented some aspects of Nadal's game people
    did not notice. It was when he had only 1 odd loss to Nadal.
    Now it's somewhat different. He is kinda on a challenger's side.

    Sampras, for example(sorry had to bring up his name yet again),
    was very cool(and political) about his opponents who challenged
    him. Typical comments were "It came down to just a handful
    of points. It could have gone either way. I'm happy to have
    come out as winner... He will win this title someday"...

    However, he did blunder one time against Rafter. In one season,
    Rafter was challenging him pretty closely and beat him once.
    Plus Rafter won US Open when Sampras got knocked out of
    semi-final. Rafter was a marked man. Sampras played very
    violent game against Rafter in davis cup. He often flexed
    lots of fire power against Rafter and one time punchered
    a hole in Rafter's racquet with his serve (went thru the string bed!).

    At one time, Sampras was so furious about the umpire's
    over-ruling on a line-call in a tie-breakerof a match with rafter.

    Mostly Sampras commented violently about the match and the
    over-ruling. But one time in the heat of the moment, Sampras
    did rate Rafter's game as 1 tenth of his game. Rafter totally
    dis-respect Sampras after that incident.

    One firey blip in Sampras' coolness. Other than that Sampras
    never lost his coolness simply because he never was really
    challenged for about a decade....
     
  44. David L

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    I think Federer was fitter in that Miami match, unless Nadal was suffering from heatstroke, like Federer in the previous years encounter, or had not consumed enough water. In any case, Nadal is a lot fitter than he was. It's not an insult to state fact. They are both now in very good shape.

    I would hardly call Federer's body nasty, but each to their own. He simply has a leaner frame than Nadal.
     
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    I actually saw him lose his cool a number of times, and quite a bit of gloating too.
     
  46. fastdunn

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    Maybe in small scale. But I don't think I ever witnessed him showing
    any frustration due to major challenge to him for extended period
    of time. I think everyone agrees Sampras has this image of
    cold as ice thing...
     
  47. inyourface

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    ok

    ok Fed, Rafa give you the half of the match, today 4.5-1.5 in head to head.:)
     
  48. Tennis_Goodness

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    Nadal knows how great of a guy Federer is too, before Nadal made his breakthrough Federer actually invited him to practice with him!
     
  49. inyourface

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    can I invit to you to practice?
     
  50. inyourface

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    Fed invit to Nadal to figure how can to beat Nadal,that is the only reason.:)
     

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