***new Forehand Video*** 3/6/08

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  1. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    This is what I thought at first, but a long time ago I thought I heard someone say Bungalo Bill was like in his 50's 60's or a senior player so I thought he would be mature then this, but I guess not right? :-?
     
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  2. Bungalo Bill

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    Okay, fair enough.

    For starters, to learn the forehand and have it be as smooth as you have it takes more then a year. Some of the elements in your forehand not only require education but a lot of practice. I am not saying your forehand is perfect (as it certainly isn't), however, to learn the forehand that well in the short time you have indicated makes it false.

    In other words, the elements involved that you are demonstrating based on the timeframe and amount of time committed (or can commit) leads me to beleive (based on my experience) that you are not telling the truth.

    So, do us a favor, I would like to see your serve, volley's, backhand, dropshots, overheads, and half-volleys as well. And please dont try and "fool" me by "dumbing down" your strokes because I will see right through it and I wont tell you how I will see through it.
     
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  3. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    So your logic is..

    just because my forehand is fundamently correct, you think i'm a liar? Lol..

    GG Bill.
     
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  4. Bungalo Bill

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    Sounds like someone is still a little hurt.
     
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  5. Bungalo Bill

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    Exactly. You do not have enough time to learn the forehand like that, your serve, your backhand, your volleys and all other parts of the game - including footwork.

    YOU ARE A LIAR - PERIOD (plus I would not say your forehand is fundamentally correct - that is saved for analysis).
     
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  6. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    Oh, so you got into an argument with somebody else on this board? Doesn't surprise me at all. And I HAVE HAD education from an outside source. It's called the INTERNET.

    The video that I TRIED To base my forehand on, but tweaked it to my own understanding is this video right here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoZj-lfwWPY

    YOU CAN SEE HOW OUR INITIAL SET-UP IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT THE WAY WE HIT THE BALL AT CONTACT IS A BIT DIFFERENT, DUE TO SWING PATH AND DIFFERENTIAL IN GRIPS
     
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  7. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    Okay then Bill, just because your forehand did not look like mine or was as effective as mine after your one year anniversary, doesn't mean you can try and criticize me and call me a "liar". Like you "know for a fact" thats its true.
     
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    Ok ok ok guys, I think you two got off on the wrong foot, bc I know Bungalo Bill's been nice enough to be a great help on critiquing my shots, and Batman you seem like a nice young enthusiastic kid. This forum is for us helping each other, so if you don't have something nice to say that isn't about someone's groundstrokes... yeah

    Anyways Batman, those are some solid shots, whether or not you've been hitting for a year, seems like you have a great base to start/continue from.

    as far as lessons go... I'm sure there's another tennis coach in your area with more reasonable rates.

     
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    yep agree with the above ^^
    Ive seen bill's posts in other parts of the forum nd he has helped a lot of people here w/ strokes...please try to get along, internet debates basically dont work...
    back to the point of the thread, your forehand is really good for the 1 year (Im taking you at your word, no reason to think otherwise...) you have been playing, would have to see other facets of your game to tell your NTRP, saw the old clip of your strokes and you have definitely improved, so I say it is possible that you only have been playing for less than a year...IMHO
     
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  10. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    See, if you said it like this Bungalo Bill, this would have never happened. See, this guy DOESN'T CARE how long I have been playing, whether or not he believes me or not.

    P.S: How do you like those Kirschbaum (sp?) strings ? I saw those @ the racquet and health club and was wondering if it's worth the buy.
     
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  11. Bungalo Bill

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    Dude, where have you been? Can you see how many posts I have put up? I have been here for over five years and have seen your kind over and over again.

    You made a nice little run at this but I can tell you lost a bit of steam. I can sense it now.

    Why don't you come clean. Nobody will think any worse of you and I am sure a lot of us will actually learn something from this and laugh a little.

    Yeah, okay, if you come clean I will help you.
     
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  12. Bungalo Bill

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    I dont say things ever like that. You are a liar - period. That is how I say things around here.
     
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  13. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    How many times do I have to tell you?
    I am not lying. I CANNOT come clean, because I am ALREADY clean. I don't know how else to prove it to you. I don't care what people think of me on the INTERNET, I was trying to get help/critiques, but now it's getting a bit annoying because NOW your talking like you actually KNOW ME.
     
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  14. Bungalo Bill

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    Well then, here is my "LOGIC". If you have been working on your forehand for less then a year and you have got it to this level, then that means you have had no time to work on anything else.

    So, please show us the rest of your strokes and after I analyze them I will be more than happy to say that you are not lying. Fair enough?

    And on another note, I could care less what other posters think. If you just posted that you wanted a critique on your forehand without indicating your timeframe of learning it, I would have been more then glad to give you sound advice.

    Just come clean and it is over - we will move into actually doing something productive.
     
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  15. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    I just said, COMING CLEAN IS NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE I AM ALREADY CLEAN!

    You know what Bill, I think you just think I am lying because you have not seen an acceleration in a player so quickly like me. It's like last year when I was a freshman, I was 4"9. Guess how tall I am now? 5"3. 6 inches in one year. Nobody believed me, until I showed proof of pictures/ doctors files, etc. People wouldn't believe me if I said this on here, same thing with my tennis. Just because it seems high unlikely, doesn't make it so.

    Just for the record, I am in no way, shape or form mad at you. I just think your ignorant to the fact that SOME people can get good, alot faster then others.
     
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  16. hyogen

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    These AZN tennis wannabe kids are a dime a dozen. Looks like he's a big gaming freak too.

    "GG Bill" meaning "good game, Bill (sarcastically)"...I believe this originated the online multiplayer first person shooter game "Counter-strike".

    just feeding fire to the flame :D

    Gee Willikers Batman, you obviously DO CARE, and didn't just ignore the doubters like you said you would.
     
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  17. Bungalo Bill

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    Just for the record, I am not mad at you either. I am also not mad at anyone who posted their little "jabs". I know what I know and am very confident in what I know.

    However, I will hold my position that you are not telling the truth regarding the timeframe you learned the forehand in because you are not willing to show us your:

    1. Serve

    2. Volleys

    3. Backhand

    4. Drop shots

    5. Half-volleys

    Given the timeframe, and that you developed your forehand to this level, surely you would show these areas as grossly immature compared to your forehand. I just know you won't and I know you can't.

    Tennis not just about the forehand. :) You asked for my logic.
     
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  18. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    Actually, my friend Daniel recorded the 3 videos on his Cybershot Digital Camera, and is technologically stupid or his computer is being dumb, I don't know. He is sending me the other clips right now. Believe it or not, my forehand is my worst stroke. And Hyogen, I don't care about the OTHER Doubters because they said they don't believe me and left, Bill on the other hand kept saying I was a liar, over and over acting like he actually knows me.
     
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  19. Bungalo Bill

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    EXACTLY! He got attention by making a ridiculous claim and now I am feeding it. He is not telling the truth and I just want him to come clean or go home. I will be more then happy to help him but I dont like helping liars.
     
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  20. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    I am not ****ing lying. End of story. Stop acting like your all smart and all-knowing, cut the crap.
     
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    So you are saying that your forehand (being your worst stroke) is less developed then your backhand and other strokes in your tennis game. You also learned all of these strokes in less then a year with no lessons and a little more then a part-time effort (given your work and study committments)?

    Please comment.
     
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    LOLOLOL OH EM GEE
    ROFL COPTER!!!!
    j00 g0t r0x0r3d!!!!!!!!!!! PWN4G3!!!!!!!!! I R TEH H4X!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  23. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    Yeah. I'm going to have to say, my forehand is probably worst, next to my volleys... and dropshots. I don't have a dropshot in my skill book at all to be honest.

    1. Serves
    2. Backhand
    3. Forehand
    4. Volley
     
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  24. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    Wow, go demo some more rackets Hyogen and blame it on the rackets when you suck, then demo another one, and repeat the cycle.
     
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  25. Bungalo Bill

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    :) Very nice. So, you learned the serve, backhand, forehand, and volley in less then a year. Even though I think the drop shot would be icing on the cake and would at most take a few days to learn based on your skill and caliber, here is my question:

    1. If you learned all of these strokes in less then a year with your forehand being your worst stroke, why would you post your video to ask us?

    Here is why: If it took you less then a year, certainly one lesson from a pro would pay huge dividends in you improving your stroke vs. asking us. If you learned that much on your own in less then a year, you certainly should be teaching us!
     
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  26. hyogen

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    this is where he shows groundstrokes and serves after playing tennis for 3 months:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=155724


     
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  27. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    Isn't it obvious? My forehand is one of my worst strokes, which is why I posted a video on it so I could get HELP ON IT.

    I thought it was obvious. :)
     
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  28. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    HAH! I was trying to find that thread. That just proves EVERYTHING.

    Thank you Hyogen.
     
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    OK, little Azn tennis sensation man! You're a prodigy and should be teaching those who have played far longer than you have! :?
     
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  30. Bungalo Bill

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    LOL, very good! I love it.

    Here are the videos for all to see:

    There is no way in hell a player can develop like this without sound training and a lot more time then three months. I am very sorry, but this guy is a liar. PERIOD.

    If you look at his post and read his comments compared to this one there are inconsistencies.

    Were are my gullible posters now? LOL
     
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  31. Bungalo Bill

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    Actually I think your serve isn't that great either.
     
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  32. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    Oh really? I'd like you to point out some of these "inconsistencies" please.
     
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  33. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    My serve doesn't look like that anymore T_T That was 6 months ago.
     
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  34. Bungalo Bill

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    Not until you admit you did not learn all your strokes in three months. :)
     
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    Bill,

    I actually found Gee's tennis to be believable. Firstly, in the clip it looks as though he swings for fun and ralley in which the balls were mostly fed perfect. Secondly I find that with some discipline, a bit of work and an above average intelligence to understand any stroke's sequence, you can actually do as well.

    Frankly I have known tennis for years but only played at the level similar to where most people see ping pong,ie anyone can pick up a paddle and pong the ball over, but just as recently as the last Australian Open (god bless HDTV, Sharapove and Ivonavic ;)) did I begin to sortof self-study any stroke and apply it only on Saturday afternoon and in doubles (I can't persuade anyone to do singles). Well, after a few months I could easily rally 8 shots plus in a point with FH and BH. And I'm well aware of the difference between pushing the ball over and whipping it with some sort of spin and down the line. :)
     
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  36. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    OH I FOUND SOMETHING. A POST OF MY STORY FROM THAT THREAD 6 MONTHS AGO. THIS IS HARD PROOF!

     
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  37. hyogen

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    wow, you're right. I, unlike you, haven't had the privilege of receiving any formal training. I had to learn from my dad who learned by watching TV... so what if i demo lots of racquets to try to fit my game? Haven't you done the same yourself? For someone so young that can't afford anything you sure seem to have gotten several nice racquets.

    stop lying to yourself and people on this board.
     
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  38. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    Oh this is priceless. Yes, you SOO Called my bluff on this one Hyogen, yup your right! I have had formal training, I went to bolletieris (sp) since I was 1/2 a month year old! Yup.
     
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  39. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    I already posted proof. Thats all thats needed. Any doubters now obviously cannot read. My story from way back when matches the exact story I posted on the first few pages of THIS thread.

    Go ahead and call me a liar now :)
     
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    If you don't see your pants on fire, then don't bother, kiddo
     
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    Advantage federer
     
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  42. Mike Cottrill

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    How long did it take you to learn to pick up a tennis ball the way you do in that serve video?
     
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  43. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    Which video?
     
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    What are you seriously?

    No professional lessons, you just went out to play tennis? And three months later you get down the serve?

    It seems ridiculous.

    Do you have friends who you play with everysingle day for 3 ~ 5 hours? Otherwise, I don't see your type of play happening in 9 months.
     
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    It looks to me like a little racism is getting in here and a bit of hard-hardheadedness...If this guy wants criticism on his forehand, give that and only that to him. If he says he only played seriously for a year or so, there is no reason to tell him he is lying, when it is just about impossible for either one of you to prove it with hard, concrete evidence. Looking back on the thread he made earlier in september of last year, http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=155724,
    and on the video of his previous groundstrokes...It looks to me like it is possible that he has been playing SERIOUSLY for less than a year.

    from his previous thread...This kid (hes only 15 for god's sake, stop arguing about nonsensical and non-Tennis tips/Instruction things (which just happens to be the name of this forum...)) obviously just wants feedback.
    Looking at the comments on his videos, people know him in real life, and his story is in all probability true. Buffalo Bill, just please help him and stop insisting hes lying, IT DOESN'T MATTER!!
    Batman, don't be so defensive and ignore all the people who don't give you advice RELATED to your strokes. Your strokes look good, but wait for some expert players to give you concrete and solid advice. Just my thoughts after listening to most of you bash each other...
     
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  47. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    I don't know how that is relevant, but it took me awhile i'd have to say, first couple weeks I had trouble bouncing i tup to my hand, like i'd hit it too hard and it wouldn't even bounce or w/e. I would have to say 7-8 weeks. Not entirely sure.
     
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  48. Rafael_Nadal_6257

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    Looking at the video of your serve, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hCojZVM0F8s
    it does seem pretty incredible that you only have been playing tennis seriously for three months. Your serve is not extraordinary, but most people can not serve like that without at least six months of serious play and good instruction. The part where you catch the ball with your racket shows that you have been playing tennis for quite a while, albeit not seriously...any comments??

    EDIT: Just noticed how you pick up a tennis ball, that took me months to learn, :oops:, before I had always used my racket to move the ball next to my foot and flick it up...Shows that you either have a lot of natural talent OR that you have been playing for quite a while...
     
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  49. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    Let me start off by saying I am the biggest social reject after school there is. I am the kid on the street calling EVERYBODY that plays tennis to go out and hit for a couple of hours. I have 5 people I regularly hit with in my area.

    Leon (Cy-Fair High School)
    Alex (Cy-Fair High School)
    Anthony (Cy-Fair High School)
    Kenny (CY-FALLS High School)
    Daniel (Cy-Fair High Shcool)

    I hit with all of these people at least once a week for 2-4 hours at a time @ either West Road tennis courts or at Wortham tennis courts
     
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  50. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    Okay..what? Your saying because I can catch a ball (?) and pick up a tennis ball, I have been playing for a long time?

    I don't get people on this forum.
     

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