New Graphene Prestige Pro (2014)

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  1. Torres

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    All depends where the added weight is. Put it all at 12 and a hollow racquet is still going to feel hollow. I did that with my stripped down Juice Pros.

    From what I've seen, the actual specs of the Speeds are all over the place. Neither of the PPs that I've hit with feel underpowered nor have a SW below 329. What I like about it is how you can accelerate the racquet head pretty easily and then use the mass in the hoop to go through the ball, yet it doesn't feel HH. If that's modern weight distribution, I quite like it.
     
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  2. corners

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    Torres, I thought that you didn't care for polarized weight distribution. Not so? Tastes changing?

    The thing about polarized sticks is that they actually have lower effective swing weights at the wrist axis, which is kind of the real world, crux axis, in terms of limiting swing speed. A 340 gram, 33 cm, 330 SW racquet will have a higher effective swingweight at the wrist axis than will a 340 gram, 330 SW stick with a shorter balance of 32cm. The second stick will also be more stable by virtue of a greater recoil weight (due to the shorter balance). But the problem for me has always been that a stick like the second polarized one swings with an unpleasant lag. So even though it's physically easier to swing it feels late coming through contact.
     
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    That's interesting. I guess it depends on your hitting style. After discovering the Speed Pro, I found that I actually like polarized racquet set ups. It's easier for me to accelerate the racquet to catch up with balls that are hit with tons of spin plus the stability of it allows me to plow through the ball even if I am a tad late due to the mass in the hoop.

    Torres- Maybe I have been lucky with my Speed Pros as both purchased at different times and place feel about the same to me. The Prestige Pro is easier to swing through but if only it did not feel as hollow or pingy. I have it strung at 52lbs and 48lbs on the poly cross. Do you think lowering the tension to say 48lbs on the mains and 44 lbs on the cross will reduce some of this ping sound?
     
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  4. bruintennis

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    I was at my local tennis shop today since they just received their order of Graphene Prestige Pros. I weighed all eight (4 3/8 grips only) with all the retail packaging and they came in as:

    - 326 grams (1)
    - 328 grams (1)
    - 330 grams (2)
    - 332 grams (1)
    - 334 grams (2)
    - 336 grams (1)

    I haven't weighed other frames from other manufacturers, but is 10 grams difference between the lightest and heaviest, a huge difference?

    BTW, isn't the Speed Pro, an 18x20 string pattern? I would think a comparison between two 16 mains racquets would be a better comparison.
     
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  5. corners

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    It's a lot, but fairly typical of some racquets known for poor QC, such as Wilson's 6.1 line. It's definitely enough of a spread that a serious player needs to carefully pick two or three to have a chance at matching them near stock specs. The bigger problem, though, is that a 10 gram difference could represent a 10 unit or greater variation in swingweight. In that situation, matching sticks becomes a big headache. I mean, the 336 gram frame you measured is essentially a different model than its 326 gram cousin.
     
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    18x20 and 16x19 string pattern though different should not have much in the way of whether it feels pingy or hollow feeling. A racquet is either solid or not and has nothing to do with string pattern. I also took into consideration the tension when I strung this racquet up to adjust for the more open 16x19 string pattern.
     
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    Do some testing in exile and play hard!



     
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    This racquet marks the end of the era for the Prestiges. I have hit with the IG PP and Graph PP extensively over the last 2 weeks. This racquet and the Graph MP will end this racquet line. I could never hit a solid shot (or a shot that felt solid) with the Graph PP. Its flex feels like its actually bending. Very disappointed. I was actually planning to buy one of these. It looks like a quality stick, but feels like a Walmart or dollar store racquet. Again, Graphene will be Head's undoing. Say goodbye to the Prestiges. These racquets are subpar. Is Horrible too strong of a word?
     
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    I think Head just decided they need to move the Prestige to something more like the Babolat's line of racquets. In fact, I think the Graphene line was meant to change all their racquets to something more friendly for the average recreational 4.0 player.

    The older prestiges, you had to have good technique and probably be at least a 4.5 player to take advantage of the stick but there are more recreational players thus the market probably shifted. Head is definitely trying really hard to gain market share from Babolat.
     
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    "The older prestiges, you had to have good technique and probably be at least a 4.5 player to take advantage of the stick but there are more recreational players thus the market probably shifted."

    Fully disagree.
     
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    Been happy with the Youtek Prestige Pro for 7 years. I use a full natural gut set up. Been demoing the Graphene and generally like the crisper feel, but the demo is strung with syn gut. Anyone try the graphene with natural gut? Also, recommended tension is quite a bit lower than the Youtek. Anyone experiment with tensions?
     
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    I haven't tried a full gut setup and prefer the feel of hybrid gut mains and co-poly crosses. I got mine strung around 52lbs mains and 48lbs crosses.
     
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    My initial play test was singles, last night I played dubs. Still not sure. The crisper feel is a nice change from my Youtek PP. But as others have said, this is more of a "modern" frame, demanding a faster swing and not as forgiving when you try to "plow through" the ball to guide it over the net. I'm enjoying the maneuverability and I think I prefer the Graphene PP for volleying. It's easy to serve with, no problem varying spin and hitting my spots, although my ball seemed a bit easier to return. The demo is strung with NXT 16 so I'm hoping performance will be dramatically improved with a full gut set up.

    I'm leaning toward making the switch, counting on natural gut to give me more pop on the serve, etc. My only concern is that as a 55-year-old 4.0 level player, it may be too challenging for me to commit to a faster swing and rely less on "plowing through".
     
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    Yes, you are right about your assessment on string pattern not having an effect on whether a racquet feels pingy or hollow.

    With a dampner, I don't feel the pingy or hollowness that you describe. I got a chance to play doubles with a Graphene Prestige Pro last night and this morning and I am really enjoying the feel of the Graphene Prestige Pro as compared to the IG Prestige Pro. I changed out the stock leather with a Babolat leather grip and strung the racquet up with Yonex PTP 1.25 and Wilson Sensation 16 at 52/55lbs on a constant pull machine.

    The GPP is more forgiving to me, volleys better, quicker at the net for reflex volleys, helps my backhand with more power on the run. My serve seems slightly more accurate with more velocity. Overall, a good update for me.

    One racquet that did feel very hollow was the Graphene Radical MP. It felt like it was cracking every groundstroke.
     
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    Hey, I see you are using the Rdti-80. What things are you looking for in a replacement for that stick, and are you finding any of them in these Graphenes?
     
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    It's never to late to learn :). I ain't a spring chicken either and when I came back from a very long hiatus from tennnis, I had flat strokes with not much spin. Then over the course of four years, I have altered my forehand slowly. It does take time and it is possible. You just have to believe and focus on solid fundamentals.

    It definitely feels no where as hollow as the Graphene Radicals but there is a bit more hollow feel to it than say the Speed Pro version. I would say it's in between the Radical and the Speed Pro.

    It definitely is quicker at the net and swings pretty easy for such a high SW but there is a hollow and ping to it not found on the more solid Speed Pro.
     
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    I got a chance recently to hit with a GPP as a friend had it for a demo. Just off the bat, perhaps it's bad QC and it came it way above spec, but just the pickup weight felt heavier than I expected, and certainly felt beefier than the IG PP. All that said, I might be in the minority, but I didn't feel the stick felt all that tinny or hollow. It's certainly more crisp than the IG PP, and maybe it was the vibration dampener or the above-spec weight, but I didn't get too much pinginess from the stick. Certainly not anywhere close to the G Radical Pro which felt downright metallic on every hit. I was actually hitting fairly well with the stick, but I'd still chose the IG over this just for the more traditional plush feel, balance/weighting, and the old mold, which I'm not sure why Head decided to change.
     
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    I haven't updated my signature, but I switched to the IG Prestige Pro about a year and a half ago because it was lighter than my Ti-80 and a bit stiffer (more power). My Ti-80 was about 12.7oz (strung) and the IG Prestige Pro about 12.2oz (strung). I play mostly doubles and found that the 12.2oz racquet is a bit slower than what I would like, so I am switching to the Graphene Prestige Pro. It should be around 11.7 or 11.8oz (strung) and seems to have a little bit more power and more forgiving on backhands and volleys for me. By that I mean, some backhands that used to go in the net, now go over the net and volleys that were long, now stay in the court with the Graphene Prestige Pro.
     
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    I personally felt the new prestiges were terrible
     
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    Since the Graphene Prestige Pros have been out for a little while now, it seems like lots of mixed reviews. The purists who like the buttery feel of the previous prestige pros don't like the Graphene version. I wonder if the racquet is selling like Head expected.
     
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    Head abandon the purist when the new Graphene Prestige line came out. It plays no where near the previous Prestiges. The previous Prestiges were more solid and heavier whereas the new ones are more for the modern game but I feel are not as solid as the Speed line but much better than the Radical line.
     
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    They've basically inserted liquid metal into these frames, made the throat feel flimsy, slapped some paint on them and called it a modern racquet. They forgot they were making a quality tennis racquet. Does the term "modern game" or "modern racquet" mean a racquet that has the sweetsport the size of a golf ball, and feels like a 2X4 everywhere else? I guess. Its still tennis right?
     
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    I got a chance to measure my 4 3/8 Graphene Prestige Pro. It came out to 324 grams (I switched out the stock leather with a Babolat leather grip) and a "Peace" sign dampner. It's strung with Yonex PTP 1.25 on the mains and Wilson Sensation 16 on the crosses. The swingweight measured to be 327. Both measurements were done on a Prince RDC.
     
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    I will! I mean....I did! :mrgreen:

    And you know what? I think this is a good racquet. I like it a lot. I've tried about 4 of these sticks now and the one thing I will say is that the specs, particularly swing weights are all over the place.

    Played with a 320SW one running up to 332SW. The 320 felt too weedy and never could get it quite right trying to correct it with with lead. The 332SW offered a terrific amount of penetration through the court and the ability to get the ball past your opponent but it was more demanding to time. I preferred the 326/327SW ones - to me they felt as if they offered the best balance of characteristics - maneuverability, racquet speed, weight through the ball etc.

    Slightly unstable outside of the smallish sweet spot but in my view, this racquet is all about hitting cleanly, staying loose and swinging freely. Do that, and this racquet absolutely sings. Hits a lovely ball when you get it right.
     
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    Had a couple of hours hitting with an iPrestige Mid earlier this afternoon.

    Two different interpretations of how a tennis racquet should be, and each made me play a slightly different style of game. Loved how precise the Mid was in terms of targeting. It encourages a smoother style of play based on placement as it was slower through the swing and has more of its weight towards the lower hoop and throat. Plusher feeling too. The Graphene has a different sort of weighting to it, is much crisper and more modern feeling. Encourages more of an 'all action' style of play that begs you to go after the ball with alot of racquet speed (it is after all, lighter). I actually preferred the weighting and the way the Graphene swung as it encourages a more aggressive style of play. The sweet spot is surprisingly about the same size on both racquets. Although the hoop of the Mid is narrower, you can use most of the stringbed area whereas with the Graphene, the true sweetspot is only a small part of its stringbed area. You can hit outside of the Graphene's sweetspot but the power really dies.

    Both nice racquets and I could easily play with either of them. Which did I prefer overall? Blasphemy to some but I preferred the Graphene Prestige Pro....
     
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    Does the Graphene Prestige Pro have the same head shape as past models? The previous prestige's weren't a true 98" frame and was wondering if that's still true?
     
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    The new Graphene Prestige Pro (G. PP), after reading all of your reviews (and very much appreciate your sharing), looks a lot like my Dunlop Biomimetic 200 Lite (D 200L), and i can see that the D 200L plays better than the new G. PP in the stock form. For the D 200L, all i needed was adding the leather grip + an overgrip and that was it. The only thing that bothers me is the new G. PP's paint job. I think i am gonna hold on to my D 200L and wait to try the new Prince Tour Pro 98 and pass this G. PP. Thank you all for sharing your opinions.
     
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    The GPP is a true 98 now.
     
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    Going to string these up with the same string (Head Hawk 1.25) at the same tension, and then going to do a lengthy comparative playtest. Looking forward to this...old v new.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Grapene Prestige Pro v IG Prestige Pro comparison

    The Graphene Prestige Pro plays really well. The IG Prestige Pro plays well too.

    The most significant and noticeable difference is the distribution of weight between the two racquets.

    The IG is slightly heavier and has more of its mass is distributed towards the middle of the racquet around the lower hoop and throat. Accordingly, it feels more 'solid' and stable when hitting the ball. Power is lower than the Graphene.

    The Graphene is pretty much the same racquet but has more of its mass pushed towards either ends of the racquet. As a result the lower half of the hoop and the throat feels much lighter and less substantial when hitting the ball. However, there's more power with the Graphene and easier finishing power than the IG. It doesn't feel as nice as the IG but it hits a beautiful ball. More balls were coming back from my opponent when I was hitting with the IG compared to when I was hitting the Graphene where I was more dominant in rallies and finishing points more easily.

    I don't think one racquet is necessarily better than the other. It's really a matter of personal preference whether the particular specs/characteristics suit your game. If anything, I'd say the Graphene version produces a heavier, more pentrating ball off the strings provided you stay loose, and hit cleanly with loose strokes and higher racquet speed. I have to say that I love some of the shots I can produce with that racquet. Get a good string (Hawk 1.25 works beautifully in this stick), string medium/high and you have power with control. That racquet/string combination allows for some very precise targeting and clean hitting. Offers a nice balance of power and control. The IG is more forgiving of cack handedness, for example when you're jammed, but I don't think it hits a better ball that the Graphene version. To me, it feels like the IG needs a small amount of lead in the upper hoop.

    Of the two racquets in the stock form, I'd take the Graphene version. I'd also be happy to play with the IG version as well, though for me, it would need a small amount of lead somewhere between 10-2 to add a bit more finishing power as the SW feels too low in stock form. The Graphene version is perfectly playable with finished weight in the 330-335g range. The finished weight of the IG version really needs to be in the 345-350g in my view. With the Graphene version, it asks you to produce higher racquet speed. With the IG, you're relying on old school mass. The IG is a smooth, lazy, Sunday afternoon. The Graphene is an all action Saturday night. Different personalities these racquets.

    The only thing to bear in mind when considering the Graphene version is that specs seem to be all over the place. I've seen 320SW versions up to 332SW, up to 8g differences between racquets, up to 7mm balance differences etc, and inevitably they're going to play quite differently. The 320SW version I tried, felt pretty feeble. If that had been the first one I tried, I would have returned it the shop and would never have posted about this racquet again. The finishing power of the 332SW version was incredibly addictive but it swung heavy. The version I have is 326g/326mm/326SW in stock retail form with the retail string (no OG or damp).
     
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    I have been hitting the Volkl C10 Pro and have to say as an old Prestige user that this actually makes me want to demo one of the New Graphene Prestige's. The C10 Pro 2012 Version is a really sweet stick though and a very easy ride.
     
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    Ah, so that's where 326x3 came from. Are you matching other sticks to this for comparison or just matching more GPPs?
     
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    GPPs only. Testing, matching, and seeing how tweaks feel.

    Not sure whether it's because these racquets are more polarized but small weight changes seem to have quite a noticeable effect on how they feel. Bringing up the 325 one to 326 as per TWU, they still don't feel quite the same....
     
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    Hey torres, thanks for the comparisons between the Graphene and IG. I hit with the Youtek Prestige MP right now (not the Pro, though I did hit with the Microgel Pro), and was wondering if it was worth ugprading. I will demo when I can, but the issue is that I normally prefer my sticks to be heftier (SW 340ish, 12.3oz etc.), so its not going to be the most accurate demo.

    I know this thread is for the pro, and considering that there is no MP thread I figured I'd ask here; do you think given the way I like to customize my stick, is it even worht considering the Graphene's already "polarized" setup or should I go for the IG Prestige MP as new/backup sticks and customize? Its almost impossible to find the Youtek these days and I don't really like second hand.
     
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    In a word - no. If you like heftier sticks and prefer relying on the racquets mass, stick with what you've got. I used to own a couple of YT PMPs. Great sticks when leaded up at 3/9/12 but then you're talking about a 350g+ stick. The Graphene is in a different weight class. I would start with a heavier base platform.
     
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    Thanks Torres.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the YT PMPs similar to the Graphene stock weight?

    If that was the case would the Graphene not be a similar "weight class"? Or is the weight distrubiton on it vastly different so the weight listing isn't a true reflection?

    Mine have leather grip, lead @ 10/2, lead @ 3/9 and some in the handle. Its perfect and I'm not looking for a change really it was more of what route I go in case I can't find new sticks of mine since I never knew I'd like them this much. I was heavily considering the IG PMP as a suitable replacements for these since it seems they're the last of the "prestige feel" the way I prefer it.
     
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    Man, I have never felt a Prestige better than the I.Prestige MP. You might save yourself the trouble with all the new Prestige stuff and find some old used ones of the I.Prestige. It has all the qualities you guys are looking for. Heft, Plow, comfort, and control. You don't have to customize it either.
     
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    If you have the RacquetTune app you can compare vibration frequencies (dynamic flex). That might be why they feel different despite now having the same weight distribution.
     
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    I don't think so. From what I can remember, the YT PMPs were about 337/8g strung, stock. The G-PPs I've seen are on average about 326/7g, strung, stock, with some variation either side depending on the particular stick. I haven't weighed (or played with) the G-PMPs but I doubt they would be noticeably heavier.

    TW's weight specs for both are the same for the G-PP and G-PMP, though their average specs seems to be heavier than the average specs that I've been seeing.

    Thanks for the suggestion, but I am Android powered. I don't think the distribution of weight across the hoop is identical. Very close, but not quite identical. The original 326 version feels slightly less polarized, but with the newly weighted 326 version it feels as if there's slightly more mass in the upper hoop and slightly less solidity around the 3/9 area if you know what I mean. Moving the added weight slightly lower make it feel slightly more solid on contact with the ball, but then it doesn't feel like it swings quite the same. I will have a fiddle with the weight that I've added, but I think it may just need the added weight splitting between the TWU suggested placement and the 3/9 area. I'm sure it just needs some minor fiddling as it's pretty close.
     
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    Had another couple of hours of solid hitting with the IG Prestige Pro this afternoon.

    The main between the IG and the Graphene is the weight distribution. With the IG it's centered around the middle of the frame. Good for volleys as it makes the racquet more stable, but it does feel more sluggish on ground strokes and in stock form at least, it doesn't have the ability to finish points off the ground or hit through the court in the way that the Graphene does. I still think the IG would benefit from a small amount of additional weight in the upper hoop to bring up the SW, and possibly some in the handle. The tip of the racquet doesn't feel as if it leads enough through the swing. Those who play a lot of dubs or a S&V based game, may prefer the IG as its more stable and solid on volleys, but for everything else, I prefer the Graphene. The IG feels like it needs more weight to give it more of a 6.1 type of weighting. In stock form it feels like something of a half way house between a 6.1 and something lighter. It feels slightly compromised as a result as it neither allows for the racquet speed of something lighter nor the heft of a 6.1 class stick.

    The other difference is the feel. The IG is more muted with more of a dampened feel in terms of feedback. The Graphene is crisper and more modern feeling. Of the two racquets, in stock form at least, I prefer the Graphene version. Interestingly, adding a thicker gauge string (in this case Sonic Pro Edge 16) to the Graphene added another 2g of the weight to the hoop (as well as bringing up the swing weight) and the racquet felt slightly more solid and 'thicker' feeling as a result.

    IG Prestige Pro (stock leather/strung/OG/dampener)
    W: 341.7g
    B: 323mm
    SW: unknown

    Graphene Prestige Pro (stock leather/strung/OG/dampener)
    W: 334.5g
    B: 321mm
    SW: 327
     
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  41. Power Player

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    Agree but the weighting of the newer sticks suits the modern game better. Where HEAD went wrong was with the stiffness in the throat.


    What I am saying is you can still have modern weighted racquets and retain a classic feel, which usually has flex in the neck as a factor.

    If Head had ditched the grapehene marketing, made it feel like the iprestige and weighted it like they did now, and just said - "the classic feel in a modern frame" - I bet a lot more people would be buying these racquets. You don't need graphene or a stiff throat to rebalance and reweight a frame to more modern, specs, or the Blade and ai98 would not exist.
     
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    The Radical and Prestige line after adding the Graphene made both lines feel more hollow and tinny compare to the IG or Youtek versions. The only line that improved as the Graphene Speed especially what they did to the Speed Pro. A very solid racquet without the harshness or tinny feel.
     
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    I've actually made the switch from using the Prestige MPs (YT, IG for the last 4 yrs) to the Graphene Speed MP (with a soft string setup). Yeah, the Speed MP is lighter, but the Graphene Prestiges (and G Radicals) were simply not an option after hitting with them.
     
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  44. sadowsk2

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    How are folks thinking this prestige pro Graphene model fairs on the arm compared to:
    1.) other Head Graphene Players Racquets

    2.) Babolat Pure Storm Tour

    Currently using a Storm Tour and have had a history of elbow problems. I only use Nat gut now FWIW.
     
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  45. blackpearl2007

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    It may be me (high likelihood) but I feel like Head has been "experimenting" with this frame the last few editions. Personally, I loved the Microgel PP and the regular Prestige. Felt like the Youtek PP was stiff and it hurt my arm while the IG version was heavier and had more power (for me). Sort of wish they would go back to the Microgel. Haven't tried the new one yet but how is the control and is it hard on the arm?
     
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  46. chizzle

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    Anyone know if this version of the GPP has the "dynamic" string pattern ? I feel I get more control with this version compared to the IGPP.

    Definitely more stability and definitely maneuverability with this one in my experience so far.
     
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  47. Power Player

    Power Player G.O.A.T.

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    Yes. Dynamic string pattern is just a way for them to market 8 mains in the throat in a 16x19 pattern instead of 6.

    I actually really like that. It plays like a 16x20 pattern basically.
     
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  48. chizzle

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    Fantastic. Thanks. It seems more "marketed" with the GRP.

    It stands out for me as I'm using TB17 (1.20) and I've noticed the string life has lived longer than I expected (probably also due to lighter static weight along with the dyn string pattern).
     
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  49. Power Player

    Power Player G.O.A.T.

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    Yep, exactly. It is a perfect way to set up a 16x19 pattern IMO because your strings last longer and you get more precise control.

    The spin is still easily accessible. What changes is the trajectory is a bit lower than an open 16x19 pattern with 6 mains in the throat, and the strings don't last as long either in the 6 mains pattern either.
     
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  50. chizzle

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    Anyone running with this frame (GPP) full time now? If so, what string set up? I'm enjoying TB1.20 in this at the moment.

    Finding it fun on serve. Slices really well.

    Only drawback might be off center instability so far. Might get a third and add some weight at 3 & 9...
     

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