New Graphene Radicals/Prestiges for 2014

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  1. Torres

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    ^ I'm not convinced that that outright sq" is the key issue. Hoop shape of the YTPMP is rounder than the G-PP. Much of the YTPMP stringbed area is very usable, whereas with the G-PP you're looking at a smaller usable area (irrespective of whether the hoop is sightly bigger/smaller/more oval etc) and a smaller sweetspot with power dying or it feeling nowhere near as plush outside that mid to lower mid stringbed area. Personally, I don't find it a problem, but the usable stringbed areas are slightly different.
     
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  2. Power Player

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    Really interesting, and makes perfect sense. Did you try the S as well or just the Pro?
     
  3. Torres

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    Just the Pro. The S wouldn't be my type of racquet. Far too light and the wrong sort of balance for my liking.

    As for the Pro. Imagine your 315. Push the weight away from the centre towards the upper hoop and handle. Imagine it slightly hollower and tinnier feeling. Throw in a healthy dollop of swing weight and power potential and you probably have something resembling the Pro.

    One big caveat though and that is the specs/weights of the GPP seem to vary considerably. If had played with the 320SW one initially, I would have returned it to the shop and I would never have mentioned the Pro again. The 332SW/330g/330mm was a beast but tricky to manoeuvre quickly. The 326/326/326 version I ended up with, swings beautifully and hits a lovely ball provided you stay loose, and hit cleanly with long swings. Very nice balance of characteristics.
     
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  4. Power Player

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    That sounds awesome. I cant believe the specs are that far over the place. Have they become wilson? I know nothing will feel like the tec, but i would like that same solidity and magic on serve. The ai 98 is close.

    If i was to be really picky, i love how loud the tec is. Like a gunshot. I have no idea why. I hit the same and string my sticks all the same.

    The 332/330 one sounds perfect.
     
  5. mrc

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    All, I currently use the I.Prestige MP and have heard from some folks that these new ones feel like I.Prestige MP's. Is that True? Reason being, I have used the I.Prestige because it has a very "thick" feel which provides plow and control for me. Thoughts? Does the new MP feel like it?
     
  6. Torres

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    ^ I'm not sure who said that. I have a iPrestige Mid and the feel is nothing alike between the Graphenes and the "i"s.
     
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  7. vsbabolat

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    The i.Prestige Mid and MP feel different to me. He is talking the G Prestige MP compared to the i.Prestige MP.
     
  8. Torres

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    Yes, I'm aware. The construction and materials will be the same though between the "i" Prestiges, in the same way that the construction and materials will be same between the Graphene Prestiges.
     
  9. vsbabolat

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    But the MP, Rev Pro, and Pro all feel and play different because of different headsize, string pattern and beam width.......
     
  10. Torres

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    You've either missed the point, or you're deliberately scratching for an argument.

    The iPrestiges feel nothing like their Graphene equivalents.

    Anything else you'd like to argue about? Paint composition perhaps? Type of plastic used to make the grommets?
     
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  11. vsbabolat

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    Have you hit with the i.Prestige MP back to back to the Graphene Prestige MP? Because comparing the i.Prestige Mid to the Graphene Prestige MP is not a fair comparison.
     
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  12. bruintennis

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    Just curious how you guys like the way the black cap grommets look on the Graphene Prestige MP. I was watching Haas play Federer (BNP Paribas Open) just now and he's got the black cap grommets.
     
  13. sundaypunch

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    Haas doesn't play a Prestige, he has a pro stock painted to look like one. With the Graphene being a different mold, will the black cap grommets fit it?
     
  14. vsbabolat

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    Black grommet from the YT Prestige MP will fit the Graphene Prestige MP.
     
  15. Torres

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    The feel of the iPrestiges is nothing like the Graphene equivalents. It's as simple as that.
     
  16. vsbabolat

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    You did not answer my simple question. Have you hit with the i.Prestige MP and the Graphene Prestige MP?
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    I'm disinclined to even waste the keyboard energy it would take to answer your question because the outright answer is even simpler. The feel between the two - based on the different construction - is nothing alike.

    Nothing alike.

    Non comprende??

    Unless of course you consider two racquets made of graphite to be 'alike'...
     
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  18. Torres

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    Nothing alike in terms of feel.

    (I do thank you for the photos though)
     
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  19. vsbabolat

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    It was a simple yes or no question. Since you declined to answer such a simple question, I'll take that as a no you havent hit with both MP frames. Thanks for being forthright and upfront. But dont worry I will this weekend and give you my answer.
     
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    Take it however you want. They're still nothing alike in terms of feel.

    I didn't ask for it.

    Do feel free to post it on the interwebz though for anyone else who might chance upon it.
     
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  21. GlenK

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    I have played the Prestige line for years but my elbow does not like graphene. Have tried the speed pro and prestige MP and both bother my arm.
     
  22. Kal-El 34

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    i am starting to find it with the G Prestige MP. After customizing it, I feel it plays best in the low 50's with a stiffer poly (im playing with solinco silver rough currently)

    initially i was not crazy about the frame, but am liking it more and more each time i hit with it
     
  23. TennisCanada1

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    Is the graphene prestige pro in fact a 98 or a 95? I keep reading conflicting posts.
     
  24. thedunster

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    The Graphene Prestige Pro is 98 sq.

    I have mine strung with Babolat Xcel Natural 16g @53lbs.

    It's got sufficient power, good control, and is easy on the arm and shoulder.

    Previously, I was using Babolat RPM Blast Black 16g @ 57lbs.

    It was great for ripping the ball hard with spin but not something my 45 year old body could maintain for several hours on court - especially my shoulder and wrist.

    Of note: The Graphene Prestige Pro is not a so called Players Racquet and anyone buying one thinking it is will be greatly disappointed.

    It simply doesn't have the magic of my 2014 Wilson Pro Staff 90 or Single stripe Max 200g.
     
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  25. TennisCanada1

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    I felt the IG Prestige Pro had a tiny sweet spot and it felt like a 95. Does the graphene feel the same? I hit with it once in January, so I don't remember.
     
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    Also can anyone chime in and confirm it plays as a 98 and not a true 95? I think I read somewhere that spintowin said it's a 95 so I am very confused.
     
  27. SpinToWin

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    All Prestiges to date are true 95 square inch racquets, graphenes too.
     
  28. dnj30

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    Graphene is same size as previous prestiges. So if they are 95's, graphene is too.
     
  29. DustinW

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    Hit with the GRad MP for the first time last night and really enjoyed it. I was tempted to add weight to it before hitting it stock, but I'm glad I didn't. Normally I play with the Graphene Prestige Pro, so the Radical MP was a pretty big change in weight (almost 20 grams)... but I really had no issues and actually played really well.

    I suspect I may eventually add some weight but I am going to leave it stock for now. Strangely enough, I enjoyed the lack of plow because I could increase my swing speed without fear of balls flying deep. Volleys were the only time I wish there was more mass, but I was playing singles and really didn't hit that many. Serving was fantastic.

    The GRad MP is really solid feeling for its weight. I found it to be comfortable with full poly, and it had just a bit of flex to it... which was nice.
     
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    I added some weight to the Grad MP and strangely enough, I think I like it better without. I was switching back and forth between the weighted Grad MP and Graphene Prestige Pro and found myself liking the Radical better overall.

    Does anybody else like the Radical MP stock?

    If you add weight, do you prefer it at 3/9 or at 12? I put 8g at 3/9.
     
  31. DustinW

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    Not sure if anybody is listening so I will just keep talking to myself. :)

    I pulled the lead off and played a singles match last night. I definitely like the overall feel better without the lead. Without the lead, the only drawbacks are that volleys can feel a bit dead and it is harder to block defensive shots back deep... but hopefully I can make adjustments.

    The solid feel of the Graphene Radical MP reminds me of the 6.1 95s and the Pure Strikes.
     
  32. TimothyO

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    How is it strung?

    On volley and block-back I noticed the same thing with the Graphene Prestige S: dead feeling with the wrong set up.

    it really needs extra mass and a softer string bed for pop on those shots. I need to update my signature since I actually dropped reference tension a few pounds. IIRC it's now around 55/51 instead of 58/54 and we didn't pre-stretch the gut this time. Feels much nicer and still provides excellent control.

    A softer string bed might help but lead in the right location might help too. Just enough to provide stability on volley and block bakcs but not too much that the frame becomes sluggish. A sluggish frame can feel too powerful as RHS suffers and spin drops resulting in balls flying long.

    Remember that "swing" weight is functionally "volley" weight in that it measures how the frame reacts to impacts around an axis centered on a point 10cm from the butt. It has nothing to do with how heavy the frame feels while swung but it is an excellent measure of how the frame feels on impact when NOT being swung as on volleys and block backs.

    And since lead modifies the string bed trampoline effects small changes in its location can have significant effects can have noticeable effects on how the ball launches. Even shifting the lead just a grommit or two can change launch angle. It may need just a small amount of lead to improve stability and provide just a little more pop.
     
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  33. DustinW

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    Agree with everything you said. I might try a little weight again, but less of it this time. The weird thing is that I have played with 12 oz frames for years, but stock weight is at 11.3 oz strung with overgrip and it feels good.

    I have been doing full poly at 53. I did Max Power 17, and then Signum Pro Hextreme, and now I have Gamma Moto 17.
     
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    The next iteration of Prestige, Graphene XT will go back to black CAPs. Spoken to some people from Head in Austria and that's what I have been told
     
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    Any idea on release dates?
     
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    Been playing with different weight setups on the Graphene Radical MP, and finally found something I like.

    Stock strung with 1.25 poly: 314g, -4.5 balance

    Added 8g at 3/9, overgrip, dampener: 330g, -4
    This was a beast. I have played with 340g frames with -4 balance before, but this was different. It severely lacked maneuverability, and the power was out of control.

    Added leather grip, 4g at 12, overgrip, dampener: 333g, -7
    Easier to get around than the previous setup. This setup hit such a heavy ball, especially on serves. But there was still too much power which really dropped the control. I was serving bombs, but groundstrokes lacked control, and it wasn't very quick at the net.

    Leather, 5g at 3/9, overgrip, dampender: 334g, -7.5
    This seems to be the best setup so far. It solves the problems that I had with the stock setup, which were lack of depth on my backhand and wanting more punch at the net. I don't know what the swingweight is, but I am surprised I like this with such a headlight balance... I usually prefer something in the -4 to -5 range. The bump in weight gives it a more solid feel without becoming too powerful or losing control.
     
  37. ptr

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    It is possible to install CAP grommets like on the Prestige? I'm asking about new G Radicals. Now G Radicals are 98" not 95" like Prestige. Maybe from Prestige S ?
     
  38. SpinToWin

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    Prestige CAP grommets won't fit, however the CAP grommets for the G Radical Pro will fit. Beware though, they can make the racquets quite unwieldy.
     
  39. ptr

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    Fit only to PRO and not MP? Why?

    thanks ;)
     
  40. sixone90

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    It will fit the Pro, MP and Rev
     
  41. SpinToWin

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    They will fit all of them, but they're designed for the Pro AFAIK (for those who want to "imitate" the pros endorsing the racquet while also using CAP grommets).
     

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