New Luxilon String - Review Due November 1!

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  1. TW Staff

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    Attention Talk Tennis Members:

    We have finished seeding the new Luxilon string.

    For those of you who have received a set, please post your findings in this thread by Friday November 1.

    If you do not post a review, or if your review is clearly lacking effort, you will be excluded from future playtests.

    ** No Hybrids **

    Include the following in your review:

    Tension used for playtest
    Regular string set up
    Racquet brand and model used for test
    Power of test string
    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?)
    Comfort
    Spin potential
    Durability
    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time)
    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
    Compare to the string you use most often
    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    (Optional) List any additional thoughts

    Thanks,
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  2. rdis10093

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    I smell a new rough version of a string. there is talk about it in other threads. It has been a while since luxilon made a rough string. last one was adrenaline and that was a very good budget poly for me.

    My prediction is that it will be an update to 4g or new version of alu.
     
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  3. BLX_Andy

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    Who knows? They could have probably implemented new technology in this string. Nevertheless I'm excited for how this will turn out.
     
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  4. Nostradamus

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    Is this the New 4G rough, everyone is so anticipating with excitement ?
     
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  5. mlocke1322

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    I'm with rdis on this one being for 4G Rough most likely. Timing wise it fits with what was done when 4G came out. The play tests basically gave them marketing info for a string that was already on its way out to market. With 4G Rough slated for November, this makes sense.
     
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  6. TW Staff

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    Hello Playtesters,

    The strings will be shipping over the next few days so you should start to see them early next week.

    Have Fun,
    Jon
     
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  7. LanEvo

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    I dont know if I am at the liberty to say or not, but you are warm :wink:.
     
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  8. rdis10093

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    "We are shipping your Luxilon playtest strings over the next few days. This string is actually a rough (textured) version of one of their current strings. "

    I feel like this all but confirms it. I am so excited. Hope it plays well.
     
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  9. purple-n-gold

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    Luxilon 4G Rough

    Tension used for playtest: 48lb main/45lb cross, strung on my lockout machine.

    Regular string set up: Lately I've been using full Alu at 52-54lb main and 2lb lower on the cross. I usually string poly in the low-mid 50's, and find regular 4G to be lower powered than Alu, and actually play better on the 2nd and 3rd outing.

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Vcore 100s~12oz strung

    Power of test string: Low to medium, more power than regular 4G strung at this tension.

    Feel/Touch: Definitely has a "softer" feel than regular 4G, much like Alu Rough in comparison to Alu smooth. Nice feel, not at all harsh. The stringbed really grabbed the ball, nice pocketing with hard hit shots. Drop shots and OHBH slice were nasty.

    Comfort: One of the more comfortable feeling polys that I can remember; going lower than my usual tension probably factored in.

    Spin potential: Awesome! Dipping shots and banana balls galore. 4GR entices one to see how much work you can put on the ball:)

    Durability: Good. This set has around 6-7 hours on it. The mains are all notched and the crosses are easily displaced. Stringmeter reading tonight was 40 to 42lbs.

    Playability Duration: 4GR played pretty consistent throughout. I did notice a drop off the last 2 times out, some trampolining last night. Not as good as regular 4G in this department but quite satisfied to say the very least. 4GR definitely has more of the Luxilon "Wow factor" than its brother.

    Control: Excellent as to be expected from a Luxilon poly, no exception here 10/10.

    Compare to the string you use most often: Alu Power at 54lbs. Lately, I have been going back to Alu over 4G. Alu for me just plays better initially and is just so hard to beat, really the gold standard for me. To be fair to 4GR though, I should have strung it at my usual tension to give a comparison with Alu and soon will. I have a few sets of 4G regular left and will replenish with
    4GR when its out.

    Tension recommendations: Would have gone up a few, 51lb would have been perfect for me.
    My regular hitting buddy thought that the tension was perfect at 48lb, he strings a little lower than I and and was impressed with the new 4GR.

    Additional: 4.0 NTRP for years now, play 4 and 4.5 leagues, all around courter that enjoys trying to punish a tennis ball. I use full poly for the control it offers and usually cut strings out at the 6 hour mark.

    Thanks TW for allowing me to be a part of this playtest!
     
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  10. rdis10093

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  11. rdis10093

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    sorry for the bad pic, only camera I have is on my laptop. poor college student.

    no guess work though, first time I have ever done a playtest where there is no speculation. Guess this is not blind.
     
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  12. McLovin

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    Tension used for playtest:
    48lbs:

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    After 12 hours (not played yet):

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    After first hit:

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    Regular string set up:
    17g Natural Gut mains (54lbs), 1.23mm MSV Co. Focus crosses (52lbs).​

    Racquet brand and model used for test:
    Pacific X Force Pro:

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  13. McLovin

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    Review continued..

    Final Tension (1 week after stringing & 6 hours of play):

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    Power of test string:
    Initial hit: I found this string to be very low powered. I played outdoors, on clay, and had a hell of a time generating consistent pace on my shots. So much so that my arm/shoulder was fairly tired after just 1 set. Note that I say 'tired' and not 'in pain'. Every now & then I'd hit the sweet spot, but it was as if the sweet spot was reduced.

    Final Thoughts: As I said above, very low powered as a full bed. I like to swing through my shots, but this definitely is too demanding of a string for me to handle in a full bed.​
    Feel/Touch:
    Initial hit: Not much to be had. The best I can say is it feels like I'm hitting w/ a full bed of Kevlar. Since I was on clay, I didn't get to the net much. I play indoor doubles tonight, so I will have a better feel (no pun intended) for this category later.

    Final Thoughts: Feel/touch around the net was OK. Nothing spectacular, but then my volleys are more defensive than offensive. In a strange way, the low power actually helped as my blocked volleys landed short in the court. But I couldn't seem to knife & stick them when needed.​
    Comfort:
    Initial hit: While my arm/shoulder was worn out after 1 set, there was no 'pain' (at least no more than usual). I wouldn't say it was comfortable, but I also wouldn't say it wasn't. Just stiff.

    Final Thoughts: Again, after 1 set my shoulder was tired from swinging so hard. During my last singles match, I played w/ my normal setup the 1st set, then switched to the 4G Rough for the 2nd set. I lasted maybe 4 games before I had to put the frame down. Not painful, just exhausting.​
    Spin potential:
    Initial hit: Initially I thought this setup would be a spin monster, but I didn't feel like I got much at all. I think the issue is when used as a full bed, there is hardly any 'snap-back'. So I was hitting my normal forehand, expecting the trajectory to be higher over the net w/ tons of spin, and instead it was going into the net. I think its there, but you really need to get that racquet head moving fast.

    Final Thoughts: I noticed the trajectory off the ball is much lower than with "normal" polys. When I would get a short, low ball to attack, I had a hard time getting it up & down. The 'up' was really the problem as the ball would usually hit the net ~ 5-6 in below the tape. When I went back to my gut/poly setup, I was clearing the net by a good foot on those shots.​
    Durability:
    Initial hit: I'd put this string in the same category as Cockroaches, as in they will still be around after a Nuclear attack. Seriously, I don't see this stuff breaking anytime soon.

    Final Thoughts: After 4 matches, one on clay, the string looks good as new. No noticeable notching. I would say this is a string you go into thinking "I'll play X matches, then cut it out", because it isn't breaking anytime soon.​
    Playability Duration:
    Final Thoughts: Honestly I don't think it changed much from it's initial tension of 44-45 during the 1st hit to 42.4 during the last hit. Maybe slightly more power, but that really is subjective as my initial hit was on clay and final hit was indoors (it's been raining like crazy here in VA for 3 days now).​
    Control:
    Initial hit: Tons & tons of control. In fact, if I were a college coach with USTA rated 5.0+ players, I'd be putting this stuff in their frames right away.

    Final Thoughts: Again, if there was ever a string that should be named 'CONTROL' in large bolded font, this is it. The ball went where I wanted it to, I just had to swing for the fences to get it there.​
    Compare to the string you use most often:
    Initial hit: After playing 1 set I went back to my gut/poly combo and noticed two things: more power (there's a shocker), and a higher trajectory ball. It was odd, as for the first time I could actually feel the strings 'snapping back' after contact. Also, the 'Fischer feel' returned to my frame. I don't think I realized how much I've grown accustomed to that feel until now.

    Final Thoughts: Even indoors I had a hard time generating power. During my last hit, my opponent commented on how he could suddenly dictate some points as I wasn't getting the depth, pace & spin as I was with my gut/poly racquet (Note for the record that both frames were the X Force Pro).​
    Tension recommendations:
    Initial hit: Most definitely in the 40s. As you can see from my images above, 48lbs dropped almost 10% after 1 set 18 hours after stringing. That is actually not that bad considering most polys will drop 10% before you even hit once.

    Final Thoughts: If I had to do again, I'd probably start at 45, and maybe even go as low as 43 or 42. Who knows, I might start seeing the trajectory & power/dwell time increase.​
    Additional thoughts:
    As a full bed of poly, I think this is unusable by pretty much anyone under a USTA 5.0 rating. It is too low powered, and requires serious racquet head speed to generate spin. I think the potential for spin is there, but I'm just not good enough to generate the amount needed on a consistent long-term basis. I'd really like to try this in a hybrid setup, either with gut mains, or maybe even a smooth round poly. I did a gut/ALU Rough years ago and thought it played great for ~ 2-3 sets. Maybe this can last longer?​
     
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  14. djNEiGht

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    IMO posting pics of the strung racquet is good for the play test. RT Pic is a bonus
     
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  15. LanEvo

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    Got my string today, will string it up either later tonight or tomorrow and take it out for a hit.
     
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  16. Roger Wawrinka

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    Got mine as well. Hopefully I can string it and hit tomorrow!
     
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  17. Nostradamus

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    What gauge is that ?
     
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  18. Nostradamus

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    Lets hope it blows away RPM blast out of the water.
     
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  19. PBODY99

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    Inital 4 G Rough comments

    Tension used for playtest 40 lbs/41 lbs {2 piece}
    strung on electronic constant pull machine

    Regular string set up in a full poly Sonic Pro 1.25

    Spin potential.average

    Durability Little notching, I do not break polys

    Playability Duration......... Little change in response over the first 5 hours over 7days. after a total of 11 hours, snap back ended due to notching
    Control ..............vs SP 1.25 low powered
    Tension recommendations
    I have used 4G 1.25 mm and did not notice a need to change.
    Additional thoughts
    A stiff string with normal poly coil memory. Weaving was normal for a"dimpled" poly,no problems tying knots. I only use full poly when playing on slick hard courts or grass, so I keep 1 or two frames in my bag for those surfaces.
    After 4 more hours, a total of 15,I cut the string out
     
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  20. Nostradamus

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    are you talking about 4G or 4G rough, when you say you did need to change.
     
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  21. McLovin

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    Really? Your mean you cannot figure out the mirror image of '125'?
     
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  22. Andyroo10567

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    didn't receive mine yet..
    EDIT : Got it today, 16L ..
     
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  23. PBODY99

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    The test is for the Rough so are my comments.
     
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  24. Nostradamus

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    so you don't want to change ? Were you getting insane spin or power from this 4G rough string ?
     
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  25. jisop

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    4g rough

    Just got it in, strung at 50 mains 50 cross, wilson pink blade 98, usual set up gut mains, poly crosses, will post review after tonight. Strings are really soft out of package and no recoil, easy to string on bairdo. Thanks tennis warehouse.
     
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  26. jisop

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    Power- very low, dead, feels dull, 6 out of 10
    Feel touch- 6 out of 10
    comfort- 6 out of 10
    spin potential- 8 out of 10
    durability- 9 out of 10
    Playability duration- 9 out of 10
    control-10 out if 10
    compare- like 4 g, isospeed black fire
    Tension recommendation- 50 and below
    other thoughts, this string would be excellent with gut, or forten synthetic gut strung low tensions
     
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  27. danbrenner

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    When posting reviews about this string, please include a direct comparison to the non rough version. And include the gage and tension. Thanks.
     
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  28. Andyroo10567

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    Would be nice if you included explained why you gave those ratings. Hehehe
     
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  29. jisop

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    There was hardly any feel or touch sweet spot was smaller, and off centered shots was not as forgiving, Could not feel the racquet, drop shots were into net or pass service box.
    Comfort was very dull and stiff
    spin potential was exactly like alu power rough 17
    durability was great no notching after 4 hr session
    control was great all shots were landing in, but alot was landing short also.
    Exactly like 4 g 125
     
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  30. Laney Tennis

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    First impressions at 55lbs on pro staff tour 95, its firm and crisp, hits with good control, spin is good, not phenomenal but good, a bit stiff, hopefully it'll loosen up a bit and settle in. Out of the package it looks like Alu rough but in gold color, it feels like a medium to low powered control string, have to have racquet speed to play with this one. For those seeking a more comfortable ride, consider lowering it 2-3 lbs.
     
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  31. SteveI

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    I playtested the 4G non-rough and I now have a few hours on the rough. 55 in full bed is a bit high for this string. The string will loosen up a bit but do not expect a rocket launcher. It is very much a low to maybe medium powered poly. You can take great big rips with this string.. but be ready for the ball to come back.. again and again. Best results with this string is as cross with Natty Gut. Not sure I am seeing a great upgrade in spin with this rough version so far. My complete review will be posted later. BTW.. I strung mine at 48/46.. Enjoy Ladies and Gents... :)
     
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  32. BLX_Andy

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    4G is supposed to be like Alu Power/Alu Power Rough but with more focus on tension maintenance.
     
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  33. Nostradamus

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    but I am being told 4G has much much less power. is this true ?
     
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  34. SteveI

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    Yes... it pretty much does have less power
     
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  35. BLX_Andy

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    I don't know since I've never tried ALU Power/Power Rough. It's a low-powered string but it's still powerful in a sense that you're able to make large swings at the ball without having it fly on you. So it also has large amounts if control.
     
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  36. Roger Wawrinka

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    Haha yeah, I'm still a fan of RPM though:)
     
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  37. rdis10093

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    had a hit with it on wednesday, it is defiantly keen to the original 4g for better or worse. not so sure of my verdict yet for this string. full review is still in the works.
     
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  38. Bhagi Katbamna

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    String: 4g rough (Updated 10/26/2013)

    Tension used for playtest: 47mains and crosses

    Regular string set up: Kirschbaum ProLine II or hybrid of multi fil crosses and ProLine II mains

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Head Youtek Radical MP

    Power of test string: Low power. A little bit more than ProLine II though

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): Average for a crisp poly. Not bad but not like a hybrid or full multi.

    Comfort: Good, I have shoulder issues and this string didn't aggravate it at the tension used.

    Spin potential: Excellent. I haven't used regular 4g so I cannot compare the same string rough to smooth. But, it is a bit more than ProLine II. As discussions with a member later show, I didn't string this at the same tension as K. ProLine II.

    Durability: Haven't really hit long enough to test this out. Will update this as I hit more. Update: Have hit with it now for more than 6 hours. I haven't noticed loss of control yet.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): Will update as I go on. Update: Still good playability after 5-6 hours of use

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): Excellent. This is the whole point of poly strings and this one has good control.

    Compare to the string you use most often: I actually like this a bit better than Kirschbaum proLine II.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): 47lb was a good tension for a 95sq in racket with a dense pattern.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts Depending on the price, this could be something that I could use regularly. I'm not sure that I would use this as a hybrid as it might "saw" the other synth gut or multifilament used.

    Thanks to TW and Luxilon for allowing me to be part of the test.

    Update: Original review still is accurate. Again, depending on the price, I could use this string regularly.
     
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  39. NCAA2015

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    Tension used for playtest: 55 pounds

    Regular string set up: Solinco Tourbite 16G @ 55 pounds

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Babolat Pure Drive Standard

    Power of test string: Noticed about 25% less power than Tourbite, or 30% less power than Alu when freshly strung at 55 pounds. I have to swing much bigger and harder to get the ball deep to the baseline. After hitting about an hour, 4G Rough seemed to have gone through its break-in stage, and increased power level by 10 to 15%. So I now can resume to my normal strokes and still hit the ball at the same pace.

    Feel/Touch: Very precise on slices and volleys due to low power.

    Comfort: I actually feel comfortable with all kinds of poly strings. 4G Rough, despite its high stiffness rating, provides unusually high level of comfort with almost no vibration coming back into my arm and shoulder. I use a rubber band as vibration damper.

    Spin potential: 4G Rough 125 looks thicker than normal 125 polys like Alu, which is probably why it provides less spin than some 125 polys. I notice that my shots do not jump as high as I use Tourbite or Alu.

    Durability: This really depends on how hard and how much spin a player hits the ball with… Should be similar to stand 4G, Alu and BB Original. A little bit longer than Tourbite, because Tourbite crosses will deform and get thinner more quickly.

    Playability Duration: 4G Rough holds tension and playability slightly better than other polys.

    Control: Good control-oriented string due to low power. Ball will never sail if I play my normal strokes.

    Compare to the string you use most often: Tourbite pockets the ball better with more spin potential; Alu provides absolute no-nonsense power; 4G Rough is more well rounded in all departments with not a whole lot to be liked or disliked.

    Tension recommendations: 55 lbs for 100s, 53 lbs for 98s, 50 lbs for 95s
     
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  40. swfh

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    Strung it at 48 in my 300 tour. Feels nice bouncing it around. I dont know if its twisted or something else. It doesnt look that twisted like BHSR

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  41. Nostradamus

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    Wow, more power than Proline 2 ? that is very powerful. Proline 2 is pretty powerful poly. I have used them before.
     
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  42. coyote

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    Here is my review. I strung it on an electronic constant pull machine. When you look closely at it, it looks like Ashaway Crossfire (the kevlar and not the synthetic). It was wiry. You could bend it like wire. It was a little tough to pull the crosses due to the texture (ala rough).

    Tension used for playtest: I strung it at 57. That was a bit tight for this string.

    Regular string set up: I use Volkl V-Torque at 57 pounds

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Wilson Steam 105S

    Power of test string: Power was low. I had to swing with some authority on the serve. It was a bit more responsive on groundstrokes.

    Feel/Touch: I have played with polys that are worse in this department but it was not a great feel touch string. Soft shots were hard to control. It worked better when hitting a modern topspin stroke.

    Comfort: On groundtrokes it was comfortable. My elbow/arm did not hurt in the slightest. I practiced 2 baskets of serves and my shoulder was very fatigued. This may be able to remedied with a lower tension

    Spin potential: Spin was above average. I expected it to be on par with Tour Bite, Cyclone or V-Torque and it is not. In this respect, it reminded me a great deal like ALU Rough. I got adequate spin but my kick serve was not nearly as spinny.

    Durability: It lasted about 8 hours. This is well longer than my usual setups. I use the Steam 105S and three hours is the outside of my usual string life. This was much longer. It deadened after about 5 hours but it took a long time of pretty hard hitting to break. This is a definite plus for those of us popping strings in the spin effect racquets.

    Playability Duration: It stayed pretty playable for about 5 hours. It deadened about that time but it was not terrible. It was fairly playable for its entire life. This is one of its better attributes.

    Control: I thought control was one of its best features. The trajectory was predictable and I hit very few balls long for the first several hours of play. From a groundstroke perspective, it was outstanding. I never found as great a range on my volleys. If you are baseline banger, this has the control you are seeking.

    Compare to the string you use most often: I use Volkl V-Torque (16 Gauge). They are similar in that control is one of their best attributes. It has outstanding control just like V-Torque. Power is very low on both strings; V-Torque may have little more power but it is comparable. I like this attribute as it allows me to really take a swing at the ball. Spin is definitely better on the V-Torque. It is not that the 4G Rough is bad, but it is not a spin monster like some of the earlier listed strings. It has better durability than the V-Torque. I go through V-Torque in about 3 hours; this lasts longer. V-Torque has more comfort at the same tension. This may change if you lowered the tension a bit.

    Tension recommendations: I would lower the tension on this string. While the control was outstanding, the serve was exhausting if I wanted to get anything on it. Also, it would be a bit more comfortable at a reduced tension. It said to reduce tension by 10%; I thought I already did when I switched to poly strings. I think another 10% would have done better.

    Additional thoughts: It is a very good string. I would need to experiment more with different tensions. I played both singles and doubles and I definitely liked it better in singles than doubles. I could really take good cuts at the ball from the baseline and punish short balls from the ground but was not sold when I had to hit angle volleys; it felt like I was volleying with a ping pong paddle. Definitely worth using if you are a singles guy but doubles touch and feel are not its strength.

    I would recommend people giving it a try.
     
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  43. emilyhex

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    First of all, thank you TW for selecting me, this is my first string review!! (very exciting)

    The string itself looks pretty much identical to regular 4g and working with it is very similar. It is very wiry and prone to kinking when handling it, like the regular version of 4g.

    Tension used for set up - 52 lbs

    Regular string set up - Currently Cyclone 17/Multifeel 17 @55/57, it varies

    Racquet brand and model used for test - Wilson BLX Pro Open (2010 model)

    Power of test string - Low to medium. I had to work a little harder to generate power and had a hard time with putaway shots.

    Feel/Touch - It felt unstable to me, like I had to hit it just right to get the feel I normally look for, especially on hard hit volleys it felt stiff. But, it was kind of a mixed bag, because I felt like I was able to dig out some half volleys and hard to reach shots.

    Comfort - Groundstrokes felt very cushiony, yet firm, very 4g-ish. Felt like it stayed in the pocket a while longer.

    Spin potential - Very good; was having a lot of fun with my slice serve and backhand. Topspin was also good, but I felt like is grabbed the ball a little too much, not sure I had the consistent racquet head speed to take advantage of it. Was hitting a lot of balls long.

    Durability - It's rare I break a string, going to mark this as N/A until proven otherwise

    Playability Duration - It felt like there was a short break-in period. After 3 hits, it felt good still. To be continued...
    Control - It was really a mixed bag, as with the feel/touch and stability issues. But overall, I would say control is good and about what you would expect from a poly. I think the more racquet head speed you can get, the more these strings are going to perform for you.

    Compare to the string you use most often - I currently hybrid and like the extra power I get from the multi. But compared to Cyclone, I would say 4g pockets the ball more. It felt less crisp.

    Tension recommendations - I'd start at 52 lbs, but this is actually the lowest I've ever strung it before. I wouldn't go higher, due to lack of power.

    List any additional thoughts - To be honest, this is the first time I've ever played with a full bed of poly (on my own racquet). I'm not sure my game is well-suited for it, not sure I can generate enough power on my own to take advantage of it, even if I'm no slouch when it comes to power. I have played with 4g before in a hybrid, and I would say this version is very similar, if not identical . Spin and control are it's strong suits.

    As a full bed, I would not play a singles match against an aggressive player with this string. There is not enough power for me. I think if this was my regular string, I would get used to it's characteristics and adjust my game accordingly. But for now, it's not quite what I'm looking for.

    Conclusion: If you like 4g, you will most certainly like this. Above average spin and ball bite. I would be open to putting it in a hybrid, but would not use a full bed as it doesn't fit my game. And I think it might be a string where if I hit with it for a while, I would become more used to it's characteristics. It's not identical to any other poly I've tried. It has it's own uniqueness, and for that I applaud Luxilon.
     
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  44. swfh

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    Had my first hit with it today for 3 hours. It reminds me of the plain 4g, very controlled and not all that soft. i was able to do what i wanted with the ball, although volleys werent that great. I felt that i got more spin than my bhsr setup, at least on kick serves. I like the stiffness of the string a lot.

    Also, stringing it was a pain. It kinked and coiled a bunch.
     
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  45. rdis10093

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    awwww. I hit a freak overhead that was a total misshit, what do you want me to do tw? just post my review from here.
     
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  46. Getting_Closer

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    Yonex Poly Tour Rough...

    First of all, I would like to say thank you to TW for sending the free sample to me. It is really nice to have such an opportunity to try something new.

    As I opened the package, it does remind me of regular 4G. As I felt it in my hand, it is stiff and wiry. While installing, it actually stretched more than I expected.

    Regular string set up - pacific classic natural guts/scorpion at 52/48; For test, I strung it at 48/46

    Racquet brand and model used for test - Prince Ozone Tour 16*18, leaded up to 12.

    Power of test string - Low to medium. If you had played with Scorpion, the ball bounce back with speed, like sting, which is why I like the string a lot. This 4G rough is mute. It doesn't vibrate much, I was not very confident if I had hit the sweet spot, and I can't really say whether the sweet spot is big or small. It becomes quite a hard work to try to push my opponents around with this string.

    Feel/Touch - I will say my Scorpion is way better at net. It just seems to absorb all incoming energy, and if your wrist is not firm and push forward, the ball just went into the net. The slice is good though.

    Comfort - No pain was felt after 1 hr of single and 2 hrs of double.

    Spin potential - much better than 4G. I had a hard time generating spin with 4G, but not this one. You can see the direction changes with my slice serve. The ground strokes are decent. If my form is correct, you will see the ball spin nicely and land in 4 - 6 feet from the baseline. If I hit flat, I'm not as consistent as I wanted to be. Balls sometimes fly long.

    Durability - I would say it appears to be above average

    Control - It really absorbs the energy of incoming balls. In a way, yes, it have a very good control. Sometime, I just wish I would have hybrid it with guts so I can put balls away for good.

    Compare to the string you use most often - Now that I have played for good 3 hours, I get a sense what this string is like: it might be weird if I say it feels like the combination of Yonex Poly Tour, 4G and Alu Power rough: it stretches like Poly Tour, its mute feeling and not so great at net are all like Poly Tour, but its power is like 4G, and appears like Alu Power Rough with gold touch.

    Tension recommendations - I would definitely not recommend to go higher than 52, but I can't say you will get more power if you go lower than 48.

    List any additional thoughts - if you say it is Yonex Poly Tour Rough, I would agree with you. It surely increased the spin...

    Conclusion: I would not have it full bed and go out to play tournament or any serious match. It doesn't fit my playing style, but I would seriously consider to hybrid it with guts. Well, if the price of this string is around $17 a set, I may have to find alternatives.

    It was fun to play with it, and I wish I had hybrid it with guts or Multi to see if it controls better of the mighty power of guts.

    Once again, thank TW for this opportunity.
     
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  47. rdis10093

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    4g rough review

    Tension used for playtest- I went with my same tension as my regular setup at 53/51lbs.
    Regular string set up- I go with poly mains and syn crosses. I am Currently using volk poly and syn gut.
    Racquet brand and model used for test-yonex vcore 89
    Power of test string- Very low powered, but this was not a bad thing, as polys should have lower power so one can swing all out and have good control.
    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?) The string felt very stiff, almost as stiff as pro hurricane or revenge, but that is just the way I like my polys. Feel with the strings was mediocre. did not really feel connected to to the ball at certain times.
    Comfort- the string did not hurt my arm even in a full hybrid, plus I had a low tension. if one were to string at higher tensions, then they might feel some arm pains.
    Spin potential- spin was actually better than the regular 4g. I have used the regular 4g a couple of times and spin did not stand out in my mind, but I would defiantly say this string has more spin. I felt very safe when hitting topspin fh as with the extra spin I felt like I was getting good net clearance. the only problem though was the depth. I dont know why, but it felt just like the original 4g in the fact that I sometimes had trouble getting good depth in the court and was hitting my balls a little to short.
    Durability- I broke the string on a bad overhead. It was a complete misshit and broke one of the outer mains. I think i have only done this like twice in my life with poly. I break polys, but it takes me a while to break them even with syn crosses, I get about 30 hours out of my normal setups, but this string lasted me like seven hours. I dont think to much should be taken into account though, because like I said the break was nothing to be proud about. "wow look at me I can break poly in seven hours" It was just a freak overhead. I am sure the strings would regularly last me a lot longer.
    Playability Duration- It actually stayed pretty much the same from start until the end, tension dropped a bit, but the playability of the strings was the same. I never got that dead poly like feeling. that you get with most polys after a couple of hours.
    Control- very good. I felt like I could aim my shots very well with this string. it goes hand in hand with the power though, because if felt so low powered I felt like I really had to swing very hard to get good depth. other luxilon strings seem to have a bit more power than this one does.
    Compare to the string you use most often- recently I have been using cyclone for a pretty good amount of time, I think I am on my 4th set. 4g has better playability over time, but cyclone feels better. If one is on a budget though, 4g might be nice because it does not go dead poly feeling so fast.
    Tension recommendations- for me, I was pretty happy with my usual tension, but for others I would say dont string to high as it is low powered and fairly stiff.
    additional thoughts- overall I liked it more than 4g, but it just seems mediocre to me. I mean it is very cool that after 3 hitting session and match play that they playability stayed the same, but if the string does not feel so good from the beginning then it is like whats the point? I would like it more I think if it just had a bit more power. one of my favorite luxilon strings is alu power rough. I love that string. I would play with it for ever, the only problem for me is that it gets that dead poly feeling and then it is awful. this string has no dead poly feeling, but never really felt as awesome as alu power rough or 4g. both strings initially feel better. I was also kind of sad that the string broke. Like i sad though it was not the strings fault it was just a bad hit by me. In conclusion I would give it a 7.5/10 It is a nice string, but there are other strings that do other aspects better. If luxilon comes out with a thinner gauge that might be nice and help with the power level some, which I think would help with the depth issue for me.

    also thank you very much tw. you guys are the only online tennis shop that does playtest, and I think that is very cool and I love being a part of these.
     
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  48. jim e

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    Tension used for playtest- 47 lbs.

    Regular string set up - Wilson Nat. gut 16g. 64lbs.

    Racquet brand and model used for test - Head Radical OS

    Power of test string - Low Powered string Especially compared to my normal gut string. Seemed low powered even for a poly 2.5/5

    Feel/Touch - Nice feel for a poly especially with volleys.4/5

    Comfort - No pain felt. Very comfortable at 47 lbs.4/5

    Spin potential - Normally I am a typical old school flatball hitter, but with this string I was getting some very good spin, and from baseline I was able to swing taking big cuts at the ball, and they were dropping right in. this along with control is what Lux I bet was looking for with this string.4/5

    Durability - Broke at 10 hour time singles play.3/5

    Playability durability- Hit well for the 10 hours it lasted 4/5

    Control - Very good control from baseline taking good cuts at the ball, and balls dropping right in. Control, spin and playability durability are good assets of string4/5

    Compare to the string you use most often -Hard to compare a poly to nat. gut as it is hard to beat guts comfort power and feel,and playability durability, but... this string was very comfortable at 47lbs. and had very good control and spin.

    Tension recommendations -I think I hit it right at 47 lbs.

    List any additional thoughts - I was impressed with this string. Makes me want to order another set to try again, as I had very good control, spin and comfort, and it played well for the 10 hours it lasted.
     
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  49. rdis10093

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    also did you guys think that the original 4g played a lot softer?
     
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  50. ten11

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    Luxilon 4G rough review

    Tension used for playtest: 42 lbs lock out machine.

    Regular string set up: MSV CoFocus 17g full bed at 50 lbs.

    Racquet brand and model used for test: iprestige midplus xtralong.

    Power of test string:Perfect for me. Because I strung at 42 lbs. The string bed provides me very good power yet not too much of power. I am able to hit the ball deep with ease, but I also will not category it in high power string.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): Very good. The string is soft. I was surprised when I open the package and the string has no coil memory. I can hit touch shot in the net easily. Played a single game with it and hit about 8 drop shots and all winners except 2. great touch from the string.

    Comfort; Very comfortable. I feel the string is not stiff compare to other poly. also I strung it in low 40 lbs, which helps too. There is no problem at all hitting with this string. One thing need to point out, iprestige midplus is quite stiff and closed string pattern, so I strung low tension. it worked out very well for me.

    Spin potential: very good. I was disappointed in the beginning until I played a set of single with a friend. After the game I asked him about spin and he said the ball I hit with has very good spin. The first few hours I played 2 hours double and some wall hitting, which do not require too much spin.

    Durability: I normally do not break string. so there is no problem for me.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time):Regarding playability, I played 2 hours double, 1 hours of practising again the wall and 5 hours single. I will say it is still very playable after 8 hours of good hitting. I do not find the playability has been changed much yet. It is possible that I have strung in low 40 lbs.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): Just like the 4G, I liked the control of this string the best. Even though I strung in low 40, I have great control with this string. The ball went to the direction I want it go without much effort. I can put the ball over double opponent's head deep in back court easily. I also can place the lob very deep into the court. It is great string for double to move the opponent around the court.
    The only part I have not dialled in is my back hand slice. Somehow I cannot hit my slice shot as penetrating as I can with the other strings. I hope I can getting better with it in next hitting session.

    Compare to the string you use most often: Compare to MSV cofocus, both are very soft but 4G rough has more feel. better spin and great control. The more I hit with it, the more confident I got with the string. I will definitely rank it higher than MSV cofocus, which is my favourite string over a lot of others.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): If I get another set, I will still string up the same tension because I do not see reason why I need to change. If I get a reel, then I might try it at 45lbs to see if that will give a bit more on spin or control without sacrificing the comfort. I am already very happy with the tension I had on this particular racket, which is 42lbs.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts: This is definitely one of best string I have hit with. The control part definitely stand out. As my confidence grow with this string, I start to play more aggressive in return and ground stroke rally.

    Thanks for TW for the wonderful play testing opportunity.
     
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