New Luxilon String - Review Due November 1!

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  1. Andyroo10567

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    Tension used for playtest : 55lb

    Regular string set up : BHB7 50lb

    Racquet brand and model used for test : Head YT Prestige Pro

    Power of test string : There was more power on this than my BHB7. Still able to take full swings to forehands without worry of overhitting though. 4/5

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?) : Feels nice with slow strokes. With flatter shots, it feels stiff. This is one of the worst poly's i've played with. ( I usually use soft polys. ) I dont always use slow strokes so all the time it just feels stiff and dead. 3/5

    Comfort : Wrist pain developing. Not sure if caused from string or racquet. The string isn't comfortable at all even on centered shots. 2/5

    Spin potential : Spin potential was fine for a textured poly. Nothing special. 3/5

    Durability : Haven't broken yet. ( Strung it thursday ) Some notching but not too much. I don't break strings often anyway. 4/5

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time) : Playability was the same for the first two days. Later, the strings had nothing but deadness. 2/5

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?) : Control was pretty good. less than BHB7. Can't really argue that its not good with control. 4/5

    Compare to the string you use most often : BHB7 had comfort all around, even when dead. More spin came from BHB7 than the Lux 4g Rough. BHB7 was harder to string than the Lux.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) 48lb. String felt wayy to stiff at 55. At least soften up the stringbed with a lower tension. I would rather lose control than have a stiff stringbed.

    This string is a disappointment. Dont like it at all.
    Thanks anyway TW.
     
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  2. mattavery24

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    Tension used for playtest
    I strung my racquet up at 55 pounds on a crank machine

    Regular string set up
    I typically string up with RPM Blast 17 or Solinco Tour Bite 16L. I string both of those strings at 55 pounds as well. I was able to get very similar spin as compared to both strings above. Also I felt that the ball pocketing in the Luxilon 4G Rough to be better than both of them.

    Racquet brand and model used for test
    I used a 2013 Babolat Aeropro Drive customized to 12 ounces with the same headlight balance of the stock racquet.

    Power of test string – 4/10
    This was my favorite aspect of the string. I felt like I could really swing out and that the ball would stay in play. Both of my hitting partners noticed I was able to swing harder and the ball was staying in the court a little better than RPM Blast. They noticed some balls dropping in that would typically be just out.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?) 8/10
    I had no issues with any of my touch shots. I found slices to have great bite due to the low power of the string. I felt like I could really control my slices and placement. Also I was able to volley well with the strings because of the deadness. I could place them where I would like.

    Comfort - 8.5/10
    I found no issues with this string, however I know that it is considered a stiff polyester string. It is not as soft as Yonex PTP or Black widow, but by no means caused any arm problems for me. I loved this string and the feel of it.

    Spin potential - 8.5/10
    I found there to be ample amounts of access to spin but with freshly strung up RPM or Tour Bite there is slightly higher amounts of spin potential. I feel like Luxilon 4G Rough is a little more dead so I was able to swing faster which allowed for the ball to be more penetrating. This allowed for great control as well.

    Durability 10/10
    This set up lasted much longer than RPM Blast and Solinco Tour Bite for me which is a major positive. I usually snap RPM 17 around the 8-9 hour mark and Luxilon 4G Rough is still going strong after 12 hours. There is notching but the string hasn’t broken and it still plays very nice. It doesn’t get mushy and over powerful like RPM Blast does after it dies. For my needs this is a great string as far as how durable it is and how well it plays even late in the amount of usage the string has on it.

    Playability Duration
    I actually enjoyed this string after it “settled in” the more I used this string, the better I was able to like it. I found that I was able to still have control despite notching and that it doesn’t get mushy like my typical set ups. I also didn’t lose control throughout the duration. I have not popped them yet at 12 hours but I think it is coming soon.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing
    speeds?)10/10

    This goes hand and hand with power being low. I love that I could really swing out and control all my strokes. Especially my serve and forehand. I was able to place them where I wanted and found that shots stayed in due to the low power and spin. This is a great string for someone looking for a control oriented string.

    Compare to the string you use most often
    4G Rough was very comparable to RPM Blast and held tension much better than RPM. I feel like RPM may play better for the first 3 to 4 hours (not by a wide margin, but very slightly better), but after that there is no question that Luxilon 4G Rough plays much better for a longer period of time. 4G Rough offered a great amount of spin potential, great ball pocketing, and a very dead string bed. I will definitely be switching to this after I finish my reel of RPM.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    I would keep the same tension. I loved the ball pocketing and the amount of control the string offered. If someone is more sensitive to the stiffness they may want to lower tension a little bit.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts
    I cannot wait for this string to come out in a reel. It will be my new string of choice, it has a great blend of control and spin, my two biggest areas of concern when looking for a string.

    Thank you very much Tennis Warehouse for this opportunity.
     
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  3. swfh

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    i had another hit with it tonight. First set with my regular set up, second set with the 4g rough. I previously stated that i was getting more spin with the 4g, but that wasnt the case tonight. I saw more movement and spin with bhsr,and more power. That being said, i did get more control with the 4g rough. More to follow at the end of the week...
     
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  4. BLX_Andy

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    First impressions: feels softer than 4G regular. The divots in the string really help put spin on the ball. I felt I should have lowered the tension to around 53-54 because it felt way too low powered. I actually didn't have a great time with this string when I first hit with it today. But it's still a great string. Review coming up soon.

    NOTE: I haven't played for about 4 days so I'll see how I feel the next time I hit with it when I'm not rusty.
     
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  5. Ilove10nis

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    Tension used for playtest:
    i strung on my yonex vcore tour 330g at 48/47 on crank machine

    Regular string set up
    yonex poly 125 (Black color) at same tension 48/47 lbs

    Racquet brand and model used for test
    Yonex Vcore tour 97 330g with leather grip.

    Power of test string
    IMo, the 4g rough 125 has less power than the yonex poly 125. I think if i strung a couple pounds less might be almost the same.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?)
    4G rough is good for control on the baseline. at the net just ok. ( maybe I stung too tight). the feel/ touch of the string is not as good as my old setup. it might be because of the string texture, which i dont get used too ( i think, you just have to get used to it. Every strings are a little different.)

    Comfort
    i strung at 48/47 lbs, is too tight for me. i can feel my arm a little sore after played for an hour. if i low the tension just 1 or 2 pounds will be fine..

    Spin potential
    4G rough has a tons of spin. my ball land shorter than my old setup. i have to swing longer than my normal strokes

    Durability
    Cant tell yet but I think every poly strings are almost the same in durability. just might break a little bit faster because of the rough texture.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time)
    like a lot of people, the string play better after a couple days. I think, it loss tension a little bit and string settled in.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
    I have a fast and full long stroke. my ball consider flat to medium high spin, first time i hit, a lot of my ball land shorter than normal, some even hit the net when i'm try to flatten it. after 5-10 mins of adjusting it by open my racquet face just a little bit, plus swing a little more forward. the string performed well.

    Compare to the string you use most often
    I like the Yonex poly more the 4G rough, in touch, power ( perfect for me), control. 4G rough, has better spin but i can generates my own spin.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    If i want to use 4G rough later on. I will string 2 pounds lower than my normal setup. it is stiffer the a lot of poly on the market.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts
    4G rough is the string for people who love to play with heavy top spin and like to stay on the baseline. if anyone like Alu rough should give this string a try, just have to string a pound or 2 less.

    also, please forgive my Spelling...
    Thanks to tennis warehouse for me try this string..
     
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  6. sp1derman

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    Before I give some of the specifics used for the test let me just say this string is blah, it's good not great. With many strings there is one outstanding quality, like comfort, spin, or power, however, this string did everything equally underwhelmingly.

    Tension used for playtest52 lbs
    Regular string set up MSV Focus Hex soft (mains), Gosen Syn. Gut Crosses, all 17 gauge
    Racquet brand and model used for testWilson Prostaff 6.1.95 BLX
    Power of test string Lower than average power, more rally balls landing in service box than normal
    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?) I felt the touch on drop shots and volleys was one of the string's better qualities, I would still only give it a 6/10
    Comfort I don't usually have any issues with my arm or shoulder and this string didn't change that. Off-center hits weren't too bad, minor pinging frequency
    Spin potential
    This was one of the strings better qualities but still it wasn't anything like a tour bite, or Mosquito bite. I found it similar to BHSR 6.5/10
    DurabilityI don't have a tension gauge but after playing with it on 3 different occasions I must say the durability was good. It resisted knotching fairly well. 7/10
    Playability Duration
    I thought the string held tension and original boring playing characteristics well.
    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?) The string was consistent and allowed me to take advantage of shorter angles because I had difficulty getting the ball deep. The performance was consistently blah.
    Compare to the string you use most oftenCompared to my regular setup listed above, which is a hybrid, this full bed does not compare in any category. It might work well as a drurable, consistent, low powered, cross string if someone is running gut in their mains.
    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) After hitting this string with a relatively low powered racquet I would try a tension around the mid 40's to help with power and pocketing.
    (Optional) List any additional thoughts Not a bad string but nothing about it stands out enough to add it to the rotation of polys.

    Thanks TW for the experience.
     
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  7. BLX_Andy

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    How does the hybrid compare to this? I'm thinking of switching to a soft poly/multi or poly/syn gut hybrid when my 4G regular runs out.
     
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  8. Nostradamus

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  9. mokcl

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    Tension used for playtest: I strung it at 42 lbs. That’s’ my preferred tension for full poly but feel like that was a bit low for this string.

    Regular string set up: My prefer setup is full poly using Isospeed Baseline Control , Luxilon Big Banger at low 40 lbs.

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Dunlop Bio 300 Tour

    Power of test string: Low power. Basically, you will have to generate your own power with full swing. (6/10)

    Feel/Touch: Good. I tried a couple drop shots and it worked. (8/10)

    Comfort: It was comfortable. Not felling pain in the elbow or arm. (8/10)

    Spin potential: Spin was only so so. I was expecting heavier spin due the textured poly but that didn’t happen. No extra spin or kick. (7/10)

    Durability: I have played 2 double matches and 1 single match, total about 5 hours. I’m a hard hitter and the string is still holding up pretty well. (8/10)

    Playability Duration: It stayed pretty playable for about 5 hours. (8/10)

    Control: Outstanding. This is the best attribute that stand out. Great control from baseline and I was able to swing hard from both wings and balls stayed in. (9/10)

    Compare to the string you use most often: This string offer superior control that I always wanted. Good touch is a plus too but it is a little low power than my liking.

    Tension recommendations: If I get another set, I would string it at 45 lbs.

    Additional thoughts: First look, the string is soft, wiry and prone to kinking. It is a very good string. Control oriented and good for stronger player with full swing to generate their own power.


    Thanks TW for giving me this opportunity to playtest this string.
     
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  10. SteveI

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    Luxilon 4G Rough 16G Playtest - SteveI

    Tension used for playtest: 48 Mains / 46 Crosses

    Regular string set up: Soft Co-Poly (rough/spin) Hybrid 52/50 with Syn. Gut the Crosses

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Dunlop Bio 200 Plus (18 x 20 string pattern)

    Power of test string: The power of this string is pretty much right in line with the non-rough version of 4G which I have playtested for TW and Luxilon. Very much on the low side. I strung this test string a bit lower to try to match my regular setups power. I was happy that I did so because I did get decent power out of this string after about the 2 hour mark in hitting. Without my experience with the non-rough version I would have been wanting for more power output.

    Feel/Touch: While this string does not have outstanding feel, it was not poor either. The response was very consistent, making drop shots, touch volleys and lobs easy to execute since you what to expect from the string bed. No hot spots.. dead spots on string bed.

    Comfort: I would say this string plays quite firm but not harsh. Comfort was very average. I also strung this test string lower than my normal set-up and I have to add I have never been prone to arm, wrist or shoulder issues so my feedback might be less than useful.

    Spin potential: Very impressed with the spin potential of this offering. One of the comments made in my non-rough 4G playtest was that I would love to see this in a spin or rough version. Thanks for listening Luxilon. While this string is not a Tourna Big Hitter Black 7, I was very happy with the amount of spin I could generate off the ground. Slices cut through the court, topspin was tight and drove hard to the baseline. The spin potential on serves really helped keep serves in the placement was outstanding.

    Durability: Off the charts for of this offering. Luxilon designed this string with this in mind.. they nailed it. Did not break it and it still seems to be playing fine about 15 hours.

    Playability Duration: This string just lasts and lasts. The tension loss and playing aspects of this offering did not make me modify my strokes much at all during the playtest. If you are looking for price performance and this string matches your game.. you have a winner. :)

    Control: This string produced excellent predictable trajectory and again was great over all strokes. I always knew where and ball was going. Control, was outstanding as designed by Luxilon.. they nailed it.

    Compare to the string you use most often: My normal Soft Co-Poly (rough/spin) Hybrid suits my game much better and produces better feel and power/spin output. This offering is longer lasting but I am in need of the setup that helps me aging game and body.

    Tension recommendations: Since I had experience with the 4G non-rough version, I think I got pretty close to the right tension. This string is not super tension sensitive but you do need to string it on the lower side if you are looking for more power output.

    Thanks TW and Luxilon.
     
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  11. goeblack

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    Test results

    Tension used for play test: 48lbs
    Regular setup: Big hitter black rough at 48lbs
    Racket used for play test: Wilson Prostaff 6.1 95
    Power of test string: low (not too different from bhBlack)
    Feel-touch: I did not find this string inferior on touch shots
    Comfort: I have no elbow or wrist problems and this string presented no issues for me
    Spin potential: at least equal to big hitter black or maybe better
    Durability: I think the string hold their edges longer than big hitter black
    Playability duration:
    Since the edges seemed to hold better, I could continue to really swing out and have the ball fall in. With any string, when spin potential is reduced the swing must be adapted. I liked the way this string held up.
    Control: very good. Really allows for a full swing on both sides.
    Comparison to Big Hitter Black: I found the string similar. Big hitter black is a bit more powerful with less control. I liked the spin on the test string a little better.

    Tension recommendations: I would lower the tension of the test string by 10%. This is what they recommend. I did not follow that advice since I wanted an apple to apple test. I look back and think that may have helped make me love these strings.

    I notice that most of the test results do not mention lowering tension by 10% and this may be a hugh oversight by many.

    Thanks TWH for letting me be a part of the test.

    goeblack
     
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  12. sp1derman

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    I haven't had a chance to try the 4G Rough in a hybrid setup yet. I know that I prefer my soft copoly/synthetic gut hybrid than the full bed of poly for sure.
     
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  13. seekay

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    Tension used for playtest 48lb

    Regular string set up: Pacific Prime Gut 16/Genesis Black Magic 16

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Wilson BLX2 Six.One 95

    Power of test string: Mid-range for a poly. It provided plenty of pop without being hard to control.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): Very responsive, better than I expect from a full poly stringbed. Touch shots work just fine.

    Comfort: Just fine. It didn't hurt my elbow, which is about all I ask of a poly.

    Spin potential: Above average, but not extreme. I got better, more predictable spin than 4G original, but less than Big Hitter Black 7.

    Durability: I don't tend to break poly, so it's good enough.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): As advertised, it played consistently throughout the playtest.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): No problems here. The ball did what I asked it do, whether that was a loopy groundstroke bouncing up over my opponent's head, a hard flat ball, or a gentle volley.

    Compare to the string you use most often: Compared to my gut/poly hybrid, a full bed of 4G rough is substantially stiffer (of course) with

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): No regrets. 48lb felt great.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts: So I just gave 4G Rough a favorable review, but I don't really like it. The string has a relatively frictive surface, just like 4G original and it doesn't snap back like I want it to. It feels strange and wrong to straighten my strings in a full poly bed. I fully recognize that it performs well despite that (perceived) shortcoming, but I want it to be better.

    That aside, the main reason I won't end up buying 4G rough is because I find Ripspin is about as good (better in some areas) and substantially more attractively priced. If I'm going to buy a spinny poly from Wilson with good tension maintenance, I just don't see a reason to pay a 70% premium for Luxilon. Ripspin is too good to justify paying more.

    Thanks to Tennis Warehouse and Wilson for the playtest!
     
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  14. BLX_Andy

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    I meant your regular hybrid setup. Sorry for not being clear :)
     
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  15. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Now, I used less tension on the 4g than I did with the PII.
     
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  16. Nostradamus

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    What tensions did you use ? if you used different tension than you did in your proline2-- what tension?, then it is very tough to compare between test and your usual string in power department.

    Why did you use different tension ?
     
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  17. goeblack

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    Sorry to chim in since this question is not addressed to me. I was tempted to use less tension for my test because the directions on the strings package recommend it. If I had it to do over again I would follow those instructions.
     
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  18. Bhagi Katbamna

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    I used 52 on ProLine II but my shoulder is hurting now so I used 47 on 4g. It may be tough to compare at that different a tension. You are correct.
     
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  19. Nostradamus

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    you did the right thing. but 52 with proline 2, I have no idea how you can control that much power. proline 2 at 52 lbs would power like gut string for me. I string pl 2 at 60 lbs and I think it has pretty good power.

    I will try the 4G rough at 55 lbs when it is released and see how it goes.
     
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  20. t3nn1sg33k9l

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    Tension : 55 lbs
    Regular String set up : solinco tour bite
    Racquet brand and model : Babolat Aero Pro Drive 2014
    Power of test string : low powered to moderate
    Feel / touch : I felt dialed in with the ball when I hit the sweet spot.
    Comfort : comfort was great. It was nice having a poly that was stiff enough to add a lot of spin to the ball but soft enough where it didn’t hurt my arm.
    Spin potential : awesome! Balls that I normally would be hitting out were dropping in near the baseline. I could really rip the ball on my approach shots and expect the ball to go in.
    Durability : Above average. Using polys is already the safest form of durability. However, with all the spin generated string to string friction is also increased. I played with the strings for about 20 hours and felt the strings drop tension slightly.
    Playability duration : the playability of the string was phenomenal throughout the whole playtest. I didn’t need to adjust my game at all. The spin potential on the string kept the ball in even when it dropped tension.
    Control : the control from the strings was great. I was dialed in when I wanted to go for a drop shot of drive it down the line. The ball went where I wanted it to go.
    Compared to Solinco Tour Bite : Compared to my normal string of choice, Luxilon 4g rough is much more comfortable. Everything was pretty much the same as tour bite except for better comfort and tension maintenance.
    Tension recommendations : I would recommend stringing at the same tension as you normally would as long as you have a history with poly strings. If someone is coming from a syn gut or multifilament background, I would string it about 5 lbs less than the normal setup.
     
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  21. Getting_Closer

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    I have to give an update on this string.

    I was so curious what it would be like to hybrid with natural guts, I had to beg one of my friends(professional stringer) whom just happen to have a spare set.

    I strung it with pacific classic guts as main, cross with 4G rough at 52/48.

    It did take about half an hour to settle. Once it is settled, I really began to love this setup: well controlled shots with meaningful spin. I can really push my opponent around with decent pace. Somehow, my flat serve is actually suffering. As I continued playing, I found myself serving more either kick or slice even for the first serve.

    It is just awesome set up. Although I did put some string savers like Fed setup, I still see some minor notches on guts, but nothing serious after 4 hours of playing. (2 hours of single and 2 hours of double) (I consider myself a solid 4.0) It feels like it’s really got a long life ahead.

    The power is just perfect, most of my shots landed about a foot from the baseline, pushing my opponents at least 3 feet from the baseline. The touch shots, well, you can’t really go wrong with guts for touch shots.

    Love it, and hate it when thinking about the cost of switching to this setup.
     
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  22. PowerLob

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    Test Results

    Tension used for playtest
    50 lbs

    Regular string set up
    Prince Synthetic Gut with Duraflex, 56 lbs

    Racquet brand and model used for test
    Prince TT Scream OS with 2 extra ounces of weight added to the inside of the handle/neck. 4 points HL.

    Power of test string
    Underpowered. I have to hit about 10% harder than normal to get the same pace. I normally get about 2-3 aces per set. With these strings, I got no aces but more service winners. 4/10

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?)
    Touch shots are tricky with these strings. They have a slight trampoline effect and a high launch angle. However, brushing drop volleys are easy to execute. 6/10

    Comfort
    I expected a a stiffer response from a poly string, but this one is really soft on my wrist/elbow. I do like the fact that these strings are very quiet. Almost no vibration at all even on overheads. No pain so far and I have 10 hours in. 9/10

    Spin potential
    Very good spin response. I spun a bunch of balls into the net for the first hour before I started adjusting to the massive spin these strings provided. After that, I started to hit a bunch of heavy spinning balls and short angled winners. Slices were also effective as my opponents kept underestimating how much the ball would kick. However, effective groundstroke dropshots were hard to pull off because you have to really pocket these balls to take advantage of the spin potential that it provides. 10/10

    Durability
    My old synthetic guts usually last me about 10 hours before they break. I already have 10 hours in with these 4g rough strings. They started notching a bit and have started to feel a little bit stiffer. But I think that these strings are good for another 5-6 hours before they become unplayable or break. So far so good. 9/10

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time)
    For the first 4 hours, it played great. Very soft and very responsive. Hours 5-8 played a little more dead and stiff (about 5% more) but still no big deal . Hours 9-10 played like the strings have settled down to their final level of tension/stiffness. 7/10

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
    Good control. Depth control is almost perfect. However, side control needs improvement. For ground strokes, I just aim high and hit hard with a low to high stroke and I almost always hit a deep shot that will spin in. For volleys, I to hit the ball more down because these strings have a high launch angle. Overall, I was usually able to place the ball where I wanted to. 8/10

    Compare to the string you use most often
    I usually use Prince Synthetic Gut with Duraflex. This is the first time I tried a poly string. Now, I am kicking myself for not switching over sooner. The 4g Rough played so much better. Although not as powerful as synthetic gut, this poly will more than make up for it by providing more spin and control. I am so much more consistent with these new poly strings. 9/10

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    I strung my 4G rough at 50lbs (~10% lower than my standard synthetic gut setup) which is what the book (internet gurus) recommended. I was expecting more power, but I got more control. Ha Ha. Anyways, I think that 50lbs is about right for me. I like the soft feel and pocketing from looser strings.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts
    This is a very good string. I will start using poly strings from now on. I think that my game suits it. I hit with above average topspin and pace, so I think that poly strings will accentuate these effects. I've been playing for 26 years and have never really found a set of strings that I really like. These poly strings come close. I will start experimenting with the poly strings to try find the right setup for me. Maybe try to hybrid a poly string with synthetic gut on the crosses.

    Thanks for selecting me for the playtest and I hope to do it again.
     
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  23. italia

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    Tension used for play test 53lb

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Wilson Prostaff Six.One 100

    Power of test string: High-range for a poly. It gave me a lot of control.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): a little too stiff.
    Comfort: it's ok.

    Spin potential: great spin and control.

    Durability: break after 15 - 25 times x 2 hours hitting.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): As advertised, it played consistently throughout the playtest.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): love it.

    Compare to the string you use most often: a little better than my Babolat Storm

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): lower tension a little bit if you want more feel

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts:
     
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  24. pennc94

    pennc94 Semi-Pro

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    I only hit with it for 30 minutes last night. Will hit again tomorrow, but here are my initial observation:

    Me
    41 year old 4.5, primarily doubles, all-court, aggressive baseline (S&V for doubles).

    Tension used for playtest
    45 lbs mains / 43 lbs crosses

    Regular string set up
    Solinco Tour Bite 1.20 at 45 lbs mains / 43 lbs crosses

    Racquet brand and model used for test
    Head PT57A

    Power of test string
    Low powered, but a bit more pop than my usual Solinco Tour Bite 1.20 at the same tension. Appealing sound off the strings.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?)
    I did not attempt too many in this 30 minute trial run, but the volleys I hit were comparable to my usual setup.

    Comfort
    I am accustomed to a full poly set-up. I felt nothing more or less comfortable than my usual set-up. There were a few I connected on that felt extra sweet.

    Spin potential
    Nice spin, but no more or less than my usual set-up. Will need to play with it more.

    Durability
    Hard to tell after just 30 minutes. Strung at 45/43, measured on RacquetTune at 42.0, after 30 minutes of very hard hitting measured on RacquetTune at 40.5 (-3.6%). I played for 1.5 hours prior to my playtest with my usual setup (doubles) and lost 4.5%.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time)
    Played fine over the 30 minutes I hit. Will monitor during subsequent hits.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
    Very nice control. Could really hit out. Slice really stayed tight and groundies dipped as expected.

    Compare to the string you use most often
    It almost felt more powerful than Solinco Tour Bite 1.20. As I mentioned a few felt really sweet wheras I have not experienced that with Solinco Tour Bite 1.20. More to come.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    I did not experiment with other tensions, but I cannot imagine stringing greater than 50 in an 18x20.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts
    I really enjoyed my first 30 minutes with this string. Will post later with additional observations from subsequent hits.

    Thanks TW!
     
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  25. tyu1314

    tyu1314 Semi-Pro

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    Played with this string for 2-3 weeks until it pops.
    Tension used for playtest: 50lb strung by klippermate
    Regular string set up: Tourna big hitter blue rough 16g
    Racquet brand and model used for test: wilson blade 98 18x20

    Power of test string: The power of this string is low to medium, but i can generate powers my own, so this is not a problem. With this string i can still generate lots of power and pace on my shots.

    Feel/Touch: The feel is better than any luxilon strings ive ever tried, pretty much the same as the original non textured version. It feels a little bit of stiff, but in a good way. It make my shot feels more solid.

    Comfort: I have been playing with this strings for over two weeks and i dont have any discomfort.

    Spin potential: Above average for a poly, better than the non textured 4G, but not as much as the alu rough. It offers tons of spin, really help me at baseline.

    Durability: A little bit better than other poly, most polys starting notching after 2 hours, this one start notching probably 3-4hours, it pop after 2-3weeks of playing.

    Playability Duration: Best characteristic of this string, it kept its initial playability much longer than other polys.Playability decrease over time as any other polys, but at a slower rate, and it still plays decent even before it pops.

    Control:One of the best aspects of this string, really nice control, it give me the confidences to swing all out on the ball. Both trajectory and directional control are better than almost all the poly ive tried.

    Compare to the string you use most often:Compare to tourna big hitter blue rough, tons of more control and durability.The power is lower, but the spin are pretty close, maybe a little bit less.

    Tension recommendations :High 40s or low 50s. I am quite satisfy with my choice of tension

    List any additional thoughts:Great string , not as good as alu rough when they both are fresh. I think it will be a great choice of poly to be cross with gut.Finally, thank you TW for letting me to be a part of this playtest.
     
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  26. Nuke

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    Tension used for playtest
    50 pounds for both mains & crosses.

    Regular string set up
    Cyber Flash 17 mains and OGSM 16 crosses, both at 55 pounds.

    Racquet brand and model used for test
    Prince Warrior OS.

    Power of test string
    Low powered, as a poly should be. Some newer polys are trying to be softer and more powerful, but with 4G/4GR, Lux seems to be keeping it more control-oriented. You need to bring your own power with these strings, but that’s a good thing if you take a full swing at the ball. This was a positive for me.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?)
    Very solid and stiff feel from these strings. Perhaps not what you’d like if you wanted a “pocketing” feel, but I prefer a crisp stringbed, so these were OK for me. These did all right for volleys and droppers, although the strings feel pretty muted, so there’s not a lot of tactile feedback.

    Comfort
    Despite feeling like these were in the stiff range for a poly, these were a lot more comfortable that I expected. I have some shoulder issues, and didn’t notice that these made anything worse. Not sure how they’d do over the long haul, though, as you need to swing faster with these low-powered strings, so in the long run they might not be the greatest thing for my shoulder, but for the duration of the test they were fine.

    Spin potential
    Very good. I usually find that many textured “spin” strings don’t really add that much more than their plain, round counterparts. Spin potential was a bit lacking with the original 4G strings, and it’s good to see Lux trying to add the missing piece for this version. Yeah, these were better for spin than the original 4G. No, it’s not a big game changer, but closer to what I was hoping 4G was going to be. A positive for me.

    Durability
    This is one of the strengths of 4G – a Lux string that holds up for more than a few hours. With the original round 4G, I was still playing them after 20 hours before cutting them out. These seem the same, as I’m not really noticing any big drop-off in tension or feel after 15 hours. I rarely break poly strings, and usually cut them out around 15 hours. This string still has some life left in it, and I’ll keep it in the bag as a backup/practice stick for a while longer.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time)
    While these were initially very stiff-feeling, they actually felt a bit better after a couple hours of hitting, I thought. Then they settled into a longish period where they were comfortable and predictable. Obviously Lux was sensitive to the people who complain how their strings are only good for a few hours.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
    A big positive here. Very good directional control with this string. You can take big cuts and the ball just goes where you aim, with hardly any unpredictability. If I miss a shot, it’s certainly not this string’s fault.

    Compare to the string you use most often
    Cyber Flash is a good all-around poly at a cheap price point. Lux 4GR beats it easily in the control department. Tension maintenance and playability duration are also better in the Lux 4GR. Comfort and spin production are comparable. With the original Lux 4G, I thought the main issue was a lack of spin potential, although the increase in control was a fair trade-off. With this new rough version of 4G, the spin is pretty good. So now it mostly comes down to price. I like this 4GR a lot, but at double the price of my regular string, I’ll probably stick with the Cyber Flash most of the time. But when I think I need to get more control in my shots, this will be the first string I’ll think of.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    I like a firm-feeling stringbed, but I strung this 5 pounds lower than my usual poly tension, knowing that the original 4G string was pretty stiff. I think that worked out well, and I’d keep it at 50.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts
    Price being a factor, I can see myself using 4GR as a “special event” string (tournaments or league finals) and not my everyday string. Because it does hold tension very well, I might keep one of my racquets in the bag strung with 4Gs for those days when I’m having trouble keeping the ball in the court. Lux listened to me (ahem) when I said my main issue with original 4G was the lower spin potential, so maybe next they’ll take my advice and lower their price a bit. :)

    Thanks to TW & Lux for letting me try it out!
     
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  27. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Well, I use it for a couple of weeks and then cut it out. I am not a huge power player so it works for me.
     
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  28. LanEvo

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    Tension used for playtest: 51 Mains - 53 Crosses

    Regular string set up: Same tension but with Volkl V-Torque

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Babolat Pure Storm Ltd. GT

    Power of test string: I found this string to be pretty powerful, much more power than the V-Torque, and having used MonoGut before, this string is definitely lower power than what I noticed compared to that. In general, this string is pretty low powered compared to other polys. But having used V-Torque for so long, I felt the power was a bit high and at times I would over hit my shots a bit.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): I felt this string has very nice feedback, the ball pocketing is one of the amazing points when you hit it dead on the racquet's sweetspot, butter if you want to put it. I felt this string was somewhat stiff and soft at the same time, when you get that ball pocketing effect out of it, it feels like very soft. At times though, it is usually stiff, specially off mishits and definitely unforgiving.

    Comfort: Definitely a stiff string, no doubt, aside from that butter sensation when you hit the ball right on the sweetspot, this is definitely one of the stiffer polys that I have used. I would say compared to Kirschbaum Super Smash or Pro-Line X it is not as crisp, but stiffer than them as well.

    Spin potential: This string definitely has good spin potential, being a rough version, I noticed I can really plow through the ball and rip it through the frame to get that extra spin. It definitely has more spin generation over a normal round poly, but being not quite a shaped poly, it gives more spin, but does not as well as a shaped poly.

    Durability: It's tough to say, since I am not a string-breaker, but I definitely am still seeing great playability out of it and I have put about 13-15 hours onto the string already including a few matches. So to me, durability is great so far on these strings, have not noticed much difference since having them strung up till now.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): I found that this string does have a bit of a break-in period for me, it took a hitting session (~2 hours) for the strings to settle down and become what I expected. And since then, the playability has not changed at all since I have been hitting during the month.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): Having being used to the shaped poly of V-Torque, I found control to be not as great in comparison. That's not to say it isnt good, but I had to adjust, and with the increased power I found my shots going long when I put more power into it. But I got in under control with using a faster swing and more compact not as wide stance. I found that if I took my time to set up a shot and go for a winner, I ended up netting or hitting it out at times.

    Compare to the string you use most often: In comparison to V-Torque, I found the strings to be more powerful, much stiffer and have less control than them. With Super Smash and Pro-Line X, I found them to be a bit more stiff, but not as crisp, and the power level for them were very similar.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) I would recommend tension around 50 or so, it offers the best of both worlds from how I am using it, not too powerful nor too extra stiff at high tension. And the control is still there.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts Thank you TW for selecting me for another PlayTest. Overall, I would recommend this string to those looking for a more control oriented poly, while wanting to have maintain good power from them. Personally, they are not to my taste, I am way too used to low-power shaped co-polys. But maybe in a hybrid I would use this, possibly with a soft multi or syn gut.

    I'll finish the rest of this review later when I get back from school.
     
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  29. Brocolt

    Brocolt Rookie

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    Tension used for playtest: 43LBS.

    Regular string set up: Solinco tour bite soft 48lbs.

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Prince exo3 tour100 18x20

    Power of test string: 3/10 very low

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): 4/10 felt very dead not a lot of feel with flexible racket

    Comfort : 7/10 I have a fragile wrist due to breaking it a few years ago and this string did not bother it

    Spin potential: 5/10 I felt I had to really work and swing away to get best performance out of string.

    Durability: hard to say I cut string out after 6 hours seemed to hold tension well with very little notching

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): Seemed to play the same from hour 1 to hour 6

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): 4/10 I had to really swing hard to keep ball up if I flattened my stroke at all the ball would go into net. I could never get a good feel for the string with my racket

    Compare to the string you use most often: Dead low powered very little feel

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) I would keep going lower if I had to play with the string trying to find a little more power:

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts. I am not a big fan of the 4g and the 4g rough was very similar. I have a very flexible racket and I need a string with a little more feel and pop. I think this string would complement a stiffer racket to tame the power of the racket. I am older 4.5 player and I just had to work way to hard to generate spin and control with this string.
     
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  30. BLX_Andy

    BLX_Andy Professional

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    New Luxilon String - Playtest!

    Tension used for playtest
    56 lbs

    Regular string set up
    Luxilon 4G @ 56 lbs in Wilson BLX Amplifeel 6.1 95 16x18

    Racquet brand and model used for test
    Wilson BLX Amplifeel 6.1 95 16x18

    Power of test string
    The string itself is low-powered, just like it's round brother 4G. In a way it's very powerful because you can swing at the ball and keep it in due to the outstanding control.

    Feel/Touch
    I can't comment on touch since I'm not good at touch shots (drop shots/volleys, etc.). The feel was pretty good, especially at net. I always had a good feeling where I was going to place the ball. I expected this string to be a bit stiff due to the tension maintenance properties of this string. The stiff qualities of this string was more noticeable when I would swing slower.

    Comfort
    Comfortable just like 4G. Did not feel any tenderness in the arm at any time during the playtest. Surprising due to the stiff properties of the string.

    Spin Potential
    Spin potential was a bit of a let down for me. I thought that I would get much more spin than regular 4G but the difference was minimal, if any. I could also assume the spin potential would be the same as 4G regular as it ages, I noticed the divots "flatten" out as the playtest went on.

    UPDATE: I hit with it a little more and I realized that the spin potential is quite good. When I tried ripping the ball I could see it arc up and down deep in the court. Although the spin potential is not like RPM Blast/Tour Bite good it's still a good spin string. But I can imagine the spin potential dropping due to the string flattening out as it ages.

    Durability
    It takes me 2.5 months to break a polyester so I have no problems here. I guess it might not last as long since the divots could be potential breaking points.

    Playability Duration
    I'm a bit of a novice to tell the difference between a dead string and a "live" string, but the string did feel better as it stayed in the racquet longer. But it's never as good as it is off the stringing machine, just like any other poly.

    Control
    Due to the "dead-ish" feel I was able to control the ball, even if I were to hit as hard as I can. Trajectory is a bit different since the divots would bite the ball. I have to swing up a bit more to get comfortable net clearance.

    Compare to the string you use most often
    I was surprised that there's barely any difference in spin potential compared to 4G Regular. But trust me there's a noticeable amount of spin added, just not enough to make me switch.

    Tension recommendations
    I probably would string this at around 52-54 lbs next time. But I guess I'll do that with the rest of my 4G.

    List any additional thoughts
    This could be a good substitute for ALU Power Rough with Natural Gut to make your own "Champion's Choice" hybrid, but with a poly that lasts longer in playability and better tension maintenance.

    As this is my first playtest for TW I was happy to participate in this. Hope that I could be part of future playtests. Thank you TW!
     
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2013
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  31. emilyhex

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    That's a good point. I didn't think the feel/touch was it's strong point either. But maybe with a stiffer racquet, you get a better feel with this string.
     
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  32. swfh

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    Can anyone compare this to gosen Polylon? Review to come soon
     
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  33. Nostradamus

    Nostradamus G.O.A.T.

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    ^^^That is really disappointing BLX Andy about the spin potential. I remember Alu power Rough had much better spin than alu power. so I expected the same to be true here.
     
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  34. BLX_Andy

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    Actually, I hit with it more and I found out the spin potential to be quite good, but not RPM Blast or Tour Bite good. I've never hit with Alu Power Rough so I can't do a direct comparison.
     
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  35. mlocke1322

    mlocke1322 Rookie

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    Tension used for playtest: 47

    Regular string set up: Tour Bite Soft / Isospeed Baseline Spin

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Tecnifibre TFight 315 Ltd 16M

    Power of test string: Fairly low power. I did feel it had slightly greater power than the standard 4G, which is what Luxilon claims. I was able to hit deeper into the court consistently with this than I did with the regular 4G. The string still did not have the same level of pop as my standard setup. I would not class this as a powerful polyester by any means. The benefit is that you can swing out and keep the ball in regularly. While that was the plus side to the low power, I also found myself getting a bit of fatigue over time from swinging out on everything.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): Pretty average feel/touch for a poly. Regular 4G has better feel on contact than this rough version does. Like 4G, I thought this version had adequate touch around the net and avoided that plastic like feel that some low end polys have.

    Comfort: String plays comfortably. I thought this version played a bit softer than regular 4G but that could also be because I lowered the tension a few pounds compared to when I tested 4G. I don't have any discomfort playing with this. The issue I run into is fatigue over time from swinging out on lots of balls in an effort to keep them deep into the court. I get better depth with my regular setup with a bit less physical effort.

    Spin potential: Slightly above average. Definitely has more spin than 4G thanks to the rough texture. I still don't think it has anything close to the spin of Tour Bite. It lacks that explosive spin that Tour Bite has. Where I liked 4G Rough's spin was on the slice. I felt like it kept slices nice and low and got them skidding away from people. Topspin shots and kick serves did not have the same jump that my regular setup gives them. Overall it had decent spin for a non shaped poly but I'd still stick with my usual.

    Durability: Durability seems to be good and about on par with 4G. I have about 10 hrs on it and the strings are notched about half way through. I don't hit with a ton of topspin so I don't break a lot of string anyway. The fact that this is a 16g string makes it pretty unlikely I would break it prior to cutting it out, save for a random mishit.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): Now here is where I was a bit surprised. When I tested regular 4G, it played pretty consistent the whole way through. The Rough had a noticeable drop off in playability for me at about the 7 hr mark. The string bed lost some feel and I had some more shots fall out. I also felt like I lost a bit of directional control. Part of this may be the tension. 4G was so stiff and low power for me when I tested it that I lowered the tension on the Rough a bit more in anticipation of a similar feel.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
    :Control was very good initially. I had no problem directing the ball around the court from either wing. The string had plenty of control on all types of shots. At about the 7 hr mark is when it started losing that level of consistency. The string bed lost a fair amount of feel and balls sprayed a bit more than they had early on.

    Compare to the string you use most often: 4G Rough just doesn't have the same level of power and spin that my usual setup has. It is low power and doesn't offer enough on kick serves and topspin shots for me. If I was generating more racquet head speed throughout an entire match, this string would probably be a better fit.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    : I would raise my tension by a few pounds. The standard 4G was so rough on my arm that I went low on the Rough version to try and address the issue before hand. In the end though, the Rough played a bit softer and I think the low tension contributed to the loss of control I experienced. I think I'd bump it up to 50 or 51 if I were to play with it again.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts: Much like regular 4G, the Rough version just isn't for me in a full set. I will say that I think this could be a great cross string for a gut hybrid. I absolutely hated 4G as a full set but have used it as a cross and really enjoyed it. Rough adds a bit more spin and if you can dial the tension in, it should have similar durability to original 4G. That being said, cost is also an issue for me. I would only use this as a cross and I wouldn't spend that kind of money on cross strings. There are some other options out there that would be equivalent or better for lower cost. But if you have the money to burn, 4G rough would be worth a try.
     
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  36. bspitch1

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    Tension used for playtest: 48lbs

    Regular string set up: Dunlop Black Widow @ 48lbs

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Wilson Blade 93

    Power of test string: This string had moderate power. There is slightly more power than the standard 4G and Black Widow but it wasn't too much. I liked the power of 4G rough, especially once I got used to it.

    Feel/Touch: This string had similar feel and touch to the standard 4G. I got good response from the stringed, especially compared to other full bed polys. I'm not able to comment too much on slower strokes because I have a very fast swing speed but from my perspective, it had good feel.

    Comfort: Comfort was good. No arm pain or any discomfort after playing with it.

    Spin potential: Spin potential was significantly better than the original 4G but still only above average compared to other poly's. I won't be replacing black widow for 4G rough based on spin, that is for sure.

    Durability: Durability seems to be good and about on par with 4G. I have about 10 hrs on it and the strings are notched about half way through. I don't hit with a ton of topspin so I don't break a lot of string anyway. The fact that this is a 16g string makes it pretty unlikely I would break it prior to cutting it out, save for a random mishit.

    Playability Duration : Playability was good for me. It lasted about 5.5 hours until it broke, which was a little early for breakage compared to what I am used to. Aside from that, tension maintenance was good for the duration.

    Control: Once I got used to the power level of the string, control was not a problem. Serves were on point, as well as groundstrokes and volleys.

    Compare to the string you use most often: 4G rough does not allow for as much spin as my current setup. It allowed for a little more power (but not too much). I liked this string but I won't be giving up my current setup for it.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    : I would raise the tension a pound or two to try to make up for the power difference. Aside from that, everything else felt great.
     
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  37. bigserving

    bigserving Semi-Pro

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    String gauge and color - 16L Gauge /1.25 mm Gold color

    Tension used for playtest - 50 Lbs.

    Regular string setup - Normally a full set Dunlop Black Widow 17 gauge 50 lbs x 50 lbs strung on a lockout machine.

    Racquet brand and model used - Dunlop Aerogel 4D 200 Tour.

    Power of string tested - Not at all unexpected, another overall, relatively low-powered polyester string. Compared to other ploys, it felt about average. It felt like it had a bit more pop than Black Widow at this particular tension.

    Feel - Very decent feel for a polyester. There was perhaps some slight ball pocketing feel, probably due to the low tension, relatively thick gauge, and the rough texture of the string. Groundstrokes are where this string is worth the money.

    Spin - Good spin effect even better than expected from the average polyester string. This is where the rough texture really plays a large role in the overall performance.

    Comfort - Found this to be, perhaps, the biggest drawback of this string for some players. It is a very firm string. The thicker 16L gauge, probably helped to absorb some of the shock. Even for such a firm string, there was no real discomfort on any one stroke for me. But for some, this string may prove to be too stiff.

    Durability - No premature string breakage. The strings did not break during six sets of singles played over the course of about one week.

    Duration of optimal playability - This is where it gets really good. Like some of the other top polyesters, this one held tension extremely well. The playability dropped off some in a short period, then maintained nicely for the remaining week or so of play.

    Control on different strokes and different swing speeds - Hitting groundstrokes is a dream with these strings. Tons of control and lots of spin. This string will work best with high swing speeds and for players with high swing speeds. I did not have my usual pop on my serve with this setup. As usual, hitting crisp volleys with polyester strings require a change in technique in order to be firm and effective.

    Compare to 17 gauge Dunlop Black Widow - Widow still has more spin potential and is softer so more comfortable. The Luxilon 4GR has a bit of an edge in tension maintenance and slightly more power.

    Tension Recommendation - Depending on the power level of the frame, and desired power level, stringing in the 45 - 50 lbs. range should be quite playable for lots of players.

    Final thoughts - This string looks, feels, and plays like a top quality string. A lot of players will like this string. The extra bite provided by the rough texture will make this string attractive to more powerful players looking for control. In the right frame, with the right player, at the right tension, could make this a string of choice for many polyester players. A thinner gauge version of this string, if available, for more power, could be used to improve playability. It is a poly so it is not for everyone, but this will be a very easy string to recommend.
     
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  38. ishiun

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    Tension used for playtest: 56lbs

    Regular string set up: Tourna Big Hitter Black 7 (17G) @ 56lbs

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Wilson Juice Pro

    Power of test string: Had good power. More than BHB7 by a bit. I was able to get power on shots when i needed it. Made a bit more errors hitting shots long though

    Feel/Touch: Feel and touch was decent. Not much better than most polys but not much worse either. Drop shots, Angles and volleys all felt fine but nothing stood out.

    Comfort: I've never had arm problems due to strings and this did not change that. Comfort was good. THere was still no pain or anything

    Spin potential: A little dissapointed here. THere was more spin then the original 4G but compared to BHB7 it wasnt even close. Its still possible to hit heavy but I had to pay more attention to my swing to gain the spin that i wanted.

    Durability: THis was good. Lasted about 8 hours. About the same for most of the strings i play with in this gauge.

    Playability Duration : Playability was good. Not much change throughout the 8 hours except for the last hour which lost quite a bit of tension. Hit a bit more errors but was still controllable.

    Control: Control wasn't really there for me probably due to the power. Directional control was fine after a bit of adapting to the power, but at first it was a bit too powered for me. Hit lots of shots out.

    Compare to the string you use most often: Good in terms of power and playability duration but control and spin potential lacked in comparison to BHB7. I value control over power so Overall i prefer BHB7 but the string is very good and would suit players seeking power.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): Raise a few pounds to increase control.
     
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  39. swfh

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  40. pvar

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    Tension used for playtest: 52
    Regular string set up: Solinco Tour Bite 16
    Racquet brand and model used for test: Technifibre Tfight 315 16M
    Power of test string: Power was on the low side and required full strokes. This string had low power compared to Tour bite. After 2 hours string played better and provided good power.
    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): Feel and touch was good on volleys and slices. felt stiff on mishits.
    Comfort: I had shoulder issues in the past so I am very sensitive to the stiff strings. This string did not impact my shoulder so i can say it was good in comfort department.
    Spin potential: This string shines in spin department. I was getting crazy spin. Spin was similar to tour bite.
    Durability: I have played for about 12 hours, no issues but I am not a string breaker.
    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): I have played for 12 hours and still playing great.
    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): This is very control oriented string. I liked the control better than tour bite.
    Compare to the string you use most often: It was better string than Tour bite except little low in power in comparison to Tour bite.
    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): No more than 50 lb.
     
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  41. BIGJ98

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    Tension used for Playtest:51
    Regular string set up: Tourna big hitter blue rough

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Head microgel radical mp

    Power of test string:8/10 This string was probably the lowest power string I ever used and you really had to swing out for your shots but that for me was a good thing because I already had the racquet head speed. I can't remember hitting a ball long but some short shots went into the net.

    Feel/Touch 5/10 This string was not good on touch shots at all because if you tried to attempt a dropshot the ball just went straight into the net. It took a some time to adjust and then it was maybe a little better.

    Comfort: 8/10 This string wasn't soft and for me I was fine with it and it wasn't too stiff.

    Spin potential:7.5/10 The spin on this string was really good for the first couple of days but then it wore off. I still felt I got the grab on the ball but it wasn't as much as my current string tourna bhbr.

    Durability:10/10 This area is really where the string shines. It is the best string I have ever played regarding durability. There was very little notching a after 12 hours. This string would go great in an open pattern like the new prince or Wilson rackets.

    Playability Duration: 10/10 This category is another area where the string shined. I noticed a little difference between the first and third sessions but after that the playability really stayed constant.

    Control: 9/10 the control of this string was really good. I felt I could swing hard and the ball would just drop in. This would control a high powered racket like the pure drive really well.
    Compare to the string you use most often: This string has more control, more durability more tension maintenance but Tourna bhbr has more power and spin which complements my Head Microgel radical mp well.

    Tension recommendations: I think I would probably maybe go 4 or 5 lbs lowered but I would recommend low 50s or 40s for this string.

    Conclusion: This string is similar to Wilson Ripspin or pro line x but it has that distinct luxilon feel. The spin is ok but really if your looking for a durable control string then this is it.
     
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  42. Roger Wawrinka

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    Tension: I used 56 on the mains and 55 on the crosses.

    String set up: I use Solinco tour bite 16

    Racquet: The racquet I used for this playtest was the Wilson blx pro staff 6.1 90

    Feel/Touch: The string to me was dead. It was not a comfortable string to play with when compared to my usual Solinco string.

    Comfort: Not comfortable at all.

    Spin potential: I felt that I could produce a good amount of spin with this string. To me it was comparable to the Big banger rough string.

    Durability: The string was pretty durable. It lasted about a week and a half of hitting time for me playing about 4 days a week for about one and a half hours each day.

    Playability: The tension dropped over time resulting in the playability dropping. Towards the end of the week and a half time frame that the string lasted, I was not receiving the same type of pop or spin as I did when it was first strung.

    Control: I felt the control was great. Regardless of the type of shot (slice, topspin, flat) or how much I was going for, I had confidence in my control over the ball.

    Compare: Compared to my typical Solinco string, I did not feel it was as good. The Silinco, to me, plays more lively plus is easier to produce spin off of the racquet.

    Tension: If I were to play with the string again I would use a different tension. I would probably string it lower around 52 or 53 so it plays more lively and less dead.

    My brother actually did this playtest and wrote the review. He is a 5.0 Player.
     
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  43. J.Lee42

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    Tension: 50 lbs

    Regular string set up: Head Intellitour 17g

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Head Youtek IG Prestige MP

    Power of test string: The string overall is pretty low powered. I could control my shots and was able to hit deeper shots consistently with this than I did with many other polys. I would say players who like to swing out on every shot could benefit from using this string the most. However, the string lacked the additional pop I enjoy having on my shots.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): Overall, there wasn't anything special that stood out for this string. About the same as most other polys.

    Comfort: In my opinion, this string feels pretty comfortable. I thought this plays a bit softer than the average poly. I put a huge emphasis on comfort when looking for a string, so I felt this fit pretty well to my liking. I never really had any arm issues so I can't really comment on that aspect. Like I said earlier, the string is pretty low powered, so the only issue i found was normal fatigue from swinging out for long periods of time.

    Spin potential: Overall, I would say the spin potential on this string was definitely better than a normal poly. However, I felt it lacked the spin I enjoy getting from my original set up. I felt my topspin shots didn't have the same jump and pace that my regular setup gives them, but 4G rough still had a decent amount of both aspects.

    Durability: The durability on the string was good like many polys. I can't really comment much on this because i'm not a string breaker.

    Playability Duration/Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): I found the control from the string to be very good. The low power allowed me to hit the ball to all areas of the court fairly easily. The string also allowed me to hit good angles. I would say by the 8-9 hour mark, i started noticing a bit of a decline of playability. The tension felt like it dropped pretty significantly and I felt this version didn't hold up as good as when i tried the normal 4G. However, up until that point, the string was very good.

    Compare to the string you use most often: Luxilon 4G Rough is a bit low powered and not as comfortable as my usual set up. I felt like my original set up provided more comfort as well as spin (but this could be due to the difference in gauges).

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): I would probably recommend stringing it around 45ish because it is a very low powered string. Lowering the tension a couple pounds would most likely add that little extra pop that I enjoy.
     
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  44. swfh

    swfh Rookie

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    Tension used for playtest: 48 lbs constant pull

    Regular string set up: Tourna Big Hitter Silver Rough 48 lbs

    Racquet brand and model used for test Dunlop Aerogel 4d 300 tour, leather grip, 6 grams of lead at each 6,9,12

    Power of test string Lux 4g Rough lacked in the power department. At least for me, it was very underpowered. I really had to swing my hardest to place the ball deep. That being said, the amount of power on clean hits was better than most other polys. The string rewards solid, consistent hitting. When I played with the regular 4g, i felt that it was underpowered in a poly gut hybrid, and I lowered the tension according for this play test. However, I don't think that it made a difference. I didn't notice an increase in power. Not comparing apples to apples, but at least I'm still comparing fruits :)

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?) On groundies, 4g rough felt not dead, but muted in a good way. It is a clear winner in terms of feel from the baseline. I had a very good gauge as to where my balls were going and how deep. At net however, 4g rough failed. My hands will make something good happen at net anyway, but I prefer a string that helps. On volleys, the response was horrible. I like when I can feel the ball dip into the string bed and pop out, but my frame felt like a board at net.

    Comfort I have never had a problem with polys hurting my wrist, but the stiffness was felt. There was a clear difference this and my regular set up. That being said, I never felt any discomfort.

    Spin potential My biggest gripe with regular 4g was the lack of spin potential. I had tested it with gosen micro crosses, but the mains give the frame most of the characteristics anyway.
    When I first took 4g rough out of the package, the first thing I noticed was the crimped texture. Whereas Big Hitter Silver Rough and Big Hitter Blue Rough (my former string of choice) are clearly twisted, I couldn't see that same twist in 4g rough.
    On first hit, the ball was jumping and so were kickers. Not as much as my usual, but enough to get the job done. On subsequent outings, the performance decreased slightly, to the point where the spin I was getting was less than isospeed baseline spin.

    Durability Since my frame has a tight 18 x 20 pattern, I rarely break strings. In terms of notching, it was about the same as other polys.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time) Since the string was rather plain to start with, I didn't notice that much of a change between outings, except in spin. Tension felt about the same, as did power. Well done here!

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?) The muted feel really helps out here. I was really able to hit out on my shots, hitting lasers from my forehand wing. Trajectory was rather low compared to BHSR.

    Compare to the string you use most often These really are two different strings. BHSR is way softer and offers better touch and spin, while Luxilon 4g rough's muted feel helps me from the baseline.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) No changes.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts I think that for my game and my frame, BHSR suits me better because I need some power. For someone who played with an open string pattern frame, 4g rough would be a better alternative because of its durability and control. Additionally, I think that using this in the mains with gosen crosses would soften up the string bed, while adding power. Spin might still be a problem though.

    Overall, I think that this string is meant for serious players, as the more you put in to it the more you get out. I would try it in an open pattern, because I think that the benefits of both the string and the pattern would add up to a nice harmony.

    Thank You TW and Luxilon for this play test!! I look forward to more fun ones in the future
     
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  45. Nostradamus

    Nostradamus G.O.A.T.

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    I actually got a hold of one set of Lux 4G rough. and play tested it today. Full bed. I will put in the comments if you guys want me to, but this is outside of TW play test.
    But one thing that really struck me, ODD as it may seem, is that my racket head felt heavier and it threw my timing off a lot. Is this just in my head ?
     
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  46. BLX_Andy

    BLX_Andy Professional

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    Have you tried weighing it to your usual setup? Raw numbers will dissipate any "in my head" thoughts.
     
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  47. purple-n-gold

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    Hey Fedace, fyi full poly is heavier than your poly/multi set-up. Also a full Lux job is heavier than full 17g Black magic.
     
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  48. Nostradamus

    Nostradamus G.O.A.T.

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    No, I have not. but didn't somebody in the past say that Luxilon polys tend to be heavier than others. I was using 18 G Poly in the past too. maybe that was the reason. Lux 4G rough was 16L.

    4G had some excellent control though. better control than most poly I have known and I tried many. Slightly less power than RPM blast. If they make this 4G rough in 18 gauge, I would think we have something very special. Not so much for the pros but for the amateur guys. 18G 4G rough would give you little more power and little more spin while enhancing feel. That could make this string just about PERFECT.

    Oh, by the way, reason I say this is cause Luxilon will be releasing Alu Power in 18 gauge very soon.
     
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  49. BLX_Andy

    BLX_Andy Professional

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    I remember you responded to my review about my view on 4G Rough's spin potential. What did you think about it since you got a hands-on playtest?
     
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  50. Nostradamus

    Nostradamus G.O.A.T.

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    I thought it was pretty good, especially when you hit the ball on the sweet spot. It was almost as good as RPM blast spin which surprised me. Ball comes off very heavy with this 4G string. another positive I noticed.
     

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