New Luxilon String - Review Due November 1!

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  1. BLX_Andy

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    What tension did you string it at? It felt dead to me at 56 lbs.
     
  2. Nostradamus

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    52 lbs, but I think ideal tension is 45-50 lbs with this string. it is fairly stiff feeling. Full bed at 48 lbs would be perfect. If you hybrid, 52 lbs might be perfect.
     
  3. SteveI

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    This is also my experience... :)
     
  4. woodje12

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    3.5 Player's Playtest 4G Rough

    Background: I'm a 38 year old man at 3.5 after 2 years of playing, not counting "experimentation" in high school. ;-) Trying to develop more modern/spin-creating strokes versus flat. Was going to try polys for the first time, as I had just bought ALU Power Rough before the playtest came up so I used it instead.

    Tension used for playtest: 53 lbs, I went strictly by the book and lowered 10%.

    Regular string set up: 58 lbs, 17 gauge multi's, mostly Babolat Addiction and Wilson Sensation have also tried Prince Premier LT and Gamma TNT2.

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Babolat Pure Drive (2011 IIRC; the medium blue one)

    Power of test string: 6/10, I suppose I was looking for more power out of a poly even though this is not necessarily touted as a powerful poly. Luxilon does still rate it fairly highly for power on the packaging. My shoulder did get a little sore the first morning after hitting for a long time with this string (not elbow just related to needing big swings).

    Feel/Touch: 8/10, I was able to effectively execute drop shots and other touch shots with this maybe only slightly worse than multi's. Better than expected.

    Comfort: 7/10, Other than the sore shoulder, which is not uncommon for me after a very long hitting session, I found this string to be fairly forgiving. I was expecting worse frankly and this has been why I haven't used polys yet. That said, when I missed the sweet spot I could feel it and even sweet spot hits were not that pure feeling of bliss!

    Spin potential: 8/10, I did see some benefit here. My wife did think I was hitting with more spin than usual granted this wasn't a double blind test so it could be all mental!

    Durability: 10/10, I don't break even 17 gauge multi's that frequently but I have yet to notice any real notching with this 16L.

    Playability Duration: 10/10, I haven't noticed any real drop off at this point.

    Control: 7/10, I did feel more variation in results based on how close to the sweet spot I hit. Nothing horrible but some difference there.

    Compare to the string you use most often: The greatest compliment and complaint is the same --- this string was not terribly different than a multi (e.g., Sensation). It had slightly less comfort and produced slightly more spin but not much else.

    Tension recommendations: I'm still learning about my ideal tension but I think based on the low power perhaps I might lower this a little more to say 50?

    List any additional thoughts: At the end of the day, this string did not take my from a 3.5 to a 5.0 overnight (sigh). Realistically, I thought it might add a little more punch to my game but that was not necessarily the case. Given the significant price premium and general Luxilon poly hype, perhaps some of it unfair expectations by me, I came away slightly disappointed. To be fair, I'm probably not the ideal target audience as I'm still actively learning the game and not swinging super fast, but for me I see no real reason to abandon multi's for this string anyway.

    Thanks TW for the opportunity to participate!!!
     
  5. AC Tennis

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    My review of 4G Rough

    About me: I’m a 48 year old 4.5 all court player with a one handed backhand (top and slice) and an open stance forehand. I play about 75 % doubles and 25% singles and play all the usta leagues.

    Tension used for playtest: 50lbs

    Regular string set up: Beast XP 17g @ 50lbs

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Head IG Radical Pro

    Power of test string: Fairly low powered. I thought it was even lower powered than the original 4G. Much lower than my usual Beast XP, though I usually play with the 17g, so that is also a factor.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): For a low powered textured poly, it had pretty good touch and feel. I could hit drop shots and angles, both topspin and underspin with ease.

    Comfort: It felt awful the first time out. It was stiff and unforgiving. But after a few hours it did soften up and felt much better. It still gave me a bit of wrist and shoulder pain, but I think it is because with this string, I feel like I can swing hard and it will still stay in the court. And that is a positive. So overall, comfort was ok for a thick, low powered poly.

    Spin potential: Spin was pretty good. I’d say less than my Beast XP, but better than the original 4G. The textured string definitely grabs the ball better than the smooth 4G.

    Durability: Good. But I do not generally break polys so with such a thick string, I didn’t think it would break and after over 20 hours, it has not.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): This string retained it’s playability for quite a long time. It has only recently begun losing its elasticity after over 20 hours of hitting. It has lasted about 8 to 10 hours longer than most other polys I’ve tried.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): Control with this string was awesome. It has a different feel than the polys I usually use, but the low power combined with the elasticity and texture give the string excellent control. I felt that I could absorb power and direct the ball wherever I wanted. Spin and feel added to the control. I’d say that control is this string’s best quality.

    Compare to the string you use most often: The 4G Rough is less powerful than Beast XP 17g, it has about the same spin, but grabs the ball better than Beast XP. It is stiffer and a little harder on the arm than Beast, but gives better all around control and retains playability considerably longer.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): I would drop the tension a couple pounds to about 47 or 48 lbs for a little more power.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts: Very good string, especially if you can supply your own power. Great control and feel for a thick, stiff poly. If not for the cost, I would consider using it as the mains for a hybrid with a soft, think copoly.

    Thanks TW for a chance to try this string!
     
  6. Six.one.touring

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    Luxilon 4G rough vs ALU rough

    Tension used for playtest
    54 mains/53 crosses
    Regular string set up
    Volkl Cyclone 17 gauge
    Racquet brand and model used for test
    Wilson k.six.one.tour 90
    Power of test string
    For a poly string this had moderate power. I felt ALU rough had a little more power than this string and my current string had more than that. Still overall, at this tension it had enough to penetrate the court with some physical effort. Someone who maintains a healthy exercise repertoire should be fine with this string.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?)
    I felt the string was a bit stiff for some of the touch shots. I had a harder time landing a short drop shot because I couldn’t familiarize myself with the bed of strings. I think it might be too stiff at this tension. I could lower the tension to improve that a bit, but I do not think this is going to improve it dramatically. 3/5

    Comfort
    I was very pleased with the comfort of this string. It is a large improvement over the ALU rough, the strings predecessor. I felt it was a good balance between ease of the shot and the sensation of ball striking was very a pleasant. Out of all the different characteristics of this string, the comfort stands on top for this string. 5/5

    Spin potential
    I felt the spin potential was on par with ALU rough and little bit less than Volkl cyclone. With this string you can get a significant amount of spin but still hit flatter penetrating shots with confidence. It blends the two very well and it provides an all-purpose game where as the Volkl cyclone is more spin oriented. Overall, I felt the spin was above average and capable of serious spin. 4/5

    Durability
    The durability is excellent. So far through these three weeks of playing it shows similar durability qualities of ALU rough. I believe this string can last far longer than its playability will allow which could lead to player abuse sometimes, but I got to hand it to Luxilon they build strings to last. 5/5

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time)
    One thing that I felt was a great improvement was how immediately I could play this string. When I used ALU rough I had a problem when it was freshly strung. It felt so stiff and jarring that my muscles were sore and I could not feel the string bed at all. With the Luxilon 4G rough I could hit with it right away. I did not have the sore sensation at all. Also, as the stringed as time went on it maintained its performance. Unlike ALU rough, where the tension only holds for a week this string still felt good at the three week mark. I did not feel the sudden drop in tension quite yet. I think as this string loses tension in a more gradual manner. 5/5

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
    The control felt very reminiscient of ALU rough. Being one of its strongest qualities, you can attain great control even in a fast paced game. I think this string worked best at a high paced game because it manipulates it so well. I can absorb hard shots and put them back in court and apply strong strokes. At slower speeds it felt good, probably not as good as at a fast pace but you can predict its trajectory well. I felt the topspin shots were the best for this string. Good control and depth. 4/5

    Compare to the string you use most often
    I felt this string is an improvement over my current string Volkl Cyclone. My current string is more comfortable but I do not like the sensation of hitting the ball. Maybe it is just me but I do not feel we see eye to eye on some shots. But, if the strings are fresh the undeniable amount of spin helps put the ball in the court. Still, the sensation of knowing the exact trajectory of the ball in the Luxilon 4G rough allows me to better plan shots and I feel more comfortable, relaxed, and more confident in my game with the playtest string.
    Now, before I used Luxilon ALU rough before Cyclone. Luxilon 4G rough offers more comfort and better playability duration than ALU rough. 4G covers all the cons that I had for ALU rough which was why I switched to a more comfortable string with better playability over time. But in a match ALU rough is superior to Volkl Cyclone to me, but with Luxilong 4G rough I do not have to compromise.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    I felt happy with my tension 54/53, same tension I used on ALU rough. I’ve tried many different tensions with ALU rough and found this to be the sweet spot.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts
    I hadn’t realized it but ALU rough and 4G rough are heavier strings than Volkl Cyclone, Sidewinder, and Kirschbaum spiky shark. That weight differential also impacted my game I think in a positive way. The plow seems easier with luxilon compared to the other strings and I wish I had a balance board and weight machine to check.
    Stringing ALU rough is probably one of the worst experiences I’ve had with stringing. It just wouldn’t weave and it was stiff as a board. Luxilon 4G rough is far easier to string which my hands appreciate.
    Assuming that Luxilon 4G rough comes in at the same price as 4g 16.95 or reel at 254.95. I am tempted to make this my string of choice for a while to come.

    Maybe Federer will decide to switch to this string?
     
  7. njsigman

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    Tension used for playtest: 50 lbs.

    Regular string set up: Head Sonic Pro 17g at 50 lbs.

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Donnay Pro One 97 18x20

    Power of test string: Low powered like many other polys. You must generate you own, which is not a problem for me. Serves and groundies had excellent pace.

    Feel/Touch: Had decent feel, about average with most polys. Same with touch. Volleys at the net were crisp.

    Comfort: Really nice comfort across the board. I was pleasantly surprised by that as prior experiences with Luxilon strings were not nearly as comfortable. No pain or fatigue experienced during the test.

    Spin potential: Good access to spin and the spin was above average. In reminded me a great deal of Wilson Ripspin. Groundstrokes and 2nd serves had nice spin.

    Durability: Tension was pretty consistent for about 8 hours. This is consistent with some of my other setups. I am not a string breaker so no issues there. The string also has not frayed after about 10 hours of play.

    Playability Duration: It stayed pretty playable for about 10 hours. Slight tension drop for me after 8 hours but I'll take that duration of play. Nice plus there.

    Control: I thought control was one of its best features. The trajectory was predictable and I seldomly hit balls long during the first several hours of play. As far as groundies, I thought it was fantastic. Volleys were crisp and serves stayed in. If you are a power player like me, you will get much needed control.

    Compare to the string you use most often: I normally use Head Sonic Pro 17g. They are similar in that comfort and control are some of their best attributes. Power is relatively low on both strings but their durability and control more than make up for it.

    Tension recommendations: I would lower the tension on this string another 1-2 pounds. I think that would provide even greater comfort and power.

    Additional thoughts: I think it is a very good string. I thought it was very comparable to Wilson Ripspin. I would certainly be open to trying it again and loosening the tension a bit. Perhaps even hybriding it with a high quality multi. And I would like to play a bit of doubles with it to get that perspective as well. All in all, I think we have a winner.

    Thank you very much TW and Luxilon for the opportunity! :)
     
  8. dode

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    Playtest Results

    About me 35 year old 4.0 back into tennis for a couple of years after a 12 year hiatus. Big hitter and server still learning to play doubles.
    Tension used for playtest 52 lbs
    Regular string set up Genesis Black Magic 17
    Racquet brand and model used for test Wilson Steam 99S leaded to 345 g and 7 pts HL
    Power of test string This is a lower powered poly, but that is a good thing. I have played regular 4G in the Steam 99S and this plays similarly power wise. It has less power than the Black Magic I have been playing with, but that isn't a bad thing. I give it 4/10 on the power scale.
    Feel/Touch I like the feel of these strings. They are very predictable, and the 4G/4G rough strings in the Steam 99S are probably the best touch and feel setup I play with. I give it 8/10.
    Comfort I do not generally play with full poly as it is hard on my arm. However the Steam 99S is one exception to this. It is almost a must to use in this frame, and it does not give me any arm problems. I will say it is not as comfortable as the Genesis Black Magic, but it is not harsh like others I have tried. I give it 7/10.
    Spin potentialBeing lower powered helps to enhance the spin potential because you can take a bigger cut at the ball to produce more RPM's. I would say the spin potential is slightly higher than the Black Magic because of this. I will note though that compared to regular Luxilon 4G, I really don't think the rough version adds a ton more spin potential. Also, it seemed that the spin seemed to be somewhat reduced once the strings began to notch. I think the texture on the strings seemed to almost lock the string bed together once the notches began to form. I will rate spin potential 7/10, with a lot of that being due to the low power of the string.
    Durability This string lasted about 8.5 hours of hitting and playing in my Steam 99S. I would say that is a little longer than average for poly in this frame for me. I generally get about 6 hours out of the Black Magic, but it is also 17 gauge. I will give it a 7/10 in this category.
    Playability Duration After 4-5 hours when the strings started to develop notches, I could notice that the spin was a little bit diminished. I think this is because the texture on the string almost served to lock the string bed together once the notches developed. I found myself having to adjust the strings sometimes because they did not have the same snap back. Overall though that was fairly minor and I give it an 7.5/10 for this, especially compared to other poly's.
    Control This is where this string (just like standard 4G) really shines. The Steam is a fun racquet to play with, but if you aren't careful you can really start spraying balls with it. That does not seem to be nearly as much of an issue with this string from any part of the court. I give this string an 8.5/10 in this department.
    Compare to the string you use most often In this frame, I typically use Genesis Black Magic 17. It is not my favorite string setup, but it is good for the money. This racquet is not my usual frame however. I normally use a Volkl C10 Pro with gut/poly hybrid, but I use the Steam for when I am playing against players who do not hit as hard. That being said, I do like this string more than the Black Magic. I can take full cuts with the racquet and I am confident the ball will stay in the court and go where I am aiming. Sometimes the Black Magic is a little too powerful and I have to back off a bit and that leads to errors. If money is no object (yeah that happens a lot), 4G/4G rough would always been in this frame for me.
    Tension recommendations I was pleased with my tension choice (52 lbs) in this frame as that is what I normally string 4G with in this frame.
    (Optional) List any additional thoughts This string was no problem to string. There was no bad coil memory or issues with knots or anything. As noted above, it changed a little as it notched, which I never really saw with standard 4G. If I were to try this in the future, I would most likely play this as a hybrid with 4G rough mains and standard 4G crosses. From my experience, it seems that textured mains seem to benefit from working against a smooth cross.

    Thanks for the opportunity to playtest this string. I look forward to more in the future.

    John
     
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2013
  9. Micalzon

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    Luxilon Play Test Results

    Regular string set up: Mains-Volkl Cyclone/crosses-MSV Co Focus 46/48lbs.
    Racquet brand and model used for test: Babolat Pure Storm Team
    Power of test string: Low powered, even at the lower tension. If you hit the ball dead center of the sweet spot you could see a glimps of hope for a good passing shot, but they were few and far between, and only if you really wound up your forehand.
    Feel/Touch: Felt fairly dead at first, bu livened up a little bit after the first set, though not by much. Touch on volleys were good, but I would have expected better out of a more control oriented string.
    Comfort: It was more comfortable than I had anticipated. I could feel some soreness the next day if playing 3 full sets of singles, but I would have put it in a hybrid anyway to soften up the string bed a little more anyway.
    Spin potential: Was less impressed with the spin of this string. Now, it had a little more bite than a smooth poly/copoly but not enough to make a huge difference. The ball dropped around 2-3 inches closer than a comparable, smooth poly. Definitely nothing to write home about. Don't get me wrong, the extra spin wasn't bad, just not as aggresive as I would've liked.
    Durability: The durability was about average to below average. The strings seemed to keep their shape well throughout the play test. My only concern was how quick the strings had notched. After about 4 sets worth of play (2 sessions at 2 sets each over 4 days), the strings had notched pretty badly.
    Playability Duration: The playability changed more than I had expected, with the biggest issue for me being that the change happened relatively quickly. The playability didn't gradually decline as I would have expected, based on my experience with comparable strings. It seemed like I played well with it one day and then couldn't keep the ball in the court the next day.
    Control: Control was very good, probably its best attribute, but mostly on volleys and shorter groundstrokes. My serve was somewhat erratic, mostly due to the lack of spin I was getting on my slice serve towards the end. Not bad on my flat first serve but I did lose a few MPH's from my normal set up. Control was good through the first 6 hours of play from behind the baseline, but quickly became less so as time went on. It was difficult to get the correct ball trajectory the last time I played with it, requiring me to change my mechanics a bit to keep the ball in play - something I don't like to do.
    Compare to the string you use most often: This was an ok string but was not nearly as aggresive as I would have liked. The spin potential was lacking and power was too low for me - which could have been forgiven if the feel was better, but wasn't as crisp as I like my poly's.
    Tension recommendations: I probably would've gone a little lower in tension, probably more in the 44-46lbs range. I would definitely not recommend this strung any higher than 55lbs, if you prefer the higher tensions.
    Other thoughts: I wanted to hold off on my review until I got every ounce of use from this string. I've had it in my racquet for 3 weeks now with about 21 hours of play. After my test, I'm just not sold on this string. I can't really find any one thing (at the very least) that it does great that would have me recommend this to my clients, as there are comparable, less expensive options available. I had high hopes for this string and really wanted to like it, but it gets a C on my final report card.
     
  10. 133bp004

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    Lux 4G Rough

    Tension for Playtest: 53 lbs

    Regular string: Volkl Cyclone 17

    Racquet: Volkl PB 9

    Power: Below average, this string felt very low powered. I wish I had strung it 5+ pounds lower to get better power.

    Feel/Touch: I actually liked the feel of this string, and felt it was to be a strong point. It provided decent touch and produced a nice solid feel on groundstrokes, yet was not jarring.

    Spin: I was disappointed with the spin I got from this string. I was expecting better bite from a rough string, but this produced far less spin than my usual string.

    Comfort: I had no issues with the comfort level of this string, even though I felt I strung it several pounds too tight. Lower tension would improve an already comfortable poly.

    Durability: Looks to be very good so far, no notching at all. However, I have only played with it a couple times.

    Playability Duration: So far the tension maintenance looks to be very good. There was some initial drop off, but less than I expected. Appears this will be a strong point of the string.

    Control: Control was good, again I think the feel of the string helped here.

    Compare to the string you use most often: I would prefer my ususal string over the 4G Rough in most categories other than tension maintenance.

    Tension recommendations: Of course this varies by individual racquet, but I would start around mid to upper 40's.

    Summary: I thought the 4G rough was a good all around poly, with it's strong points being tension maintenance and durability. I would have preferred more spin and more power potential. The comfort would make it a good string choice for some of the stiffer more powerful rackets. I have played once before with original 4G and felt this version played very similar to the original.
     
  11. tennisnj

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    Tension 50 lbs
    Regular String Don't have one as I'm always trying different strings & set ups with every racquet & string job.
    Racquet Boris Becker V1 OS
    Power Level Even dropping down in tension, it was a little too low for someone who needs a little more power in his game.
    Feel/Touch Didn't notice anything superb or lacking in this department. So I guess average.
    Comfort Having tried probably 100 different strings in my life have I have never had a comfort issue, so this was no different. Low tensions help, as does the fact I use 2 hands on both sides.
    Spin I would've thought with the rougher string I would've had more spin on my shots, but I firmly believe it's just as much technique as it is string, tension, string pattern & racquet.
    Control Being the strongest part of my game, control with any string isn't an issue & it wasn't with this one either. No difference regardless of gauge.
    Playability After about 10 sets of doubles with it, I had no issues with playability. Loosened just a little bit, but not any reason for me to be alarmed yet.
    Tension Recommendation Go low. I always tell people I string for-- start low & work your way up with any string.
    Final Thoughts Good string. (nothing more, nothing less) I'd say 6 out of 10, but I would probably tell people to try the regular 4G 1st. I myself am biased towards more powerful & less control oriented strings, so aside from possibly buying it to experiment with one more time, I wouldn't necessarily go back to it.
     
  12. djNEiGht

    djNEiGht Professional

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    Tension used for playtest

    47# on CP, x1 piece

    Regular string set up

    Cyclone 17g full bed at 48#

    Racquet brand and model used for test

    Boris Becker DC London

    Power of test string

    Low

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?)

    This string called for full confident strokes from the baseline. If you where hesitant on ground strokes, shots usually found itself going long. At the net and half volleys there wasn't as much crispness as Cyclone. It was a bit muted.

    Comfort

    It was fairly comfortable for a poly and I didn't have any arm issues. I've been fortunate enough to not need to play with a TE brace for most of the year.

    Spin potential

    On my regular strokes there was abundant spin just like Cyclone. I found myself able to swing out a bit more which put the ball a bit deeper. Some of those deep shots got the best of the opponent. It looked like the ball was going long but would dive down at their feet. Kick serve was great to hit. Just swing up at the ball and next thing you know the ball was jamming up the receiver. All of that is subjective to me having a good day on the court :)

    Durability
    I have been stringing my own racquets and with poly I don't play till breakage. There doesn't seem to be as much notching as cyclone would for the duration of play. I played about x6 sets of doubles and x2 sets of singles.


    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time)

    I could see myself playing with this about another x6 sets. The strings seem to be snapping back nicely. If this was during the summer, I would prob consider playing it a bit longer.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)

    Control was great. Pretty much a point and shoot string. Topspin strokes this string was great. Flattening it out the shot was also very good. These are full/fast swings. Slices had tons of movement in the air and would bounce low or away from the opponent. Med strokes didn't fair so well. Not a forgiving string if you didn't focus

    Compare to the string you use most often

    Not as crisp and had less feel than Cyclone. Lower powered. Could be good with a powerful multi/gut hybrid.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)

    Probably go down 2#s for more power as well as the colder time of year.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts

    Thank you Luxilon and Tennis Warehouse for another string test. In addition to hitting with Cyclone in another DC London, I was playing with a Prince Graphite OS with Luxilon BBO. That string seemed to play a bit more comfy, more power, and better feel. This is a nice string and feels similar to 4G but with a bit more spin. Stringing it was typical of a rough poly. Had to be careful of kinking and the crosses where a bit "ROUGH".
     
  13. colowhisper

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    Tension used for playtest: 50 pounds on constant pull drop weight machine (stringway).

    Regular string set up: Yonex Poly Tour Pro 125 at 50 pounds

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Yonex Ezone Xi 98

    Power of test string: Very very low power. I had a hard time consistently hitting deep shots from the baseline and my serve was less powerful than normal.

    Feel/Touch: String felt soft right out of the package, throughout the stringing process and hitting and playing. I like dampened feeling strings, but this one felt a little too dead for me in a full bed.

    Comfort: Very comfortable, no wrist, arm or shoulder discomfort (I am sensitive to this).

    Spin potential: Very good, high spin potential but with very little feedback from the string.

    Durability: I have about 8 hours on the string now, doubles and singles. Holding tension well, starting to lose a little bit of spin now but feels like it dies a graceful death (I don’t break poly, always restring about 15-20 hours).

    Playability Duration: Only 8 hours so far but feels consistent in terms of playability. I have adjusted to the lower power / higher control game, feels sort of like playing with a denser string pattern. I like it for doubles especially volleys but tough for baseline bashing.

    Control:: Crazy good control with this string at 50 pounds. I felt like I was playing ping pong because the directional control was so good.

    Compare to the string you use most often: Feels more soft and dead and limp than my usual PTP125, which I consider to be a very well damped string. There is less of a “magical” first couple hours that I get with the Yonex fresh string job, but the 4g rough was more consistent over time.

    Tension recommendations:
    If I were to try this again I would go down to 45# to see if I could get more power from the baseline and on serves but keep the great control.

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  14. Laney Tennis

    Laney Tennis Banned

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    Tension used for playtest - 55 lbs
    Regular string set up - Volkl Cyclone 55 lbs
    Racquet brand and model used for test - Wilson Pro Staff Tour 95

    Power of test string - 4G rough feels medium to low powered. When I use a full stroke, power is more than adequate. Depth of shots were excellent. There were a few shots that jumped on me and sailed to the fence but that's due to the lack of pocketing which i did not factor in. On swings that lack racquet speed, the power is without a doubt low. I had a shot which I hesitated on and did not complete my stroke and it miraculously fell in when both my opponent and I thought were going out for sure.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?) - It feels like a board at the start but once it loosened up, the feel is great! The crisp and responsive feel is confidence inspiring especially on ground strokes. Vollys are great, I did not have any issues with hit. The touch shots do prove a bit more challenging due to the stiffness but the pros out weighs the cons.

    Comfort - I have to say, comfort is not the strength of this string. At 55lbs thinking it should be an easy hit, wrong! My arm was looking at me funny after the first hit session, very stiff indeed. In my opinion, this string is designed for the serious player, people that can strike the ball cleanly will be able to reap the benefits of stiff control string such as this. People with arm issues beware, you need to steer clear of this one. I strongly recommend stringing 3-5lbs less than your usual tension.

    Spin potential - This is not a spin specialty string but nonetheless, spin is excellent. Although pocketing is not the best, I can really feel the strings bite at contact. I also play tested the 4G (none rough) and I can really see a difference in terms of spin potential. The none rough is a bit muted, deadened and softer. The rough version is crisp, stiff, firm and spinny. Trajectory from ground strokes are low and penetrating, not loopy with high launch angle, definitely a must try.

    Durability - Durability is excellent, its is slightly less durable compared to Alu power but a bit better than Alu rough. After the first couple hit sessions I see a bit of notching but nothing to be too concerned about. For durability to be an issue with this string, one must be a really big hitter and a chronic string breaker.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time) - I had the 4G rough strung at 55lbs and it started out really stiff, even on a leaded 62 flex racquet, my arm was getting sore after the session. A few more hits later, the string settled in and it played nicely. Playability did not change much after the initial break in period, it just settles at a certain tension and retains that playability from there. I was really impressed!

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?) - This is where the 4G shines! The crisp and firm feel of this string gives the player a sense of confidence that the string is only going to do what the player's stroke dictates. Nothing more and nothing less. If there is a spot you are trying to hit, and you put in the proper stroke, the ball will get there. 4G rough is on par with Alu power and Alu rough in this category if not better.

    Compare to the string you use most often - My regular string of choice is Volkl Cyclone at 55lbs. 4G at 55 is so stiff it had me saying to myself "are you serious?" Initially I could not understand why would anyone design a string to be so stiff, no feel, no pocketing, great control but hits like a 2x4. After it settles in and loosens up a bit, its true colors starting to shine through. Groundies had a very nice solid feel to it, serves were simply fun to hit, it had a very loud audible crack when struck.

    Now I'm thinking, this is really quite impressive as long as my arm don't fall off.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?) - That's a big YES! This is a very stiff string and I think Luxilon designed it to be that way. I would recommend people to start low with this one, take 3-5 lbs off your normal tension for co-polys and see how it goes. My regular tension using Cylone is 55lbs. If I could do it again, I would string the 4G at 50lbs. Better safe than sorry.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts - I feel that the 4G rough is a really impressive string meant for the serious player. If there are such things as player's racquets, this is definitely a player's string. I haven't come across too many strings worth getting excited about lately but the 4G rough is worth a second look. Those that are looking to try something new, I highly recommend to give this a try but start your tension on the low side.
     
  15. aced_Tezuka

    aced_Tezuka Rookie

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    Tension used for playtest
    I followed the recommended advice and lowered my tension by 10%. Usual tension is 60-62 so I went to 54lb's for this one.

    Regular string set up
    Volkl Cyclone Pink 16G

    Racquet brand and model used for test
    Used a Gamma Rzr 98

    Power of test string
    To be honest the string did not give me much power to work with at this low of a tension. I definitely felt the tension should have been lower after a couple of hours of playing with this string. But, the lower power kept more of my balls in as I had to work and focus a tad harder to hit well.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?)
    The high tension made this string feel a bit tight/dead. Again, a lower tension would have been much better. A couple of hours in after the string set in and the tension dropped a bit it felt much much much better. Felt crisper at the net so the volley's felt good.

    Comfort
    Not the most comfiest string, but that's to be expected from a poly. A bit stiff at this tension so I had to adjust my strokes a bit to hit cleaner. Beneficial in the long run but hurts a bit at first if you mishit. Set the tension lower and wait for the tension to drop. Feels good at that point.

    Spin potential
    Spin is really good with this string. I could definitely feel that "bite" with this string. Instead a loopy spin shot that I sometimes get with regular strings I consistently got low and fast topspin shots in. Very good here. Good blend of spin, but not too much.

    Durability
    Been playing for almost a month and tried to milk all that I could from this string. Started to notch after two weeks and is still playing alright. Probably should have restrung a couple hours back but its not playing as bad as most poly's when they die since this string has stayed at it's set tension as the string advertises.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time)
    The string at first wasn't very fun to hit with. After it settled and got a bit looser after my high tension it played great until it started to stagnate at a lower level. At this point it is alright but not as great midway through the play test, but definitely better that at the beginning.


    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
    This string's control is great later on after it settles. At first balls will be short if strung tight. After it lowered it got a lot better and it was easier to dictate your ball's direction.

    Compare to the string you use most often
    Volkl Cyclone. This string was too tight even at the lower tension I used. I would definitely go into lower 50's and high 40's for this string. Definitely listen to the packaging advice and I would even say go lower than their recommendations.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
    String LOW. Will definitely feel so much better! I wish I did. At a high tension the string feels a bit dead, but as the tension got lower it felt better and hit better.

    List any additional thoughts
    Final thoughts - Great string, even if the higher tension made it feel little bad. Still felt good though. Probably best for more advanced players.
     
  16. Gellin

    Gellin Rookie

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    Tension used for playtest: 58 lbs
    Regular string set up: Isospeed Baseline/Gosen OG Micro Syn Gut Hybrid 55/57
    Racquet brand and model used for test: Wilson 6.1 nCode 95 16x18
    Power of test string: Power is definitely lower than what I am normally used to with a Poly/SynGut hybrid but I was able to easily adjust my strokes to gain the proper depth on my shots.
    Feel/Touch: Felt like what a full poly string job would feel. Not as soft as my normal setup but not uncomfortable.
    Comfort: I used to play with full poly jobs but switched to a hybrid due to elbow issues. However, from the amount of time I've hit with this string I have not experienced any discomfort.
    Spin potential: Spin potential is what I would expect out of a poly. Being a flat hitter I wasn't seeing crazy spin as some of the other people that have more western strokes.
    Durability: After hitting with the string on 3 separate occasions totaling about 10 hours I have not seen any sign of wear or durability issues.
    Playability Duration : No issues with playability duration so far with this string, performs just as good.
    Control: Control is on par with many of the polys that I've hit with. I would rate it slightly above average in the control department.
    Compare to the string you use most often: Compared to the ISOspeed Baseline poly that I normally use I would say it rates above it on comfort and spin but at the same time it is also more expensive.
    Tension recommendations: Probably 52/53 lbs just to help with the power levels when using the string in a full poly job.
     
  17. Nostradamus

    Nostradamus G.O.A.T.

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    I think from my experience so far, if you were a fan of 4G in the past, you will LOVE this one and switch to it. but if you hated 4G, then this string is not for you.
     
  18. Overthenet

    Overthenet New User

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    Luxilon 4G Rough Review

    String: Luxilon 4G Rough

    Tension used for playtest: 52 lbs (full bed)

    Regular string set up: Luxilon ALU Power Rough @ 52 lbs

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Wilson Blade 98 16x19 (2013)

    Power of test string: Lower power string. Have to generate the pace with this string. I would try lower tension next time in an attempt to extract more power from the string. But kept it at 52 for apples-apples comparison to my standard setup with ALU Power Rough.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): After the string had a chance to settle in, it had good feel and touch. The spin and control qualities of this string are suited to slices and volleys, as long as you hit with some bite.

    Comfort: Good. No vibrations. No pain in my arm/shoulder while hitting. However, this string in the Blade 98 is a low power setup, so I did feel some fatigue by end of practice trying to generate enough pace and depth.

    Spin potential: Very good. More spin generated than the original 4G string (as expected), and compares well to ALU Power Rough in this area.

    Durability: Have had 6 hitting sessions so far without breaking (approximately 9 hrs), but decent amount of notching.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): Consistent, high quality performance over the first 3-4 practice sessions, then I noticed some decline.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): One of my favorite aspects of 4G Rough was the control it provided. I would recommend the rough version over the smooth based on the extra bite and precision the rough texture provides. I never felt like the ball was going to fly/sail with this string.

    Compare to the string you use most often: ALU Power Rough is more powerful, but 4G rough had more control and spin. 4G seemed to maintain playability a little longer as well.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): I strung this at 52 lbs (which is my typical tension), but I would recommend going a little lower. I would try 48-49 next time in an attempt to get more power out of the string.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts: Another solid offering string from Luxilon. I could easily use this string instead of my typical ALU Power Rough setup. Good control, spin and length of playability, but definitely a lower power string.
     
  19. travlerajm

    travlerajm Hall of Fame

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    Racquet Used for Playtest: Wilson BLX Blade 98 (Pink), leaded up to 13.6 oz., 12.55” balance, 366 SW.

    String Setup Usually Used: Ashaway Kevlar 18 / Ashaway Mongut ZX 16, both thoroughly pre-stretched, outer mains skipped, @ 66/46 lbs.

    Tension Used for Playtest: Thoroughly prestretched, 57/49, outer mains skipped.

    Playing Level: 4.5-5.0

    Impressions:
    During stringing, I noticed this seems like a much stiffer poly than others I have tried (SPPP, Prince Tournament Poly, Silverstring, RPM Blast, Spiky Shark, etc.). This was noticeably in a stiffer category of material.
    When I pre-stretched it by leaning with my weight on 20-ft segments, the relaxed length grew by 5-6”, a typical amount for a poly. But didn’t seem to budge after that.
    This is the first time I did a string review using my current regular frame – I had my Kevlar/ZX-strung Blade with me for direct comparison, although the Kevlar/ZX had 10-12 hours on it.
    I first took the racquet to the indoor racquetball wall for a tuning session. With a few tweaks of lead tape, I was feeling reasonably comfortable hitting my groundstrokes with the Lux-strung frame.
    The feel at this point seemed similar to my Kevlar/ZX, but spin was slightly less. Also, I could feel the ball slip a little across the strings before the strings grab the ball. This was in contrast to the Kevlar/ZX, which feels like it grabs the strings immediately.

    Next, I took it out to a weekly indoor men’s flight that I was signed up for. I was hoping for singles action, but it ended up being doubles. It was an unbalanced court, with me, another 4.5-5.0, and two 3.5-4.0. But this gave me opportunities to test the Lux 4G stringbed against a variety of situations.
    Against sitters, and soft incoming balls, I was mostly satisfied with the response of the stringbed for doubles. I had nice accuracy on my 2hb return against medium pace topspin slice serves. Volleys were ok, but a little less control than my regular strings, and maybe a little harsher on off-center hits.

    The stringbed was noticeably more disappointing than my Kevlar/ZX stringbed when I tried to return serve against the 4.5-5.0 player. He had an explosive lefty twist serve with extreme rpm. The pace was not big, but the spin level was 5.5-level stuff. Unfortunately, I had trouble keeping the ball from rebounding at an angle high and right of where I aimed on my forehand return. The rebound angle control against this heavy ball was not up to my standards.

    On serve, it seemed like the stringbed was quite underpowered. I thought maybe I was just having one of those low-pop dead-arm days. But that turned out not to be the case – the stringbed was indeed too low-powered.

    At the end of the doubles session, the other 4.5-5.0 invited my to play some singles points, so we played a tiebreak. It was when we were warming up rally balls that I realized how underpowered the stringbed was. For doubles, the low power was fine. But for singles, my groundstrokes didn’t seem to get past the service line without a lot of extra effort. So I ended up switching to my regular stick for the tiebreak. And when I did that, viola, my big heavy spin serve was jumping up again and causing problems for my opponent. The Kevlar/ZX was much more powerful, even though the tension was a little higher than the Lux. When hitting the stringbed, the well-worn Kevlar/ZX bed made a higher-pitched sound than the Lux, for what its worth.

    So… I suppose the effective tension was simply way too high. A thorough pre-stretch at 57/49 (53 avg) is probably equivalent to an un-prestretched bed strung in the 60s. I always pre-stretch all strings these days, as I have found it greatly reduces tension loss. So going without a prestretch is not an option I would ever consider again.

    But even if a lower tension gave me more power, I doubt that I would like this string in a full bed. I like a firm stringbed in order to give me crisp volleys, so full poly strung medium low is not my favorite type of stringbed. Also, the rough texture and stiffness just don’t seem to be good properties for a cross-string. It seemed to impede interstring sliding a little bit, although the tension differential I used ensured that the stringbed was still snapping back. The roughness might also have contributed to the perceived low power level, as it seemed like a lot of energy is lost due to friction when I pull the mains laterally and let them snap back.

    I note that I did not like this Lux string as much for spin as the Wilson Ripspin, the previous poly that I reviewed having strung at similar tension. The smoothness of the ripspin made it work well as a cross to enhance spin. But control on flat shots was a little better than the Ripspin, maybe due to the texture on the mains?

    If I were to try this string again, I would consider trying it only in the mains, and use a smooth but very compliant cross-string such as Monogut ZX. In fact, I was tempted to ignore the “no hybrids” rule for this playtest, but I ended up going with the rules. I think my review would have been more positive had I broken the rules and gone with such a hybrid.

    Descriptors:
    Stiff, harsh, firm, slick-but-textured. High-interstring friction for a poly.

    Power Level: Extremely Low
    Control: Decent
    Spin: so-so – spin level would probably improve with lower tension.
    Comfort: I’m a life-time Kevlar user. Strung at the same tension, this string is harsher on the arm than an “unlocked” Kevlar hybrid. It’s similar in comfort level to a “locked” Kevlar bed.

    I haven’t had time to really test the longevity of this string, as I was out of town for half the month before I got a chance to string up this string last weekend. However, I wouldn’t want to keep playing with this string setup at this tension. I might consider removing the crosses and re-stringing the crosses looser, or maybe swapping in pre-stretched ZX for the crosses. Will report results if I do.
    Thank you TW for the opportunity to review.
     
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2013
  20. zdw33

    zdw33 New User

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    Tension used for playtest: 60lbs all around strung by my local store

    Regular string set up: Recently I have been playing with luxilon big banger original strung at 65 lbs (obviously I like my strings tight)
    Racquet brand and model used for test: Vcore 98D~11.5oz strung

    Power of test string: I felt it had decent power definitely more than the regular 4g

    Feel/Touch: Definitely has a "softer" feel than regular 4G, I felt the tough angles and dropshots were more of a weapon with this string than others I have played with in the past

    Comfort: One of the more comfortable feeling polys that I know of; enough so where I didn’t mind losing my dampener
    Spin potential: Is there such a thing as too much spin because if so this string might qualify I almost struggled keeping the ball over the net

    Durability: I felt it was iffy, I do usually use a 16g this was a 16l and I do also break strings more than your average player and this string seemed close to breaking

    Playability Duration: It was great this first few times out but after a couple of weeks a noticed a slight drop in the play

    Control: Let’s put it this way…if I use this regularly I would become a top player in the world

    Compare to the string you use most often: Big Banger original at 65 lbs. I definitely will be making the switch this string is amongst the best I ever played with

    Tension recommendations: I don’t know how it would react to being set loose but I am willing to say it’ll be worth a shot

    Additional: I am a senior in high school playing nationals and itfs all over would self rate around a 5.0 (a bit modestly maybe) and plan to be playing in college next year.

    Thanks TW for allowing me to be a part of this playtests
     
  21. StringingIrvine

    StringingIrvine Semi-Pro

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    Background: USTA rated 4.5 although I think i'm a 4.0 still.

    Tension used for playtest: 40 lbs

    Regular string set up: MSV Hex 18l (1.10mm) @ 40 lbs

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Youtek IG Prestige MP (see signature)

    Power of test string: 3/10 - The string is one of the lower powered polys on the market. If i'd have to redo the test i'd string it even lower than my normal tension.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): 6/10 - Feel/Touch had to take some adjustment. It was so dead feeling it was hard to judge my drop shots.

    Comfort : 7/10 - This string felt very stiff without that much pop. The ball pocketing was normal from a poly. No arm problems or soreness after playing. Stringing it at 40 did make the stringbed feel very firm although it didn't mess up my arm.

    Spin potential: 7/10 - i didn't notice any more spin compared to my msv hex or big hitter silver. The texture did make the strings play harder compared to regular 4g.

    Durability: - 9/10 - I didn't notice any premature notching.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): Playability didn't change that much as tension maintenance was amazing. The string did end up smoothing out a bit but I didn't notice a drastic drop in spin potential. I measured the dynamic tension after i strung it and 24 hours after and there was a very minimal difference. The strings loss roughly only 5% of its dynamic tension during the resting period.
    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): 9/10. The strings had a very predictable trajectory and super low powered. Volleys were fun using this string as i was easily able to steal pace from the ball and put it where i wanted.

    Compare to the string you use most often: MSV hex is a lot cheaper, had a bit more power, a bit more pop, same linear response, holds tension less.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): I'd string it 3 pounds lower than my regular poly set up.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts: I hate stringing textured strings and this string is no exception. I do not think i'd be recommending this string as a stringer rather i'd just recommend the normal 4g. In theory making a rough version of 4g would be amazing but for me it wasn't better than the regular. I can see this string as someone looking for a super stiff string that holds tension well.

    THANK YOU TENNIS WAREHOUSE!
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2013
  22. Bash and Crash

    Bash and Crash Semi-Pro

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    Player: Strong 4.5, heavy hitter

    String Tested: 4g rough 125

    Tension used for play test: 52 mains same for crosses

    Regular string set up: Alu Rough/Volkl Polyfibre II at 54lbs

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Wilson BLX 95

    Power of test string: Very low powered, Alu more power for sure, also the Yonex Pro Poly I use on occasion has more power.

    Feel/Touch : Average for a crisp poly. Felt like Alu has better feel. These strings are more crisp feeling but just didn't have softer touch feeling for me.

    Comfort: About as comfortable as most poly's. Not a softer poly in my mind.

    Spin potential: Pretty good with the spin, although not more than Alu rough.

    Durability: Good durability, lasted me around 5 days before breaking, 10 hours or so of hitting.

    Control : Very good, since it held tension fairly well and strings are crisp, control was very good.

    Compare to the string you use most often: I prefer the feel of Alu Rough and Yonex Pro Poly to 4G rough. Although they don't hold tension as well, I feel they have more power and touch, with not too much drop off in control.

    Tension recommendations : High 40's to low 50's is about what I would recommend.

    Great to be part of string test, thanks to Tennis Warehouse and Luxilon for providing the string.
     
  23. hrstrat57

    hrstrat57 Hall of Fame

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    Background: Semi western forehand flat or topspin, 2 handed backhand. Primarily serve and volley player but migrating more to the baseline these days.

    Tension: 40LB

    Regular setup: Used either natty gut 57# or intellitour 17 57# nearly 10 yrs recent switch to poly current setup msv focus hex 40# has been amazing

    Frame used: i Radical MP 18x20

    Power of test string: Compared to msv focus hex lower super low powered compared to multi....

    Feel touch: a little stiff I thought compared to the msv but not alarmingly so much of this I am sure attributed to the thicker gauge vs my current 18g.

    Comfort: no issues, played pain free tho hard to find uncomfortable string in a radical mp, on par with the msv focus hex

    Durability: again, hard to notch a poly on a 18x20 radical, no concerns here, I haven't notched or broken the msv focus either...cut it out when dead only

    Duration: I found the tension hold of the focus hex excellent - this is better still pinged close to 40 # after a few hours of hitting...the msv drops to 38 quickly then holds until it goes dead...this was really rock solid in this regard...I have been cutting the msv focus out at about 15 hours of hitting, I am optimistic this will play well longer

    Control/Spin: I get more spin with the msv focus hex but this was good too and very precise....due to the lower perceived power I may have even been swinging harder than with the msv focus hex set up and balls continued to drop in.....this is for me the most important factor in a string and this product delivered.

    Serving volleying: I was able to serve my normal game, kick, slice and flat serves all responded well but my opponent felt pace was down with the 4g vs. the msv focus hex setup....the string played fine in the frontcourt volleys were normal and crisp

    Tension recco: I can't imagine going higher 40 was good call here in the 18x20 if I put it in 18x20 again might try a little lower, waiting for tension drop appears ain't gonna happen here, which is a good thing.

    Thoughts: I am looking forward to hitting this some more it got pretty cold here recently and I didn't get to play it to even close the end of it's life. Initial thoughts are I think for 2x the money I will stay with the 18g setup and will be trying cyclone and a few other shaped polys too. I think the thin gauge elt is the way to go in the mp Head frames and it has really elevated my game. I will hit with it more tho and will update my comments with any additional thoughts.

    This is good string tho.....I will buy another set when it becomes available and give it a spin at about 46# in the Pure Drive Roddick Plus. I think this just might be a winning ticket there.....will keep an eye on this thread for purchase availability....I am going to read through the reviews tomorrow will be very curious to see if anyone tried that set up in a PD or PDR.
     
  24. sck13

    sck13 New User

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    Background- 15 year old tourny player

    Tension-54 LBS

    Stick and normal set up- Aero Pro Drive with luxilon alu power at 54lbs

    Power- 5/10. Not as much as my normal set up. If I re strung it would be 2-3 lbs lower. It was very controlled oriented just like many other polys. It falls in the middle of the luxilon poly.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?)- 7/10. It felt nice but there was a grace period in which my drop shots and slices were all out of wack. Once I was comfortable I really enjoyed using my slice approach shot and drop shot.

    Comfort- 9/10 Felt great. No issues other then breaking it in. (It was a little stiff)

    Spin Potential- 8/10. Spin was definetely there. More so then regular 4g. Slices were very good as well as topspin shots.

    Durability- 7/10 I broke it within 7 hours of intense singles.

    control- 10/10 The ball was always landed were I expected it too. Everything about this string was predictable. It also had very good tension maintenance.

    Compared to other strings- It is most like luxilon 4g and alu power. To me it seems that Luxilon combined these two strings in order to create a string that holds very good tension maintenance but also has good spin.

    Tension- High 40's to low 50's was the perfect combo of power and control.

    Thanks TW for this awesome playtest.
     
  25. BounceHitBounceHit

    BounceHitBounceHit Legend

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    Tension used for playtest: 63 pounds, strung with one piece method.
    Regular string set up: Luxilon BB Ace 18 @ 63 pounds
    Racquet brand and model used for test: Wilson AK90 customized to 343 grams/32.5 cm/335 SW.
    Power of test string: Low
    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): I love the feel of poly in general, and this is an especially good example of the breed.
    I FOUND THE STRING EQUALLY RESPONSIVE FROM ALL PARTS OF THE COURT, BE IT FOR GROUND STROKES, VOLLEYS, OVERHEADS, OR SERVES.
    Comfort: Obviously, I prefer a stiff string bed. Within that context, I found 4G to be incredibly comfortable, far more so than my long time favorite BB Ace.
    Spin potential: Equal to my beloved BB Ace 18!!! (Which is remarkable, given it is an 18 gauge string and the test string a 16 L)
    Durability: Excellent. In fact 4g Rough lasted an uncanny 10 hours for me (Ace goes in 7 max)
    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): Again, outstanding. The 4g held tension very well, and played responsively until breaking.
    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): Amongst the best of any string I've ever played in 37 years of tennis experience.
    Compare to the string you use most often: The 4g offers the feel, comfort, and playability of my beloved BB Ace with better tension maintenance and durability. I am switching!!
    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): I loved it at 63# , BUT I prefer a very stiff string bed.
    (Optional): As always, thank you TW for these enjoyable opportunities to meet the new comers in the tennis world!!

    BHBH
     
  26. Rjtennis

    Rjtennis Hall of Fame

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    Tension used for playtest: 48 lbs

    Regular string set up: VS Mains and Pro-Line II Crosses

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Head Extreme Pro

    Power of test string: Power is my biggest gripe with this string. I needed to be leaning on the ball to get the power that I am used to. I use a semi-western grip and use a fair amount of top spin and I felt like I had to go pretty flat if I was trying to hit an aggressive shot from the back of the court. I even strung the 4G Rough several pounds lower than I typically do a full poly string job and it still felt low powered.

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): The string bed felt pretty stiff but not uncomfortable. I enjoyed the stiff feeling of the string bed.

    Comfort: I thought the string felt pretty comfortable for a full poly string job. To me it felt a little bit softer than the smooth 4G.

    Spin potential: Spin potential is not out of this world like some of the spin oriented strings, but it is better than the original 4G and is still very spin friendly.

    Durability: Played for 8 hours and noticed minimal notching. I'm sure this sting is very durable like the original. I string the original 4G for chronic string breakers and it works very well.

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time):The tension dropped slightly after an hour or so of play, but then remained stable for the rest of the playtest. This string does a great job at tension maintenance. I feel that it retains tension/playability better than any other poly out there. I highly recommend this string to players who are sensitive to tension loss and want to keep a poly in their frame for over 18 hours of play.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): I felt like the 4G Rough had a higher launch angle than the original 4G which was very welcomed! The string also performed very well on my serve. I felt that I could hit my spots more accurately. Control was great from the baseline, but came at the expense of power.

    Compare to the string you use most often: Spin potential is similar to Pro-Line II, but the power level of 4G is substantially lower. I am excited to try 4G Rough with natural gut as that should add the additional pop I am looking for.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): I don't have any good ideas on tension for 4G other than I would not go over 52 lbs if you are a player who uses a lot of spin and has a high net clearance.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts: 4G Rough in a full bed is not for me, but it could be nice for me with gut mains. I do string for some individuals who use 4G and I will definitely recommend that they try the rough version as I think they will like it even more than the original.
     
  27. SteveI

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    BHBH,

    You strung this at 63 #s in 90 sq inch frame? You have the arm of steel.. :)
     
  28. SteveI

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    $22.00 a set for 4G Rough???

    wow....Not sure this string is that good???

    $22.00 a set??
     
  29. ricki

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    its around 30$ here :-( total crazy price for string that doesnt really shine
     
  30. SteveI

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    The funny thing is most folks are playing the 4G (non-rough) as a cross with natty gut in the mains. That is one high end set-up. On the other side of the coin is that if you are not a string breaker, this set-up is a great price performer. I can see high hitting players (DIV I and up) using the 4G rough in the mains and something softer in the crosses to get a bit more power. The only downside to that is getting a cross that would hold up to the sawing motion of the 4G rough. The 4G Rough in a full bed would have to used by a major ball striker.
     
  31. SteveI

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    RJ,

    The lack of power can be a major downside. You will see balls that you think have struck very well, keep coming back. The string has outstanding control holds tension like no other poly. Is does break in nice and the feel and power (somewhat) increases. Nice write up. Most folks agree, lower power, nice control.. holds tension great and plays great for a long time.
     
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    After having play over 20 hours, I don't feel the set up as awesome as before, but it was still playable... Then I took it to my 4.0 league match last night, it was just horrible, the ball was flying all over the places. It felt that the string bed was unevenly strung, and I got no feel, no control.

    The string that I remember of this kind of sudden death would M2 pro. Everything is OK, then the next day you play it, it becomes horrible experience.

    I have not seen anyone reports the string behaving like this, it could be just me, but I do want to report it since I had to change the racquet when I lost the first set and down 0:3 in the second. Eventually, I lost the match with super tie break...
     
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    at $22 a pack, will it turn me into Rafael Nadal overnight?
     
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    $22 a pack is an insult to the tennis community. The regular 4g is $17. This crimped version is $22. Are you joking Luxilon? Or Wilson. I dont know who to blame here? Doesnt make sense. The regular Alu and its crimped brother Alu Rough are the same price. So dont tell me it costs more to do or some nonsense like that. This is just a slap in the face as far as im concerned. Another example of lets charge as much as we think we can get away with. Shame on you.
     
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    I thought ALU Power Rough costs more. But the difference isn't as much as 4G and 4G Rough.
     
  36. SteveI

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    Here at TW... ALU Power and Rough are the same.

    The 4G/4G Rough price difference makes no sense.

    The 4G product to me has a very limited market and most folks are playing the 4G as a cross with Natty Gut. All I can say is it better be worth it to your game to pay that much for a set-up.

    To each their own.. :)
     
  37. Imago

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    Then $31 for a regular 4G would qualify for armed robbery.
     
  38. Nostradamus

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    I am hoping they would make a lighter version of 4G rough. it was too heavy for me. must the chemical compound they use to make this string, most likely due to Heavier Molecular weight.
     
  39. SteveI

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    Say.. what??????????????????????????????????????????????
     
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    Hi Nostradumas! I think you may be a little off on this one. It cant be the weight. Just the feel on contact that makes it seem heavier?
     
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    That would qualify for being banned from any sales relating to tennis products. Why, who charges 31?
     
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    Technically, elemental gold does not have a molar mass, because it does not form molecules.

    That should allow one to swing faster because it really isn't there...
     
  43. Nostradamus

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    Has anyone bothered to weigh this string ? 4G rough. I can feel a difference of 0.1 oz. and this string feels Heavy as heck.
     
  44. BLX_Andy

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    Oh wow my bad :oops:

    4G can also apply to those who don't really have the time/money to change strings often.
     
  45. BounceHitBounceHit

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    It works for me, but as a physician I would NOT recommend it!!! :) Best, BHBH
     
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    any idea of when this will hit the shelves tw? I think I would like to give it another go again when it comes out.
     
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    First, let me apologize to the community for the tardiness of my review: I developed golfer’s elbow the day before my string arrived which necessitated my taking a few weeks off to heal.

    String: Luxilon 4g Rough 1.25

    Tension used for playtest: 45 pounds (mains and crosses) strung on a Gamma 6004 with a Wise 2086 tension head (constant pull); installed via one-piece, around-the-world pattern.

    Regular string set up: Shaped Poly Mains (Tier 1 Firewire 1.20 or Snakebite 1.25) crossed with Gosen OG Micro 1.22 (53/57#)

    Racquet brand and model used for test: Bosworth Tour 96 leaded at 3 & 9 o’clock, static weight 358 grams.

    Power of test string: Average power for a poly. This was the first time I’d used a full bed of poly strung this low. (3 of 5)

    Feel/Touch (responsive on slower strokes? too dead/stiff?): Decent feel for a poly, but nothing like a multi or gut. Volleys were accurate and crisp. I’d like to try a 1.20 version of this string to enhance feel and touch, and put more nasty on my drop volleys. I like the feel & touch of my normal setup better but, because it’s a hybrid, it’s not an apples-to-apples comparison. (3 of 5)

    Comfort: Good. I just took six weeks off (golfer’s elbow) which is my first-ever arm injury. Normally, I wouldn’t have hit with a poly so soon, but I wanted to honor my commitment to Tennis Warehouse to playtest the string. I’m happy to report that this string didn’t aggravate my arm at all! (3.5 of 5, which is pretty good for a poly)

    Spin potential: Excellent. In the Luxilon family, I have used Alu Power Rough, Ace, and M2. 4g Rough is my favorite of the bunch when it comes to effortless spin production. (4.5 of 5)

    Durability: After two hitting sessions (singles and doubles), I notice no movement, notching, or loss of control. (N/A)

    Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time): I fully expect to get another four outings (six total) with this string before I consider cutting them out. I never play poly until it breaks and now, having recently suffered elbow pain for the first time, from now on I will likely cut my polys in about half the time as I previously did.

    Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?): Very good. My first five minutes warming up I was hitting longer than I usually do, but that could have been due to the fact that I hadn’t hit in six weeks and I was worried about how my elbow would respond to a full poly setup. Once I relaxed and saw that I was pain free, I whipped through the ball naturally. I was able to place my serves and groundies wherever I wanted without even thinking about it. (4/5)

    Compare to the string you use most often: I think this string is a very nice textured co-poly; better than Snakebite.

    Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?): I thought this string responded well at 45 pounds. I might consider trying it at 47-48 pounds in the future when I’m back to playing four days a week and know that my arm can handle it. I see no reason to ever string a full bed of poly above 50#.

    (Optional) List any additional thoughts: I would like to try this string crossed with a synthetic gut so soften it up a little and make an apples-to-apples comparison to my normal setup. Only then would I be able to determine if it’s worth the higher price.

    About me: Early 40’s. Solid 4.5 player with some 5.0 weapons (serve, forehand, & consistency) and an aggressive game who enjoys both singles and doubles. One-handed back hand.

    Thank you Tennis-Warehouse and Luxilon for having me in the playtest.
     
  48. SteveI

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    Already being sold at TW...
     
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    Is it only in 16L? Would like to see more gauges come out...
     
  50. kingcheetah

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    I'm imagining the look of confusion/amazement on anyone's face that has felt the Blade 98 pink at your specs!

    $31 for regular 4g!? That's a straight-up tomb raid.
     

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