*** New Stringway Cross Stringing Tool***

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  1. 1012007

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    Hello,
    I have just been informed that Stringway are introducing a new tool that will make stringing crosses a lot lot easier. I havn't actually used the tool yet, but have seen a video and I reckon it will totally change the way rackets are strung. From the video, it looks very easy to do the crosses which are very time consuming compared with the mains. It eliminates the chances of misweaves and you can pull the string through very quickly because there is no friction between the mains and crosses. There are 2 tools available which work exactly the same. The HD tool is for rackets with a high density stringing pattern and the LD is used for Low Density stringing patterns. Its also possible to do the first cross, because there is a long and a shorter side. If the 1st cross goes over and under 14 mains you use the long side of the tool, if the cross goes over and under 12 mains, you can use the short side.

    Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjTYW3947JM



    What do you guys think of it?
     
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  2. Il Mostro

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    Actually, a very simple design and functionality. What about effecting tension on the mains with all of the repeated pushing? I do not know if it was the demo, but the stringer seemed slower than molasses. Stringing for the mentally challenged?
     
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    I doubt it would reduce the tension on the mains as they have already been tensioned, clamped and tied off (if doing 2piece)
     
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    Wow, looks like it could help me a lot with the poly string job. I wonder how much they are going to be.
     
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  5. ls206

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    I doubt I'd ever get that...will probably be more than it should because it's the the only one.
    Not a bad idea though.

    In the video...the person was wearing a giant red balloon?
     
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    Im sure they would make more than 1:) I think they are planning to release them for sale
     
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    I'm certain that I can still weave faster than the fastest of the users of this device. ;) Any takers?
     
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    Wow, quite revolutionary! The people of Str!ingway have a taste for good music too =).
     
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    Yeah, I think it was a bit slow too. Although, with a stiff string like a poly, and a bit of practice I think you could probably increase your speed with such a tool. I'll wait for pricing and a good review or two before I decide for or against.
     
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    I got to use this device at the GSS Symposium last month, and it's kind of neat: it does remove the friction from pulling the crosses through, but you can't apply tension to the string with the tool in place, so you're not losing the majority of the frictional losses from crosss string installation. I wish the folks at Stringway would modify it so you could apply tension with it in place: there is a tool out there that will allow it.
    I agree with YU: after using it, I don't think it will add any speed to my job, and the saving in frictional losses is going to be pretty small.
     
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    looks like a good stringer would smoke it, but for most people this would be nice, i just dont see it being something i would use when i have 6 sticks to do
     
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    What about the friction when pulling the string through?
     
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  13. Gottabekin

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    The tool pushes the mains apart so there's no friction between the strings.
     
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    slow but it could be faster
    it does look cool
     
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    I see it as something I might use if I was watching TV. :) That way I don't have to pay to much attention to weaving.
     
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    Might be a helpful tool for some. I've seen a wooden one posted on youtube a couple of years ago.

    Not something an experienced stringer would ever use. After about 2 or 3 crosses and stringing one ahead, I feel like I can weave almost blindfolded. I know I can weave faster than what it would take to move and click that tool.
     
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  17. Ronaldo

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    Didn't Babolat have a similar tool that only worked with their racquets?
     
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    Yes, Babolat's was called the P.A.S.S. I don't remember what the letters stood for. Seemed like a good idea, but kinda clumsy to use.

    -T.J.
     
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  19. T.J. Planas

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    I remember it now......Pilot Assisted Stringing System, or something like that.

    -T.J.
     
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  20. pmata814

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    to me it seems like it's more of a hassle than just weaving the crosses.
     
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    Looks like something you'd see on TV if there were infomercials for stringers :)
     
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    I wouldn't waste my time and money with it. I am wondering why they started in the middle ofthe racket. Seems like it would take some time to set up and take out. And I am not sure you are going to be able to use it at all when you are near the end of the crosses.

    If you can't pull tension with the tool in place that means you have to go back and pull all the cross through again and will have less space to move the crosses so they do not burn the mains. Poor idea in my opinion.

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    haha, no I meant they're the only company with one. :p

    oo, btw, any update on the MxTch?
     
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  24. 1012007

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    The lady who is using the tool isnt a stringer herself. She is just demostrating the tool. Also, apparently there was a Wimledon stringer at the GSS and they said it was faster than weaving.

    You are able to tension the string while its in the tool. However as there is no friction with the mains, you have to adjust the tension and drop it down by around 8 lbs
     
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    Here is some more info I have received:



    About the speed:

    Stringway want to show stringers how much time one can save with the tool and so they did a test. They measured the time needed to put 6 cross strings in and to pull through 4 meters of string. It took 94 seconds, which is an average of 15.6 seconds per string. This is without pulling tension.



    I would like to summarize the advantages of using the tool:
    * Weaving goes quicker and the speed is the same for nylon, gut and poly strings.

    * Weaving high density patterns goes as quick as weaving low density patterns.

    * Pulling the string through is quicker, without friction.

    * Minimum chance of misweaves.

    * No danger of “burning” the string.

    * The level of concentration can be lower, it is easier to string more racquets without interruption.

    * The cross strings can be tensioned through the tool without friction. But in that case the tension on the crosses must be dropped considerably depending on the pitch of the string and the roughness of the string.


    I am interested to hear what price would be reasonable in your opinion for one tool (HD or LD, which i talked about in the 1st post) and for the 2?
     
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  26. Mansewerz

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    Honestly, it seems like more of a hassle. I enjoy crosses (well, at least on syn guts, i hardly do poly as of right now, only ever done it twice, and one of the two times was just for mains). It takes the fun out of the crosses. Plus, I could probably do weaves faster than that without the tool.

    Also, stringway is a little weird. WTF is the lady wearing?
     
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    LOL dont ask what the lady is wearing... but i believe she isnt a stringer herself, shes just showing how the tool works, so im sure all of us could do it quicker than that. As my post above says, 6 crosses in 94 seconds is pretty good:)
     
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    Why would someone tension with the tool in place and then guess what to lower the tension at to compensate for friction? 8 lbs. for evey racquet and every type of string sounds very bogus to me .It also seems like there is insufficient space to keep the tool in place and the machine clamp as well.
    Seems more of a gimmick. I bet the slam stringers will not use it for the opens.
     
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    I was curious so I just strung a racket and ran the first six crosses without pulling tension on them I had two blocked holes and one of those Wilson rackets with the power holes so it slowed me down a little bit. I took me 83 seconds to run those six crosses without pulling tension. Then it took me another two minutes 43 seconds to pull tension on those six crosses.

    The tool may prevent you from burning the mains when you pull the string through but not after you release the tool. I found it more difficult to pull the strings through because of all the slack and extra care I had to use to prevent burning.

    If you want one though by all means buy it.

    Irvin
     
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    adressing the two bold points:
    1)wisweavs are beyond rare, with this if you become to relaxed you will either avoid misweavs or have a hideous misweave
    2)i dont know about you, but stringing is almost subconscious for me, any less concentration and id be asleep

    just how i see it, i think that there is a large group who would benefit greatly from this, and that is those who string for themselves and a few friends or under 50rackets a year, people doing 100-500 would probably find this detrimental
     
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    Just practice people. You seriously will be faster and you'll think it silly that you ever wanted to use any sort of tool to weave.
     
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  32. diredesire

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    Sure it would, if only slightly. If you tie a string in place and yank it out a foot, does your answer change? (sure, string is resilient, but it can still stretch.)

    As far as this tool, it could be nice, but it is still a little rough in implementation, IMHO. I think it could be done better... I might try a prototype just for fun :D
     
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    :D One thing that I DO like about this little device is that it's basically the same idea I had for weaving in an auto-robotic stringing machine. Remember that? This little device pretty much puts the nay-sayers to rest. :D
     
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    Right you are YUL, I definitely think that it is possible with current technology to automate stringing, but it's not worth the investment to make the system robust ;)

    I am really liking the idea behind this device, though.
     
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    I would also caution that it doesn't look like it will fit in to do the first two and the last two crosses.
     
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    Which is why they didn't show them doing those crosses. ;)

    Imagine how much trouble you'll have with those crosses once you get used to this contraption and not ACTUAL WEAVING.
     
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    101207: I was at the GSS Symposium and tried the tool. I was told by the man from Stringway that you CANNOT tension the string in it; I think maybe the "Wimbledon stringer" is wrong in this respect, or the man who invented the tool is incorrect. Unless one of them is on this board and can comment, you'll just have to take your pick.
    Mansewerz: I don't think the use of this tool has anything to do with whether or not you "enjoy crosses". It's about increasing the speed you can install them and/or reducing frictional losses. I think that, if you can't tension the string inside the unit, fricitonal loss savings will be minimal or nonexistent: "fanning" the cross while pulling it through should take care of most, if not all, frictional losses not caused by tensioning.
     
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    I have contacted SW more about this tool. I asked a few questions and ill answer them here.

    First of all, you can tension the string while its placed in the tool.
    Also, if the tool doesnt fit into the first 1 or 2 crosses, you can just put the tool in the middle of the racket and "weave" like you would do normally. Then just put the string back into the correct grommet. However the tool probably wouldn't fit into the last 2 or 3 crosses
     
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    So the crosses are started at the middle and strung 50/50?
     
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    No, the tool is too big to be put where the first and second crosses are. Despite this, you can still "weave" the first 2 crosses if you place the tool in the middle of the string bed, put the string through, then put the string in the correct grommet
     
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    Just an update to this thread. I just saw on alpha's site: http://www.stringway-nl.com/USA/index.html , that the cross stringer is "coming soon"

    Im not sure how long it has been up there for, but it cant be that long before it is released.

    Has anyone's opinion on the tool changed since the last few posts?
     
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    Not mine. :D ;)
     
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    I have strung my first racquet since this was last talked about and I can see the use of this tool to beginners because I weave crosses ssslllooowww but I can see myself getting faster so I wont consider this tool because based on all their other prices I would be surprised if it cost under $50.
     
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    LOL, well looking at your videos, i can definitely see why:) It does seem like a good idea though, especially to people like myself, who arent quite as experienced as you:)
     
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  45. LSStringing

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    I've gotten a change to use this tool and it does significantly cut down on stringing time when using gut or poly. And when using gut, it is impossible to marr the string at all by friction during installation. The gut looks like its never been touched even after its installed because it was woven with no friction.
     
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  46. !Tym

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    That alone makes it worth it. About how much does Stringway plan to sell it? I can't honestly see myself using something like that except for very fragile strings that are particularly prone to fraying, unraveling, or burning. Other than that, to be honest, weaving is actually pretty darn easy and second nature for a long-time stringer. Not worth the trouble, and it's actually gonna ADD time in my opinion.
     
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    LSStringing have you actually used the tool properly or just for the odd racket? How long does it take you, to do a cross with the tool compared with your normal weaving speed?
     
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    I can see these helping w/ polys, especially on dense patterns.
     
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    I may pick one up, as full poly in the AG200 18x20 can get kind of frustrating sometimes. I understand its no substitute for learning how to weave fast, but if you can integrate it seamlessly into your stringing ritual, it could probably cut down a lot of time. Just like you go through your clamping motion, you could go through the motion of setting the tool really quickly.
     
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  50. LSStringing

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    Yes, I've used it properly. I didn't use it long enough to become completely comfortable with how to move it efficiently, but got a good sense in how fast someone could use it. With a basic synthetic gut, I wouldn't use it, as I could probably string faster on my own. But with a thick poly in a dense pattern, it might be beneficial to use the tool. Especially on guts though, any level of stringer would benefit because it installs the string in perfect condition, a task that would take much longer to do by hand. And a stringer that might struggle with misweaves or can't string a frame in under 25-30 minutes would benefit from it because it takes all the hard work out of weaving crosses. Hope this information helps.
     
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