New Tattoo and Tennis

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  1. dParis

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    A sensible observation compatible with recorded human history.

    I may have assumed the obvious, but there happens to be a tattoo discussion taking place here.

    To put it another way; if you saw someone walk into a room with a goat horn glued to their forehead, wouldn't you be a bit curious about their motivations?

    Just curious - did you visit an on-line rock climbing forum to ask for some non-judgmental advice on how to maintain your new ink?

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    Yes, the tattoo fad...the fad that has existed literally thousands of years, in different cultures and places across the world.

    I will personally never get a tattoo, but that doesn't mean I don't respect the art of them and meaning they can have. I will say though that getting tattoos in places that are visible more often than not (forearms, wrist, neck) is just not very prudent. Should people make judgements about your character just from that? Probably not. But why give them the opportunity. If your response to this is "But I want to be able to show off my tattoo and no one will be able to see it otherwise" then you're getting a tattoo for the wrong reasons.

    Just my .02 cents.
     
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    It is way too manly for you. You can't pull it off. :)
     
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    When you feel inadequate
    You watch too much cable TV
    When you watch too much cable TV
    You feel the need to gain attention
    When you feel the need to gain attention
    You get a tattoo
    When you get a tattoo
    You contract hepatitis
    When you contract hepatitis
    You turn yellow and require a liver transplant
    Don't turn yellow and require a liver transplant
    Get Direct TV :)
     
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  5. CaldwellYSR

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    I can agree with that. I have thought of other places to put it. Just none really feel right to me. The forearm does. Maybe just because I'm vain and I want to be able to see it while I'm writing code ;) who knows. I just know its the only place I've come up with that feels right to me.
     
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  6. dParis

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    Dd, I think you are inadvertently putting words in my mouth. I never said people with visible ink are immediately interested to talk about their tattoos. I simply observed that many are willing and eager to talk about their tattoos with others who have visible tattoos or others that appear impressed or show an admiring interest.

    "It makes me happy"/"It makes you look like an idiot" are two sides of the same coin as far as brief statements are concerned. They are both dead-end statements and neither brings much insight to the discussion.

    Does "It makes you look bad" sound better than "It makes you look like an idiot"? My mind's eye saw idiots I know with tattoos when I typed that. Perhaps it was too strong. A few years ago I was having a similar discussion with my friend of many years who revealed to me, after I had spent five minutes railing against "idiots who get tattoos", that he had the Chinese character for prosperity, or harmony, or some other b.s. tattooed on his upper back. He's not Chinese. He doesn't speak Chinese. He never expressed interest in Chinese culture. He's of German/English ancestry. He couldn't be any WASP-ier. I asked him why he did that. "I just thought, you know...", a slight shrug and stammering something. Didn't matter. I think I know why he got it. Do I care for him less now? Of course not.

    Regarding the brevity of life and the time consumed "concerning" ourselves with someone else's tattoos, I don't look at it from that perspective. It's simply just another judgement made, lumped in with the other judgments I, and everyone else, make several times a day, every day. I think I already expressed that I reserve deeper judgments with different criteria.

    I think your example of tattoos as cover for physical scarring, is an extreme minority situation. Besides, I rarely, rarely ask anyone about their specific tattoos. Without the prospect of gaining some cultural or meaningful personal insight, I really don't want to hear some one's personal, boring explanation.

    Agreed - but there is currency in adjusting to society. It depends on what one is looking for from an individual. You are right. There is great range within the idea. Probably too great to get into here.

    And this is my motivation for carrying on the discussion with you. I have enjoyed it. It's not about proving to myself that I'm "right".
     
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  7. Fifth Set

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    Most epic thread in a while.

    Most of the tattoos out there - not so epic.

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  8. diredesire

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    Are you studying/a grad of CS? If so, a tattoo won't really hinder you in industry ;)

    Hey, not my intention to put words in anyone's mouth :)
    I may have overstated it, but I was alluding to your observation there. I think it's human nature to be excited to talk about things you're excited about, so no surprise there.

    While "it makes me happy" might be a dead end statement, I don't see it as the opposite end of the spectrum by any means. One is a very aggressively negative statement, the other says a lot without saying too much. Of course, a discussion could stem from this statement, but not usually from "It makes you look like an idiot."

    As far as insight, I think it's actually very insightful (albeit deceptively simple) to someone who is already disproving (and whose mind can't be changed). IMO, I see a lot more people who are looking to pick a verbal/intellectual fight rather than people who are interested and 100% supportive. Even people who can hold a cordial conversation may have negative bias, and I would prefer not to offer any reason to give someone any reason to feel any more holier than thou than is necessary. I'm sure I'm in the minority, though. I see similarities to a parent of a "problem child." Maybe they understand their child more so than a teacher would. While a teacher sees someone who is bad to their roots, and only serving to disrupt and cause trouble, a parent may understand the underlying problem (maybe not enough parental support/involvement, etc). Maybe a terrible example, hopefully you can see where I'm going with that.

    "It makes you look bad" is better, sure, but to me, it really depends on how it's said, and who says it. If it's someone who is close to me who I know to only have my "best interest" at heart, I'd take the opinion into consideration, but in most cases, I'd end up acknowledging a difference of opinion.

    Chinese characters... ah, how cliche. However, did you ever consider that in his mind/"heart" that it does carry some deep symbolic meaning of SOMETHING that can't really be easily put into words? Maybe it really was a stupid decision, but maybe it's just not easy to articulate. What if it does act as a day-to-day reminder to keep an even keel, and improves the quality of his life? Even if it's silly on the outside, it might be enough of an impact to make a small, but meaningful difference in someone's life. Now, this isn't to say that people who are too young, too drunk, too "in love" or too naive don't get tattoos as a spur of the moment, ill-thought out plan. That's often the case, but just because it was a "mistake" doesn't mean it has to be a negative impact on someone else's life, IMHO.

    I guess I just like to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe it's a character flaw of mine.

    Yes, I acknowledge and respect that you make deeper judgments with different criteria. The only issue I have with the quick judgments is the opportunities that may be lost by it. You might not have any personal problems that interfere with your approach towards others, but I'd say it's pretty evident that people often do. Heck, even I have negative bias towards certain tattoos, even though I support the idea. How much this interferes with interpersonal relationships is pretty minimal, though.

    The scarring example is definitely an extreme example, but that's what I'm trying to illustrate. I understand your conversations are to gain insight, but I guess I just see too many instances where these conversations really go nowhere. Your lack of interest in someone's "personal, boring explanation" is really exactly what I'm talking about. If you're incapable or unwilling of understanding something from the perspective of the wearer, then :confused:. I think we've reached this point where we're speaking really abstractly, and I don't want to come across as a jerk, so to err on the safe side, I just come back to the conclusion that it's easiest to say that "it makes me happy" is really [in the bigger picture] a sufficient explanation, unless the discussion really becomes an interesting one (it doesn't have to be a closed door in the face of an inquirer). After all, aren't most of the interesting discussions you have a long winded version of the same?

    Agree, adjusting to society has obvious benefits. We were just looking at it from a different perspective, I think I had a good idea of what you meant.

    Agreed with your final statement, I don't feel any need to change your mind. On the spectrum of opinions, I'd say we're pretty close, I appear to lean more to one side, and you the other : ) In any event, we may have actually exhausted most of the topics, surprisingly...
     
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  9. WildVolley

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    Um, no. You must be very young. Perhaps "fad" isn't the correct word. That's yet to be seen. But around the turn of the century, there was a massive increase in the number of people getting tattoos in the United States. Also, tattoos which were originally associated with the lower-working classes became de rigueur among "hip" college students.

    Study the statistics and you'll see something has drastically changed to increase the popularity of tattoos. If the numbers stay very high - say 1/3 of the population - in the next couple of decades, then my fad statement will seem weak.

    I think some of the criticism of tattoos is precisely due to the seeming "fad" nature of the explosion of tattooed people. Something actually changed in the culture and all of a sudden a lot of people started getting tattoos. Imagine if the same increase had happened in tennis players. The tennis industry would be loving it.:)
     
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  10. CaldwellYSR

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    Yeah I'm graduating with a CS major next year. Wanting to become a software engineer.
     
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  11. diredesire

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    Yeah, for most positions in the software industry, most tattoos will be a non-issue. Obviously neck/face/hand tattoos are more problematic than most others. Some artists won't even consider neck/face/hand at all, or unless you've already had work done there.

    I'm an electrical engineer, and I think even in my industry it's pretty laid back compared to others, where image may play a bigger role (sales/business/general office day job). CS/Engineering is pretty laid back in the big companies (Google/Facebook/Amazon/IBM/Intel/etc - can you tell I'm a west coaster?)
     
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  12. CaldwellYSR

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    Haha I want to get out to the west coast, or maybe New York. That's where all the big names are. Also I figure a code tattoo wouldn't really hurt too bad with a software company ;) although in the Steve Jobs era a Java tattoo might have hurt me.

    Which is really funny considering Android apps are built with Java and XML :p
     
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  13. CaldwellYSR

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    So I said I'd post an update after my consultation. She seemed to echo most of the constructive responses here. She says obviously the best thing would be to take a couple weeks off and let it heal but if I absolutely had to play I should be sure to wear long sleeves to keep it protected from the sun and if I sweat on it I need to pat the area dry not wipe. Other than that it's a bit of a non-issue.
     
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  14. Wuppy

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    Well I wouldn't hire a lawyer or doctor with a tat, but YMMV
     
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  15. jdubbs

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    Lets be real, you are posting this on a tennis forum. A golf forum would be similar in their disdain for tats, as its an older, conservative, establishment type crowd.
    Post this on a surfing or snowboarding forum and the answers would be far different, and more accepting.
     
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  16. TahoeTennis

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    Here are some new Tat sun/care tips:

    http://hp702103.hubpages.com/hub/Tattoo-AfterCare-Sun-Exposure

    But a few questions for the OP:

    1. How old are you?
    2. Jobs/Careers come and go, so if you end up doing something else besides writing code, would you still be happy about getting your tat permanently inked on your body?
     
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  17. dParis

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    You should get a tattoo of a big, shiny 747 flying over the Luxor Hotel in Vegas. That would be bad ass. :)
     
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  18. CaldwellYSR

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    Thanks for the link I'll take a look when I can.

    1) I'm 21
    2) Yes I think so. Even if my career moves somewhere else this is something I feel I'll be doing for a while. iPhone apps. Web design. Something with cose
     
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  19. max

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    Just curious. Is "accepting" always, always?, a good thing?
     
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  20. CaldwellYSR

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    I understand that... I wasn't looking for acceptance though... I was looking for advice. You don't have to agree with my desire to get a tattoo. It can go completely against everything you hold dear to your heart and that doesn't effect me at all. I was just trying to get advice from people that do have tattoos because I assumed there would be some.
     
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  21. Wuppy

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    yeah not so much
     
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  22. Gorecki

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    Caldwell... I work at a top category in a top Business software company in my country (we produce erp's), and i can assure that, while not talking fo the american market (if you are located there), in my company, Tat's are strictly a no-show feature. any visible tat is not accepted in the service in top management and positions that you interact with clients.
     
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  23. CaldwellYSR

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    How often do you wear t-shirts in a management position or when working with clients? I would assume you'd wear more formal attire that would keep most of your body covered right?
     
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  24. Gorecki

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    i see your point, however, even our programmers use shirts and ties in the office! just do your thing knowing that you can have implications. my 2 cents fwiw...
     
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    Yeah I figure as long as I can keep it covered reasonably easily it shouldn't be a problem :) Thanks for giving me some input from the software industry. Nice to know.
     
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    you are welcome.
     
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    What would be funny is that you don't become a software engineer. Would a Navy SEAL get a trident tattoo before he became a SEAL?
     
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    That's a bit different. Even if I never get hired as a software engineer... I'm already a code monkey. iOS apps, android apps, mac apps, web design. It's not like I'm getting a tattoo that says "Google Software Devloper" just because I want to work there :p

    I get your point but the tattoo is different than you're assuming :)
     
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  29. Cindysphinx

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    Best reason not to get a tattoo:

    They are tired. Passe. Done to death. Not original. Yesterday's news. Yawn, yawn, yawn.
     
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  30. dParis

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    Yes. Oh, and that little bit about them being permanently disfiguring.
     
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    Thanks Cindy, if I was looking for reasons not to get a tattoo I'm sure this would be meaningful for me... Since I'm not I hope it made you feel better about yourself though.
     
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    I love how people who don't have tattoos usually assume that those of us who have them are misguided, attention seeking, trend following idiots who will eventually realize that we made a mistake and the anti-body art crowd was right all along. Is it so hard to understand that some people just like permanent body art and may always cherish each piece due to the meaning it has for that person?

    I know people who have various tattoos that are like a road map or scrap book of a journey through life and I think that's great. You may disagree and say something like "why not just take pictures?". I assure you that these people have plenty of pictures but wanted to mark the occasion in a more personal and permanent way.

    One easy to understand example of this is the large number of Olympic ring tattoos that we will see on TV this summer. I had a conversation with a friend last night who dislikes tattoos for many of the reasons outlined in this thread but she said she thinks that the Olympic tattoos we saw on a couple US divers who were competing in the trials they had on TV weren't bad at all.

    Anyway, more power to the OP. If it means something to you then go for it.

    P.S. I HIGHLY recommend using Aquaphor ointment on the tattoo while it heals. It's the best.
     
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    Hmmm I hadn't heard of Aquaphor before. I'll have to check it out.
     
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  34. Fuji

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    I fully support your decision man! There are a few posts from me on here on my views on tattoos and I fully support them. If you like it, do it up buddy!

    My family is a rather prominent business family and guess what? Everyone is covered in tattoos from the neck down. Guess who cares? No one!

    I've always heard people say, well what are you going to do when you are old with tattoos, get them removed? Heck no, I'm going to be an awesome old man with a ton of tattoos!

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  35. dParis

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    I changed my mind. They look really good!

    :shock:
     
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    is that grandma and grandpa Fuji?
     
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    Hahahaha! Not quite, but pretty close!

    -Fuji
     
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