New to Polyester, Need Advice

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  1. JTJet

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    I want some extra spin on my groundstrokes and have never tried a poly so I decided to research a little. I've read that polyester can cause tennis elbow and even cause enough pain to disable people from playing tennis.

    Since I am less than 18 years of age and not fully grown, will using polyester strings inhibit my ability to play tennis in the future? I have read to string polyester lower as it would help with the stiffness and give better control/a longer playability period. However, I'm willing to not use polyester if I won't be able to hold a racquet when I grow older.

    I use a Volkl PB10Mid which is arm friendly with its flexability rating and I was planning to try some Dunlop Black Widow first, as I heard it was a soft poly. Will this be alright for my arm or will it damage my body in the long run? Thanks.
     
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  2. LanEvo

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    I dont think so, just use a softer Co-Poly and you should be fine. Say one of the Kirschbaums or similar Co-Poly. The only thing I am not fond of in all Polys is that they go deal, and since I am not a string breaker, I have have to cut them out, and it hurts me (not physically, but the price of having the best feeling for 2-3 weeks at the expense of the price for a set).
     
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    Is there an optimal time for cut out? I heard 8 hours of hitting.
     
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  4. danotje

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    This really depends on the string.

    As for your original concerns, I think you'll be ok if you pay attention. If your arm hurts, stop. I just started up again about 6 months ago after a 22 year break. I was using an Aero Pro OG with a 5/8s grip and full poly. The combo plus my technique caused me tremendous pain. I switched to a 7G with a 1/2" grip, started using a hybrid (hard to go away from the feel and spin of a poly) and focused on my technique--namely, correcting my follow through and (most importantly) loosening my grip. Now I have zero arm issues and have played with multiple full poly set ups. I think the big part is your grip. I can play 2-3 times a week at 3 hours a shot and not have any problem other than being tired. All after being unable to lift a glass of water a few months earlier.

    Don't take this as what to do, though, as it is only my experience. You may have other issues, plus my racquet is considerably different than yours. I think it also has something to do with my arm feeling good. Also, you really should evaluate your game and decide if poly is even necessary. I like it, and I think my long, fast strokes benefit from it, but it isn't necessary for everyone.
     
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  5. fortun8son

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    I think that a poly/syngut hybrid may be called for here.
    The syngut will balance out the poly and reduce any ill effects from playing with dead poly if you leave it in too long.
    Black Widow is a fine string and should not cause problems.
    Try it with OGSM 17, or, if you want to keep it black, Gamma Syngut16 crosses @51/55.
     
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  6. JTJet

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    I didn't know that synthetic would reduce the effects of dead poly. Is OGSM the best choice for a cross?
     
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  7. LanEvo

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    Have you been using string for a while, not literally, but like can you tell the difference between different types of string, and how they change over time when you hit with them?

    With poly, and others, you will notice a drastic change once poly goes dead, at least I do, you lose control, power, etc., usually you start spraying your balls a bit. It's a change where you instantly notice a difference from hitting one moment(session) to the next.
     
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  8. maxpotapov

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    Yes it provides some cushioning but no it will not reduce the effects of dead poly. Because synthetic, such as OGSM, is dying even faster than poly (in just two hitting sessions). And then you have to swing harder to get the same response from the stringbed and such excessive effort is tiresome for your body.
     
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  9. maxpotapov

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    Black Widow / OGSM is a wonderful setup for up to 8 hours (depends on your level). I tried to leave it in for more than 12 hours and boy I got tired of playing with it. Maybe more energetic syn gut would help it to play longer, but like with any textured/shaped string those sharp edges wear out anyway. But first 5 hours provide excellent performance and very arm friendly too.
     
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  10. TheCheese

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    String it at LEAST 10% lower.

    You'll be fine as far as your health goes as long as you have good form and don't play through pain.
     
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  11. fortun8son

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    Perhaps I should have said that it can keep the stringbed playable even after poly death.
    You should still restring when the poly dies.
    If you can't feel it, you can still see that the poly has moved and not snapped back.
    OGSM 17 is an excellent cross, though there are certainly livlier and softer crosses.
    PSGO, Wilson Extreme, and Gamma Synthetic are good. N.vY is superb (and pricier)
    Some will recommend multi crosses. Many have the added benefit of fraying to let you know that it's overdue for a change.

    Adding poly to your stringbed can increase control and spin potential, but you have to keep an eye on the clock and the tension..

    If you experience a match lasting more than 4 hours...see a Physician. ;)
     
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  12. anubis

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    I vote for Tourna Big Hitter Black 7, 17 gauge. It's soft, easy on the arm. I have arm issues and have strung it as high as 56 lbs with no issues.

    As to hybriding, I'm definitely in the minority here, but I don't recommend it. I think you're better off going full bed poly to really gain all the benefits of what poly has to offer.

    To me, hybriding is like drinking Miller Lite. Why do that when you can drink something like Lagunitas Maxiumus, or Oaked Arrogant *******? :)
     
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  13. sportlerin

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    I for one agree with you. Not a fan of hybriding; for me it gives a feeling of neither here nor there.

    Whether I want the crunchy response of the poly, or the stable predictability of the multi, I seem to get neither out of a hybrid setup. My racquet seems confused.
     
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    I've tried a LOT of polys (except Lux 4G) on my Youtek Prestiges and I thought:
    1. Luxilon BB Alu Power 1.25 was the best out there. Soft, lively, feels nice until it breaks, there's a reason why they charge that much for it.
    2. Tecnifibre Black Code 1.24 is almost as good, lasts longer, cheaper.

    The rest were either overpriced with no feel(RPM...), or cheap plastic(MSV,Kirschbaum,Pro's Pro,Ruff Code..).
     
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  15. maverick1981

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    If spin is a concern, don't think there is much better given what you are looking for than Luxilon ALU Power Rough. Strung at mid tension, with a solid vibrasorb (yonex are among the best), I think you will have incredible results with no pain. It will work wonders for your game, get the ball over the net with great spin and give you some consistency when taking massive cuts.
     
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  16. fortun8son

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    Welcome to TT polyester advice 101.
    Everyone will tell you what works well for them.
    What works well for you?
    That is the question.
    Try things, but don't accept what you read here as gospel.
     
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  17. COPEY

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    Absolutely. It amazes me how so many people believe that someone can actually select the perfect string to use based on so little input on their part (which may or may not be entirely accurate) and without having seen them play. Just do a little reading, people. See what sounds interesting, maybe ask a few questions about a characteristic or two you may be interested in or you haven't seen disucussed and then pick up a set or two. You'll learn infinitely more about what strings work for you vs which strings don't.
     
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