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  1. dino71

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    Hi everyone, I was given access to the board and from what I have seen this board is awesome. I am considering purchasing my first stringing machine, a Gamma Progression ST II Stringing Machine. Basically I want to string my own rackets and want to do it correctly. I know Youtube is a source of info but do you need to know how to string a particular brand like Wilson or Prince or are they all the same? Are there any tutorials on this board to get me started because I really do not want to screw this up. I will keep digging on the board for info.
     
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  2. Rabbit

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    the main difference is no the racquet manufacturer, but the type of stringing machine you have. don't be nervous, it's not hard to do once you get the hang of it and for many of us (weird though it may seem), it's fun. :)

    Welcome to the club and good luck.
     
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  3. jim e

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    welcome dino 71.
    This link has some of the better youtube videos for someone like yourself starting out. check these out, although they are not listed in a particular order.
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=172626

    Each racquet is strung by a particular pattern.
    when you start out, you will need to look up the stringing pattern for each racquet until you get familiar with it.
    The manuf. lists patterns for their racquets on their web site, or you can also join the USRSA and they send a digest to you 2/ year with all the patterns listed for you.
    They also have a techniques manual that has a great amount of information.
     
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  4. MAX PLY

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    Welcome. I think the previous posters have guided you in the right direction. The only things I would add are (1) as good as the videos are, if you know a more experienced stringer, he/she might be a good asset to take you through your first racquet or two and (2) I suggest practicing a couple of times on a frame other than the one you primarily play with (it can even be the same type, just not your usual playing racquets) just so any serioius rookie mistakes (e.g., warpage or torn grommets) are not imposed upon your preferred sticks. Good Luck and have fun.
     
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  5. dino71

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    Thanks for the welcome guys, my machine might be shipped today so I hope I can get to use it this weekend. I will be looking at my rackets tonight to see how they are strung and I'll be looking at the YouTube vids. What would we do without the internet?
     
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  6. TennisCJC

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    Stringing most rackets is similar except the Prince EX03 or older O3. The ports don't give you a good angle to tension the string. There are video's on YouTube on how to use "things" like a sharpie cap to separate the 2 strings in one port. It is easiest to use the brake on your turntable to hold the racket at a good angle. If you stringer does not have a brake, you have to use a sharpie or prince "boomerang tool" to keep the 2 strings from pinching down on each other at bad angles.

    You can get patterns from several web sites.

    If you study yulittles YouTube videos and others, you can learn to do a decent job pretty quickly. This site is also a good source as I've picked up some things here.
     
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  7. Radicalized

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    I put these in order a while back in a post and keep reusing it. Yulitle also has other videos, but these are the basics to get a racquet strung. The others include things like stringsavers and various patterns.

    Yulitle is a member who was an MRT.

    YULITLE CHANNEL:
    http://www.youtube.com/yulitle

    If your racquet is still strung:
    Cutting Strings out of a Racket (racquet)
    STRINGER USE:
    1. Mounting - 6-Point
    2. Swivel Clamps - Use and Operation
    MAINS:
    3. Getting Mains Started - Two-piece
    4. How to Start Your Mains
    5. Parnell Knot (To tie off--one knot of several to choose)--see #6
    6. How to tighten your knots (shows Parnell in example)
    CROSSES:
    7. Bulky (starting) knot (there are others on the site to try)
    8. Starting Crosses with a Starting Knot (Note: YULitle weaves his second cross first in the video, then weaves the first cross and puts string through the grommet where he will tie the starting knot around the main. Then he ties the knot, tightens it, and pulls tension.)
    9. Intro to Main Skips and Cross Weaving
    10. How to Pass String thru Blocked Grommets
    11. Why to Pull Hard Weaves Twice
    12. Weaving Crosses
    13. Parnell Knot (To tie off--one of several)
    14. How to tighten your knots
    15. Mounting - 6-Point (remove the racquet properly)

    You will have to check your manual for using a crank "lock out" tensioning system. Yulitle, as far as I remember, does not have a video for this. There may be videos, but I'm not aware of any personally.

    Go to the Gamma website and download a PDF (Adobe Acrobat) file of the manual. You'll have a little head start.

    I've been working on a thread for a dropweight/floating clamp machine, but I included some pattern samples and some general information in the Q and A section. Just ignore anything related to floating clamps (You'll have fixed.), the 2-point mounting (You'll have 6-pt.), or the ratcheting dropweight (You'll have a crank.). Some common information starts where the pattern images begin. http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=427767
     
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  8. dino71

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    Looks like I am going to be really busy this weekend playing with my new toy.....I hope to post a picture of my first victim...I mean string job by Monday. Thanks for all your support and guidance.
     
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  9. mchjhn

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    welcome.

    i would complement yulitle's youtube channel with Irvin (AKA the man with the couch in the back ground.).

    http://www.youtube.com/user/Mr10sStringer

    he is very knowledgeable, and explains everything.
     
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  10. dino71

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    I know this is a real novice question but...

    Can someone please explain or direct me to a website that might explain the info fo rmy particular racket...i.e.


    PRO STAFF TOUR 90 50 - 60 18'M - 16'C 16M X 19C 7,9T - 7,9B 6B 7T 5T - 9B

    Racquet Name Tension Length Pattern Skip M Holes Tie Off M Start C Tie Off C

    Key:
    M = Main String
    C = Cross String
    T = Top of Frame
    B = Bottom of Frame
    S = Short Side Main


    I have no clue what "Skip M holes" means and "Tie off M" and Start C" and "Tie off C". I will assume that there are two pieces of string involved here? I will also assume that that's pretty standard? If I should post this in another forum then let me know.
     
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  11. diredesire

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    If your frame is still strung, i'd take a picture of it from several angles in case you get desperate.

    However, to read this pattern:

    From the center of the frame, moving outwards, you start counting from 1. The first main to the left (OR right) is main #1. When it says to skip a main hole, you skip the hole that is ## to the left or right of center.

    For your PST90, you'd skip the 7th and 9th hole at the top and bottom. Tie off hole is the 6th hole (left and right) at the bottom. You need two tie off holes at the bottom if you are stringing a 2 piece pattern.
    *Note: Skip just means you don't thread that hole. Move onto the next hole and thread the main strings through those instead.

    It says "Start C," this is the hole you start your crosses, and tie tie offs are listed as 5th hole from the center (at the top) and 9th hole at the bottom.

    You can string the frame with one piece of string, but maybe start out with two at first until you get the process down. One piece (some will argue it is actually easier) is less systematic in that you have to work with asymmetric string lengths, and if you're really new, you might get flustered having a long length of string wrapping around your turn table.

    2 piece is relatively standard, some people prefer one, but there are stipulations on this that you can read about later. I'd just get some frames strung first, and then worry about 100% correctness later. Once you get the terminology down, and aren't afraid of breaking every frame, you can learn the theory and "right way" to do things.

    [for future reference, search why stringing one piece bottom to top is bad]
     
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  12. Radicalized

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    Disclaimer: Check it against your racquet. Note: I saw some Wilson 90 frames listed (including a pic online of an older model) with the crosses tied off at 11 at the bottom (throat). Above, you have pasted the pattern where the crosses tie off at 9 bottom (throat). I needed to use a clear image to see the grommets.

    Maybe this example will help you get the idea, anyway.
    [​IMG]
     
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  13. dino71

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    Are there any books out there that describe this stuff? I do not know anyone who is a stringer, it would be nice to see some visual stuff.
     
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  14. mchjhn

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    try the youtube links first. just watch the different channels, and they will go right through it more detailed than a person.

    also, you might want to get an old racquet, find the pattern, string it, cut the strings out, and do it again. will take a while, and you will get frustrated, but that's the reason you use an old racquet.
     
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  15. Radicalized

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    The videos are very good from the well-known TT members. You'll most likely get a Gamma version of an USRSA stringing guide, but aside from the basics, which are on here in plenty, it doesn't offer much.

    Once you have the start loop set and get the mains started, you're off, repeating the same action on each main. Then you tie off. Just remember the "main skips" (holes/grommets that are used for crosses.)

    You didn't mentioning ordering a starting clamp (which you don't "need"). Therefore, you'll use a starting knot to tie around an anchor string, and begin to weave under and over each main. Again, you weave and tension. Repeat for each cross. Then tie off just as you did with the mains.

    Of course, there are extra tips and such, but you can get that from the material posted already.

    You'll get it.
     
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  16. diredesire

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    Yep. Don't get information paralysis, either. It's wonderful to be prepared, but don't spend your life reading and watching without DOING. Making a few mistakes, and then re-watching/reading will make the proverbial light above your head turn on. As far as mains skipping/starting at the right place, it's pretty hard to screw up, actually. You'll notice REALLY weird spacing if you skip the wrong hole (caveat, there are some frames where it's not obvious that you skipped the wrong hole, such as the Pure Control/Storm line of frames), but if you pay attention (visualize the crosses), it's pretty hard to screw up.

    If you start on the wrong end of the racquet, you'll know within 5 minutes that you did something wrong (you'll get stuck in the throat bridge).

    Prepare yourself as best you can, and then just string a handful of frames!
     
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  17. GarryClarke

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    some excellent advice given and it is all i need to no :)

    another question without starting a new thread.

    my other racket head LM8 16x19 is a one piece stringing job and it looks to complicated for me as im new to stringing so can i string it as a two piece????

    any advice would be great guys
     
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  18. mchjhn

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    you can always two piece a racquet.
     
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  19. GarryClarke

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    cheers for that

    another question is you only tie 2 finish knots with a 1 peice so where would you tie off on a 2 peice job????
    i no there are bigger grommets to take the knots so how would you go around it?????

    cheers garry
     
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  20. diredesire

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    Look up your string pattern, it'll tell you exactly where you can tie off. There will be enlarged grommets for you to tie off :)
     
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  21. Radicalized

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    [​IMG]

    And where it says "(can vary by string type)" in the picture, that applies to stretchy vs. stiff strings. Obviously, the length of string in the racquet itself doesn't "grow." I was referring to the amount one might need, as opposed to the official listed lengths. I should have made that more clear, but I was keeping things short.
     
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  22. GarryClarke

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    You are a bloody star,I did search for it but I drew a blank so thought I would ask as your the yoda of all things (I'm not worthy).

    Thanks again Garry
     
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  23. Radicalized

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    "Drakulie" is the "Yoda." Check out his avatar [​IMG] (and merits--shop, club, pro tournaments).

    Other guys like "Irvin," "mikeler," and "jim_e" are Obi Wans. No offense, gentlemen--not a real comparison of abilities here--just humor.

    I'm a mere padawan. They have the decades and decades of experience (I'm not a kid by any means, but I gather from their posts (Not including "mikeler"--I have no idea.) they are more "mature.") or massive testing threads. But I do what I can. You can go to Head and download a PDF with racquet patterns. I used a 2008 version in this case. I just like to spruce them up to try to make them more user friendly with the extra instructions. Note: In Head's official instructions, they count grommets differently. For example, where I use 1...2...3...etc. head and throat on the left and right sides, they start at the throat (bottom), 1...2...and go on to the head of the racquet while continuously counting. In the LM8 case, on the HEAD instructions, the center grommet (left and right) at the head (top) is numbered 35. In this case, I think it makes it more confusing.

    You can also get patterns at the Klippermate site. If you check out your racquet beforehand and take notes (if still strung), you can reproduce it.

    And I'd watch how you cut the strings because of the large head size (110 sq. in., I think). On the first job, if your string is 40', don't just cut the string in half, for example with synthetic gut or the like. Balance it with the needs of the mains and the crosses. Keep track of how much you have left. All of this depends on the string type and whether it stretches. With poly, depending on how well the string reaches your gripper, you might need a bit more than 40' total without "jumping" (extending string with another)when you get to your final strings to be tensioned. You'll need enough in the end to tension and tie off.

    Edit: The head size is 112 sq. in. :oops:
     
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    I'll take Obi Wan. That may warrant an avatar change! The big 4-0 is next year for me.
     
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    Then we're in the same area. The Fed-atar is close enough. He doesn't get to "Master" yet. Even he's not old enough. He needs the wrinkles and hair growing out of his ears first. :) This is a "Jedi" bit, not a G.O.A.T.-related thread--no one go crazy.
     
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  26. GarryClarke

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    Again you surpass yourself with Jedi wisdom for such a young padawan:)
    I will take on board your wisdom and learn the old way of the Jedi stringer lol

    I will wait till I have strung a few rackets first till I attempt the LM8,I might even have a go at a one piece as that's what it's originally done with

    Thanks again for the excellent advice and it is truly appreciated

    Garry
     
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  27. dino71

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    I am not sure where you found that picture but it seem to be exactamundo to what I am looking for. I compared it to my racket and its a perfect match! I am so looking forward to taking on this project tomorrow. All you guys went out of your way to help me and I hope that I can return the favor some day.
     
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