New Tourna Big Hitter Black Zone!!!!!

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  1. SteveI

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    TOURNA BIG HITTER Black Zone is an ultra smooth co-poly. Crafted with the latest advancements in string materials using a series of special heat treatments that strengthen molecular bonding and keep the surface smooth throughout hard hitting play. The smooth surface allows the string to snap back into place for excellent power and spin. Designed for comfortable, controlled power, for faster swing speeds. The durable smooth surface makes it perfect for hybriding with softer strings. 16g & 17g, 40’ sets and 660’ reels. Black color.
     
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    ^ know of any co-poly not requiring "faster swing speeds" ?

    not a trick question just curious if there is such.
     
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  3. Devilito

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    im surprised companies aren't offering 15 or 15L by default now with the rise in open string patterns. They need to be more proactive instead of reactive.
     
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    Thanks for posting, it sounds like a good alternative for hybriding with gut.
     
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  5. SteveI

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    Looks like another fine offering from Tourna: Reels will be under $90.00
     
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  6. SteveI

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    That was my 1st thought. I am trying to obtain an evaluation set ASAP...
     
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    Please post your thoughts. I too checked out the price and it looks really good. One of the guys I string for uses gut in the mains and RPM in the crosses. I'd love to find something a bit cheaper that plays as good.
     
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  8. SteveI

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    Not sure how much court time I will get over the holidays...but I will do my best to report back. Right now my go to string is Big Hitter Silver 17G...full bed 50/48.
     
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    I wonder if this string is just a smoother BHB7 with no edges. Either way, I'm intrigued and will be trying it out.
     
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    I am intrigued by this string as well. I will wait for TW to stock it though. $14.56 for ground shipping to W.Wash seems a little steep for one set of string :shock:
     
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    I am tired of testing strings and had planned on just using up what I have in the closet and then buying a reel of whichever I liked best, but I will try this once TW carries it. I really like BHB7 and BHBR and think Tourna makes a great budget poly. Looking forward to testing it and not paying $12 to ship one set.
     
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  12. tennisnut09

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    Update on this string please.
     
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    I'd definitely be interested in a taking a couple of sets if you were to get a reel.
     
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  14. tennisnut09

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    Please do! I would love to try this string. Thanks!
     
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    I hear ya, same with me. I've got 11 sets of strings to try when in fact I just want to get another reel of BHB7 and another of Dunlop Juice... but I'm just a cheap ***** for new strings. Got use up stuff that's just been sitting there since last summer first.
     
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  16. tennisinoc

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    Ditto. I am still searching for that soft, crisp, slick poly that can retain its tension for more than a few hours. I've noticed that most softer polys lose tension extremely fast due to their higher elasticity.
     
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    I was going to buy a set but 16 dollars for shipping is a little pricy for me. I'm still happy with my MSV hex but i wanted to try something new =p
     
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  18. SteveI

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    Looks like this string is going to be priced at $7.00 a set and approx. $70/reel.

    If it is decent...it is a winner. I still do not have a set and will be testing the new Bab string..before I get to this one
     
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  19. Out?

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    same, very interested in this string but will wait until after the origin playtest
     
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  20. Torres

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    That's a bargain, though it will need to maintain decent performance for 6 hours+ for it to be worthwhile IMO.
     
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    Since every one of the Tourna Polys I have tested and used are decent and very good to great price/performers, I have no reason to think this one would be a dud. I am thinking a Big Hitter Black 7 16G (mains) and Big Hitter Black Zone 17G (crosses) would be a very interesting hybrid. It would love to give it a try in my 16 x 19 100 sq in. head frame. I wish there was some data on the new string.
     
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  23. SteveI

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    Please do!!!!! :). You can get the string at few places right now (Including Tourna), but I do not have the time to do the testing. If it was spring it would it would be a different story.
     
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    String ordered, not from TW =(. BUT i will get the reel from TW if I like it.
    Hopefully i'll get them by the weekend so I can strin git up and get some some opinions for you guys.
    I ordered the 17g as i'm not a big fan of 16g in a 18x20 =p.
     
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    It will be interesting to see how it performs against BHB7.
     
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    Is this better than RPM blast ?
     
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    I would think this string plays nothing like either. I expect it to play like Dunlop Ice or Lux 4G. Guessing it was introduced to be used as a lower powered, smooth poly with good tension holding properties. A perfect string to use as a cross with natty gut. It is not a explosive string like Blast or BHB7. I would like to test a hybrid with BHB7 or Blast mains and this new Big Hitter Black Zone crosses. This is not a shaped or twisted poly.

    There is what Chris indicated via Brittany "Chris found it to be a very low powered poly, have good access to spin and grips the ball well.

    Brittany, TW"
     
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  28. StringingIrvine

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    Still waiting for my strings to be delivered! UPS made a goof and instead of being here last sat i'll be getting them thursday.

    I'm playing in a tournament this weekend and i'll test these out in 17g.

    Anyone else here have any other feedback that will help me with my initial tension?
     
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    I played a qtr final 4.0 usta match with them this weekend. Previous to the match I hit for about 1 hour warm up. I might be sand bagging a little, but I haven't played tournaments in a while and didn't know where i'd fit in. Be warned these are just my opinions.

    I normally use msv hex 18l (1.10mm), i've tried all gauges of tourbite, thinner gauges of cyclone, big hitter silver. I've tried rpm blast and black code over 2 years ago and its hard to remember what i thought of them so i'm not going to pretend I know what they feel like.

    I tested the 17g which i believe is 1.23mm, it was obviously thicker compared to my regular string so take that into account when reading my review.

    I strung the BHBZ at the same tension as my normal set up so i can directly compare them. 40 lbs full bed, mains same as crosses. On the ERT300 the msv hex gave my normal dynamic tension of 42, the BHBZ gave a reading of 33. This might be because of the thicker gauge, i don't know.

    When stringing you can just feel how slippery the string is against itself.

    Upon first hit I immediately felt the a softer string bed, there was a lot more ball pocketing compared to the msv hex. Volleys were buttery. Groundies had a nice pop, but still low powered. The power level was just slightly above my normal set up. The spin was definitely better with the msv hex but not by a lot. I could not tell the difference on groundies but with my serves were kicking a bit more.

    Directional control was what i loved about this string. It could be because of the thicker gauge but I was playing amazing. I was redirecting shots with ease and absolute control.

    Later that night i went back out to the courts and did some drills for about 1.5 hours and the string still felt the same. No changes in playability. Normally with my msv hex the string starts to notch around the 2-3 hour mark. Using the BHBZ i noticed noticing after the first hour. It didn't seem to affect playability but i thought it was strange.

    Spin - 9/10 - Better than MSV hex, not as good as cyclone/TB. I did noticed the spin was consistent. With all the other strings i noticed there is a gradual drop off in spin, but i found the spin potential was always there from the first hit, to the last. My warm up partner did comment on how i was getting more kick vs my normal set up.

    Power - 3/10 - There is more ball pocket and pop compared to msv hex. The string's pop felt similar to cyclone, where it has power which is completely controllable.

    Durability - ?/10 - I don't ever break full poly set ups as I cut them out at around 15 hours. I'm not a big fan of having a set of strings break in the middle of a match. I did notice slight notching after the first set.

    Tension maintenance - 8/10 (CURRENTLY) - The strings felt exactly the same as when they were freshly strung. They sound a bit different which is strange, but they definitely have the same spin potential, ball pocketing, and feel. I've only hit for 6 hours or so but i'll report back.

    Control - 10/10 - Control was amazing with this racket. It could be the change from a thin gauge to thicker gauge, but i felt i was putting this ball where i wanted. In 70% rallies i was just picking where i wanted the ball to go. When i pulled the trigger it was like i was using a scalpel.

    Big question: "Will i be switching to BHBZ?" Maybe, if the tension drop off is as linear as msv hex. I've been used to the plastic feel from msv hex, and this was a refreshing change. I purchased a set of 1.23mm hex as a comparison as i felt the change from my usual hex 1.10mm to 1.23 BHBZ might be gauge difference. I do like the bhbz currently and i felt i played well with it. I just want to be 100% sure before i purchase a reel.

    IMO I did not like tour bite as it was too harsh for me, and i did not like cyclone as the tension maintenance was not linear. MSV hex was the middle ground. BHBZ might be the new update that i've been looking for.

    I have not tried ripspin, or head hawk, but i'd imagine it plays very similar to BHBZ. I prefer black strings though =p. And at 80 bucks a reel it comes to $4.84 per set. Same price as msv hex.

    I also strung up as 41 lbs mains and 38 crosses but i have yet to test.

    Feel free to ask questions if you like.
     
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  30. SteveI

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    Thanks so much for the great review. I have been busy with my Bab Origin playtest and have not got to this one yet. I have seen this selling for $6.95 a set and $72.95 a reel. TW will offer it for about the same price. I am looking for a new string to replace the re-formulated BH Silver 17G. Very excited about this new offering. It will look great in the red/white and black frame. Keep those insights coming in.
     
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    I purchased a set of 1.23mm msv hex to directly compare to the BHBZ 1.23mm. I will test after my semi and finals match this weekend.

    Anyone else hit with BHBZ?
     
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  32. tennisinoc

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    I've got a couple sets of BHBZ and Quasi Armor coming. I maybe will try a hybrid with them also.
    Have you hit with Mamba Iontec black before? If so, any similarities?

    What tourney you playing? ITA, Irvine open?
     
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    Flex Infinity has 1.40 and 1.50 now... Good stuff...
     
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    I have not hit with Mamba Iontec black =(

    I'm playing in the Anaheim Hills open, I was going to play in the ITA but the tournaments overlapped =(.

    I was hoping i'd finish the anaheim hills open in a weekend but I guess that wasn't the case.
     
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    I feel like i'm flooding this thread =p.

    I'm making the switch. I hit again yesterday and played some serious sets with my 4.5 partner. The 1.23mm tension is maintance is just as good as my msv hex at 1.10mm, which makes sense as its thicker.

    I originally said i'd test the 1.23mm hex comparision, and I've order the string. After last night I don't see a need as i'm completely satisified with the BHBZ.

    Ordering my reel of BHBZ and some barricade V's this afternoon =)
     
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    Picked up a second Graphene Radical Pro and strung it with BHBZ. First one strung with BHB17, both at 55. BHBZ seems to plays much softer especially given that the GRP is an infamously stiff stick. Spin is much better with BHB17 and a little more thump but I feel more confident all around with BHBZ. Normal setup is Mikelers hybrid of choice (B5E/TB). Really curious to see how a BHBZ/TB hybrid would work but for now making the full switch to BHBZ. Highly recommend giving it a run.
     
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    I finally got my demo sets of Black Zone and Quasi Armor 17g.
    I was originally planning to hybrid BZ mains and QA crosses. But considering the recent RSI review on how Quasi Armor was 2nd only to Gut in comfort, I decided to string up the opposite hybrid with the QA Mains and BZ cross hoping it would emulate the feel and playability of my favorite string set up of a Gut/Poly hybrid.

    I strung it up at my usual tension of Gut/Poly hybrid of 56 lbs mains / 52 lbs cross in my Pacific Xforce Pro.

    First the mains @ 56lbs: Quasi Armor by touch feels pretty slick and is very pliable as with any multi string. Limited coil memory. But unlike other multi strings that are opaque, it is very clear, like ice, with the blue strands clearly standing out. It has an old school Victory Gut look to it. Stringing it up was very easy. But, it doesn't stretch as much as a typical multi but more like a typical nylon. Clamp ghosting is minimal and tying off knots was easy.

    Second the crosses @ 52 lbs: Black zone 17g seems thinner than the typical 17g of 1.25 or 1.23. I think I read it is actually measured at 1.20 which I think is more accurate. It is slick by touch and the quality feels much like the quality of the brother BH7 string. It is more pliable than most polys. Stringing it up was easy. It slides very well when weaving across the Quasi Armor. Even the hard weaves were easy due to the pliability of the string. It looks like this low friction combo might have good results.

    PLAYABILITY: My level of play is 4.5
    This is where I am stumped. My favorite combo of Gut/Poly at these same tensions is my dream set up. It is very comfortable and has the perfect blend of power and control. I was hoping this Tourna combo could be the potential economical replacement for my expensive dream set up.
    Upon the first hit, this was unfortunately not the case. The string bed felt stiff and boardy. Almost like if I had I string it up at 62+ lbs! It felt like a ping pong paddle without any ball cupping and I felt disconnected to the ball. Power was low. Every ball was coming up short, falling around the opponent service line vs. baseline. I was really puzzled about this. I was actually expecting the opposite effect, thinking that because these strings seemed pretty soft, I would be getting too much power and hitting long. NOPE. I even had to go to the extent of stepping on my string bed to see if I could get some of the tension down. That helped a bit, but nothing like I wanted it to feel like. I have tried many other multi/poly combos and have enjoyed the feel from first hit with all of them. Biggest problem with this combo has always been the durability (20 min - 50 min max on the multi before they snap. No Bueno). But here is where the Greatest attribute comes from the Quasi armor. I continued to hit with it for 2 1/2 hours and it held its own! Only minimal notching and no outer coat cracking or splitting. So the poly blend is working in regards to increased durability. String movement was also minimal which is good. I did think that the spin was pretty good but was hitting so many short balls it didn't matter much. I think I really need to restring this up at 10% or even 15% lower to see if I can get a better feel and pocketing out of this combo. I am still puzzled on why the strings play so much stiffer than other multi/poly set ups. Perhaps it could be the poly blend in the Quasi or the Black Zone is underpowered and plays stiffer than it feels? I really have no idea and am truly stumped. I plan on stringing up another racket with the set up at a much lower tension to see if there is any differences and hopeful improvements. More to come……..
     
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    I did think it was strange how low powered the BHBZ felt considering how soft it was. It was slightly more powerful than msv hex 1.10 full bed. The difference was so small it would be hard to tell the difference, except i was hitting side by side.

    Maybe the quazi gut is with the poly mixed in harsher than someone would think? Hopefully you find your right tension.
     
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    I played with quasi gut/bhs hybrid. From the first hit, I could tell it was no gut/poly. It just doesn't have that spin, controlled power, comfort, feel, touch, etc. It's like eating low grade beef after eating premium filet mignon.
     
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    From TW's page on Tourna strings:
    See http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Tourna_Black_Zone_String_17/descpageACUNIQUE-UBKZ17.html
     
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    McLovin: Yup that is where I must have read it ;). I ordered these strings 3 weeks ago from Tourna and TW didn't have the product description up at that time.

    Quasi and Quasi Armor are a different string all together. Quasi played softer at this tension but broke very quickly. Quasi strings up, plays and looks like a typical middle of the road multi. Where as Quasi Armor doesn't string and play like a typical multi. It plays more like a Synthetic/high quality nylon but is obviously stiffer.
    Also the characteristics of the Black Zone could also be the contributing factor.

    I have a feeling I might have to do a full bed of both strings to give a more accurate description of their individual characteristics.
     
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    So I strung up another racket to give this hybrid another go. I took a chance and strung it up 15% lower than the previous set up because of how stiff it was on the other racket. 48 lbs mains / 44 lbs cross. I have NEVER strung up a synthetic or multi main this low on my racket due to the inherent power of these type of strings.
    I was reluctant, but took a risk.
    I am still really stumped on these strings. Even at 8 lbs. lower to my previous set up, these strings are still stiff and dead feeling. I was expecting improvement in comfort and more power, but this wasn't the case. My balls didn't rebound much more than the other set up. Balls were still landing short by the service line and improvement in comfort was not to be found. I could not believe it. I had to swing harder than my usual swing speed to keep the balls deeper. I was putting too much effort just to get the results that I am used to with my other preferred set ups. Also, string movement was huge with this lower tension. I was constantly readjusting the mains. It seemed like these strings sucked up all the energy of the ball and gave nothing back. I am starting to think that it might be the Black Zone is the main factor of this set up. When stringing BZ up for the second time, I noticed there is no stretch when applying tension and feels very firm afterwards without much give. I plan to cut out the BZ crosses and just try a Synth/Gosen Micro cross to see if the Quasi Armor main has any comfort and power as other Multis and as reviewed by other RSI playtesters. Maybe the opposite set up with BZ mains and QA crossed is the optimal set up for these new strings. I will give that a try on my remaining set. I had high hopes for these strings, but I am definitely not feeling them right now with this set up. More to come…….
     
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    Have you hit with quazi armor mains before?

    I have no regrets switching to it from MSV hex 1.10g. I've also directly compared it to a full bed of a prince warrior hybrid touch and BHBZ still came out on top.

    The main thing I love about it is the spin potential remains constant throughout the life of the string.
     
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    Nope. This is my first playtest with QA. I was originally going to hybrid BZ mains and QA cross. But after reading the RSI feedback on how it played 2nd in comfort only to Gut, I tried it as a main first.
    I have now cut that hybrid out based on my previous feedback and have the BZ mains now with QA cross as I originally planned. I will hit with it tonight to get this hybrid feedback. One thing so far I can say after stringing this hybrid setup is that the QA is sticky as a cross and the BZ isnt sliding well just by hand pulling them across. More to come....
     
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    Ok. Hybrid with BA mains and QA crosses are much better in terms of comfort and power than the reverse set up. I strung them up at my usual Poly/Synth tension of 50/54.
    This set up wasn't as stiff and disconnected as the prior reverse set up. Balls were going deeper in the court and some ball pocketing was there adding better feel.
    It still has a dead, lower power, low pocket feeling than other set ups I use and have tried. QA crosses feel slick but are actually sticky with the mains so the BZ mains weren't sliding very well and needed constant readjustments. NO SNAP BACK EFFECT. I also had to adjust the crosses too because they were moving up and down on the BZ mains. Everything was in the AVERAGE range in term of Spin, Power, & Control compared to other Poly/Synth hybrids I have played in the past. So, unfortunately these are not the HOLY GRAIL hybrid I was hoping them to be. I will last test a full set up of the BZ and QA to test independently. More to come.....
     
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    Been hitting with the 17 gauge for the past week. Not bad. Soft, springy, surprisingly powerful, yet reasonably consistent. Not a huge amount of spin to it and a bit muted feeling. Overall, quite a nice string but not quite my cup of tea.
     
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    (strung at 58lbs in a Yonex Ai98)
     
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