New Video - How to weave crosses faster

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  1. Irvin

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    I came up with a method of weaving crosses with a string last year. The problem with that method is it only worked in one direction. I came up with another method that works in both directions.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ9T8fWs7Ws&feature=youtu.be

    I must admit I am still able to push my crosses a little faster than this tool allows me to weave but I think my speed with the tool with improve with a little practice. If you are new to stringing this may just be the tool to improve your time required to weave those crosses.

    EDIT for pertinent info in post: The beads I use are Pony Beads aka Kandi, or Candi beads. They can be found at any craft store, Walmart, some drug stores, the bay, dollar tree, etc ... They're everywhere and cheap.

    This method is not for everyone I can actually push weave faster in the center of the racket. It works very well when stringing full bed poly or gut as it gives you a little extra grip on the string and does not bend up the string. I like it most when I get down near the bottom of the racket and it gets a little harder to weave.
     
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    Looks like a great tip, Irvin. Particularly, I'm hoping, for poly's-- that's the stuff that really slows me down.
     
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    3 tool limit.

    That sounds like a good band name.
     
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    'KerryR' one thing good about poly is you will not end up with a string down at the bottom that looks like a pretzel. When I weave poly strings when I get to the end I am forever clipping off the end because it is so bent up.

    EDIT: I think this will work well for natty gut for the same reason as it will help protect the end of the string.
     
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  5. KerryR

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    Works great.
     
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    Bead--Speed Weaving

    Irvin: What a clever way to speed weave the crosses.

    I can't wait to try it. You continue to improve stringing for the rest of us.

    Thanks for sharing!

    Albert
     
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    uhmm that is awesome. So a jewelry bead from a craft store? that's fantastic.
     
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    You still got across the string bed pretty quick. Cool trick, thanks for sharing.
     
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  9. Irvin

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    Actually they came from Wal-Mart but you can get them anywhere. I am not sure if there are different beads or not but the ones I used had large holes in them probably 3 mm or so and all the edges were rounded. I don't think you want anything with small holes or sharp edges. You want the string to slide through the bead as you go. The bead is just on the string so you get a good grip and a better feel for when you are going over and under the mains.

    Thanks and you're welcome, it did get quicker after a few more times across the mains. If you seen how fast I pull weave you could see a big difference. This gives you a little more 'grip' on the string too so even when I got down to the bottom I could weave all the way across without restarting.
     
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    I need to try something. I push weave and suck..I am slow. It takes me 45 minutes to do a stick, and I want to get it to 35. I do mains in 10-15 minutes.

    Pull weaving with the bead could be a nice start.
     
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    fantastic ingenuity, Irvin! as always, thanks for sharing!
     
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    regardless of how fast i can weave, it still takes me about 50-60+ mins because i've been experimenting w/ the JayCee method which recommends pulling tension slowly and letting each string stabilize for ~15 secs before clamping off. and stringing M8 before coming back to M7 to tie off requires more planning around blocked holes.
     
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    Quite inventive. But I prefer normal weaving, practice makes perfect.
     
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    Try this instead of pulling a tennis string through at first. Get some braided nylon string and braid loops on both ends of a 3' string. Run one string through one bead and pull it through the mains with the ends of the string ending up on the opposite side from the center of the string with the bead. You actually have two strings with loops pulled through your mains. Now weave another string in the opposite direction between the two strings you just pulled through. Now you have four string with the two center string woven opposite the firs two. Now between all those weave another the same as the first. Do that 8 times and you will have 16 cross weave one in the center and they all alternate. Now pull your tennis string through at the end with one string at a time and you will be able to weave your crosses faster than you ever did before.

    If that is difficult to follow or you don't think it will work let me know and I will try it for real and / or make a video.
     
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    That could be video worthy as I am slow and it is a little hard to follow.
     
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    Consider it done but not today maybe tomorrow.
     
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    Irvin,

    I just strung up a full poly, using your tool for the crosses. I got 15 tools for $1.50 at Rite Aide, and they included some wire and a little hasp, too.

    You deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. This, I think, may be the best all time stringing tip EVER.

    This alone shaved close to 15 minutes off my time, and was fun to do besides-- not usually how I feel about weaving poly crosses.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. But... why the @#%& didn't I come up with that??????

    Kerry
     
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    WHAT!!! No say it isn't so, they not only stole my idea but they are undercutting me to boot?

    I am glad it worked for you.

    EDIT: I have been thinking a lot about what I discussed in Post #15. If this works the way I think it will it will cut more off your time. Before long the rackets will string themselves.
     
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  19. KerryR

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    Post 15?? I must've missed something...
     
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    How much were the pink beads going for in your ad?


    j/k;)
     
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    I am not sure I am at liberty to say I may get censored again. LOL But it was quite high. Someone said they went out and got some at a drug store 15 for $1.50. Using one with full bed poly they cut 15 minutes off their time.
     
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    15 minutes sounds a bit excessive, but this looks fun enough to try. Who is representing you on the patent application?
     
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    Wondered where Venus and Serena's beads were? Increase the weavibility.
     
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    This trick made a big difference for me on my full poly setup, where the later weaves get very difficult. (For more experienced stringers, that may not be such a hurdle, but, for me, it certainly is.

    It may be excessive, but it's real: Timed on a watch, same full poly string, same racket: before the bead method, 60 minutes, including cutting and mounting, with the bead, 44ish minutes, including cutting and mounting. Both times included slowish pull times on the lockout (ala JET on a l.o), 5 seconds 'rest' followed by a second pull, then clamp. YMMV, but, for me, it made a big difference on the stiff and slippery Wilson Enduro Tour. Without the bead, I can no longer push weave the entire face just past the middle of the racket, and have to switch to weave a few, pull slack, weave, pull, etc., then for the last 4 or so, use needle nose to keep things faster. With the bead I pull or push weaved everything except the last cross, a very hard weave ala JET, for which I used curved needle nose\. Plus, it was actually fun, not usually how I view full poly weaves.

    To get the beads, I got a bracelet at Rite Aid for $1.50 that was made up of 15 or so beads of the right size. I'm sure a craft store or bead shop would sell perfect beads individually for far less, but I don't have such in my small town.

    I later went to the hardware store. There's an isle that has bins of small parts. In those bins are nylon and metal spacers, used in place of large stack of washers on bolts-- look like little plastic or metal tubes. Their elongated shape may make them easier to 'store' in your hand between weaves and may make orienting the tube for string insertion faster; my bangle beads are spherical, which require some fumbling to locate the hole, the cylindrical shape of the spacer will make orienting the tube far easier, I think.

    I think this is the coolest stringing tip EVER.
     
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    Irvin, I use your string/ribbon method when stringing poly. Have you tried combining the string/ribbon method with the bead method on the return?
     
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    No I don't use the string method actually because it takes too long to set up. Today I am going to try something new so keep an eye out for it.
     
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    I bet Irvin is a master at Guitar Heroes! I'll try tonight.
     
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    That's just outright clever... thanks for the tip as always Irvin!
     
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    Thanks Irvin. I used your string method before. I am switching to this new bead method. Can't wait to see what you come up with next :).
     
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    Thanks, I have been working on a few different ideas and I think I have a very good solution if I can get it made. It just not that easy to make.
     
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    Exactly.

    The string idea was great but I never got around to setting it up to actually use it. This one is just so quick and simple to implement! I'm always impressed by people that can look at something that's been done literally millions of times and come up with an elegant simple improvement that makes things easier for a wide(r) range of people. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    Stop talking about the product. This thread must live!
     
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    reinstated and merged original thread with joke sale portion removed...
     
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    Great idea Irvin!
     
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    Thanks, sorry about the joke I am sure if you don't know when people are joking and when they are not it is hard and time consuming to police the forum.
     
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    A great Christmas presnt.......

    My sore fingers thank you, 8 times. You know how arrogant thumbs are!
     
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    Well I tried all the ideas I had an it just gets too confusing. The single bead on the tennis string works the best. Sorry for all the hoop-la I really though it was going to work.
     
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    The bead method it is!!

    I need to go to Sally Beauty now apparently.
     
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    The single bead on the string works well just the other methods I thought would work didn't. Yet! I have not given up though.
     
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    Looks like I'll be taking a trip to the local Michaels soon.
     
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    Seriously, any beauty supply store sells hair beads, 24 for 99 cents or less. Just saw one thousand for $2.99. Imagine picking up that many from a tennis court.
     
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    We need round ones that are wide enough so there is no friction. I think that is the main criteria.
     
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    Gotta get some hair beads, I guess. That should be entertaining for the cashier, what with my follicley challenged scalp and all...
     
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