New Video - How to weave crosses faster

Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by Irvin, Dec 20, 2011.

  1. Irvin

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    It takes me longer to string a racket this way mainly because I fumble around for the bead. But I strung full bed poly yesterday and VS Gut today and it is so much easier on the string when you get to the bottom.
     
  2. mad dog1

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    agreed! it actually slows me down on the crosses so i'm only using the bead method on hard weaves and the last few crosses.
     
  3. zapvor

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    oh nevermind my post then!

    i guess if you do go to a shop you wont see any legit real stringers using this method....
     
  4. mad dog1

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    you mean like when i go to a shop and see a "legit real stringer" stringing crosses for a one piece pattern starting from the throat to the top? sure, ok. :roll:
     
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    Who cares? Seriously..grow up man.

    For the rest of us non beasts, this seems to be quite a nice tip by Irvin.
     
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  6. sundaypunch

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    Geez, who raised you? I think you made your point. Is it really necessary to be impolite over and over?
     
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  9. zapvor

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    lol i wasnt discrediting his suggestion. i was merely saying that for non beginners it's not needed. as you keep stringing you will find eventually that you wont need it either.
     
  10. zapvor

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    i would say my first post was impolite. the latter ones i was merely responding to others' posts. how are they impolite?
     
  11. zapvor

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    um.......yea ok i see you dont string much
     
  12. zapvor

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    I have been stringing 2 years and I still like the tip.

    No one cares that you string at a shop.
     
  14. mad dog1

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    done! :grin: 8)
     
  15. vinouspleasure

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    Your remark is insulting because you're saying that people that use this method are not "legit real stringers". Since many people consider themselves "real legit stringers" and don't share your definition of "real legit stringers" (whatever that may be), people find your post offensive.

    Irvin posted a tip that many people will find useful. He gave of his own time in creating and posting a video. What has your contribution been to this thread? How have you increased the knowledge of our tennis community?
     
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  16. zapvor

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    I think I phrased my post poorly.I was just merely saying that while the tip is helpful in the long run its not necessary.to be certain I am not saying I am a better stringer than you guys.and also just the fact that any shop stringer won't be seen doing this.
     
  17. zapvor

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    Lol your post backfired.not what you thought
     
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    Let me rephrase. A usrsa mrt does not use this method.that was all I was trying to say
     
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    Just how would you know someone would fail the exam if they strung a racquet using this??
    If you see that it is prohibited in the USRSA guide let us all know.

    It's not that I use this tip, as I can weave fairly decent as I have strung my share of racquets in past, but this tip of Irvins can help a good # of stringers here, and also I would find it hard to believe that if someone used this on an MRT exam it would be not allowed.
    I bet if Irvin sent this tip to the USRSA for the tips and techniques section of the USRSA mag. RSI it would probably be published .
     
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    Of course it's not necessary. That is why it's called a "tip".

    It's obvious that people view this as a clever idea and appreciate that it was posted. Your posts speak for themselves.
     
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    If you don't want to use the beads for stringing you can always use them for an avatar.
     
  22. KerryR

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    Hey, I just had an idea: if the beads are shaped like little tennis balls, as in Irvin's (probably temporary) avatar, doesn't that increase their "legitimacy", possibly freeing fearful MRT's and shop stringers, never mind the rest of us "illegitimate" stringers, to use them for "legitimate" stringing if they want to???

    :lol:
     
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    I'll have you know my parents were married for 11 years or so before I was born.
     
  24. zapvor

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    ok nevermind guys. my innocent comment has been blown up enough.

    maybe next week i will start a thread with a tip on how to string faster.
     
  25. Maui19

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    I have strung several racquets now using the bead weave. I like it. I don't use it on the last three crosses because things are too tight there, but I think it does make stringing the crosses easier.

    Thanks for the tip Irvin.

    And nice avatar LOL
     
  26. Irvin

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    LOL thanks. I use it (for the most part) the bead method just the opposite from you. I like to use it near the bottom where the going gets a little harder and I still push weave the center of the frame. But to each his own, it's not for everyone.

    BTW the way I got my inspiration from 'diredesire's' logo and I checked to make sure it was OK with him. I wish I could add a rintone to my avatar I know just what I want - BEAT IT.
     
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  27. KerryR

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    Great! I'd be curious to see what you have.
     
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    Oh.

    I thought you were making a serious offer to start another useful thread on faster and more efficient stringing. My bad.
     
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    I have tried this as well and I agree with you entirely. I also asked a player who has never strung a racquet to try to weave in a few crosses on the racquet that I was stringing for him (full poly hybrid), at first without the bead (painfully slow) then using the bead (much easier) after a few crosses he really started to do a reasonably good job.
    To teach a newbie to stringing it is a very interesting idea, as for regular stringers, at the top and bottom crosses which I hand weave I think that its very usefull, it does preserve the string better on a hard weave. I use the SW
    cross-stringer for all the remaining crosses, so I don't need the bead.
    I believe that if a stringer really became used to stringing with a bead and strung many racquets every day it could be a good finger saver if he strings a lot of full polys and a good string saver for gut and textured (rough) strings.
    I don't see how a stringer could be criticized because he uses the bead, quite the contrary, it's a real trick of the trade well worth keeping in mind.
    Good thinking Irvin.
    JB
     
  32. zapvor

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    lol i might. do you have any suggestions
     
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    No suggestions-- I'm quite new to stringing, so I have very little to offer in the way of speed and efficiency tips, though I'm pretty familiar with most of the 'tricks' on USRSA, here, and others.

    If you have something new, or even just rarely mentioned, and helpful to offer that you feel like sharing, like Irvin did with his bead thing, that'd be cool.
     
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    Irvin, I just now saw this thread on your beads tip and cant wait to get home and actually try it. Keep up the good work and hopefully it works for me as perfectly as it worked for you in your video.
     
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    Yes Irvin nice job I got a bead and can't wait to try

    @volleygirl - you luck you should have a bead already unlike all us guys who have to go out and buy one haha
     
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    i meant if you have a suggestion for me on what i can start a thread on. i think this board is pretty informative as it is but i will help out if i can. welcome to the stringing world! nothing beats stringing up your baby and go hit with it right after
     
  37. sundaypunch

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    How about coming up with a brand new way to string crosses that has never been discussed here before. Something that is clever, useful and low cost?
     
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    lol well that was kind of my point. the way crosses are done now are pretty efficient as it is. you got guys doing rackets in under 10min at those contests they go to. and those guys did not spend extra money to go that fast. just finger speed right :) i suppose someone can think of something new to make it 5minutes....

    stringing is kinda like tennis in a way. the more you practice the better you get. simple. but if you find a shortcut more power to you.
     
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    i guess i can do a thread on common mistakes made as a beginner. or at least ones i made haha

    edit-so when i first started out my first job was over 3 hours on a electronic. it took me a while to get to about 50min, then that was a long plateau. then finally after like close to a year of that it clicked one day for me and now i can crank them out if i have to. but i prefer to take my time. avg 30min a frame.
     
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    Speed stringing is not what most of us are after, just more efficient ways to get a good job done. Again, Irvin's bead suggestion, particularly for stiff strings (no one ever uses poly for speed stringing contests) and hard weaves fits the bill admirably, and really is completely new.

    If you have something new to offer, stuff that's not already well covered elsewhere (beginner's common mistakes are already pretty well covered), that'd be awesome. Of course, it's tough to find something new under the sun, so I wouldn't be too shocked if you weren't able to come up with something.

    But, you're the one who mentioned starting a new thread on faster stringing, so I assume you must have something.
     
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    The GSS Symposium uses Prince Poly for the speed stringing contest.
     
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    Safety glasses a must, even for spectators during this competition.
     
  44. KerryR

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    I stand corrected!

    Poly is so much harder to weave (for me, anyway) that I assumed they'd use a nice soft syn-gut (like they appear to on the Tennis Warehouse speed string video). I'm impressed they can weave poly so fast. I have enough difficulty just dealing with the coil memory with poly, never mind weaving efficiently.

    But, speed really isn't my primary concern, just ease and efficiency. When I string nylons, I don't need the bead. When I string poly's, I use JET, and a bead to make things easier and a little faster.
     
  45. zapvor

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    you are missing the point. i am not after speed either. but the original point of the thread was a new method to make weaving faster, thus increasing speed. my point was instead of doing this new method, you can just practice like those guys do for the contests and get better at weaving. let me put it this way, when you were a kid you had one of those bicycles with the 2 little training wheels. which made it a lot easier. but if you stuck with them you wouldnt never grow into riding it better relying on that. the more you ride without the little wheels...the better you become. sure you will have more falls, but thats part of the journey. i may have spent a long long long time being stuck at 50min because i was weaving slow, but all that time practicing finally paid off.

    so yes the beads are great and will speed up weaving. but just look at those guys at the contests. they didnt use the 'training wheels' and they turned out fine.
     
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    Great tip, look forward to trying it out this weekend.
     
  47. Irvin

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    I titled my thread "How to weave your crosses faster." I did that because I wanted to attract those stringers that are having issues weaving crosses. In the original post I said this method does not always allow me to weave my crosses faster. I thought I made that clear maybe not.
     
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    As has been said over and over in this thread, it may or may not make it faster. For many it just makes it easier, especially for the last few crosses.

    It's easy to jump into someone's thread and criticize or point out problems. You keep saying you will start a "helpful" thread. You obviously don't have anything helpful to add.
     
  49. KerryR

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    Yup, they sure did.

    I'm fine, too, even though I didn't turn out to be a tournament stringer.

    Many illustrators can draw a really nice, straight line. I like to use a ruler. No one cares.

    Many stringers don't need or want to use the bead. I like it. No one cares.
     
  50. zapvor

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    my apologies man i dont mean to hijack your thread. your tip is great for those who like to use it. its just my belief that this method isnt needed so
     

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