Next Generation of Pro Staff is Here; Pro Staff RF 97 Review

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  1. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    People who never used a traditionally weighted racquets:

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    People who grew up and continues to use traditionally weighted racquets, and hearing that it's "heavy":

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  2. Power Player

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    Say Chin, ill put money on the table that I'm a lot stronger than you, and the RF97 is a heavy stick. It just is. Doesn't mean it won't work for folks, but to act like it's not heavy is a little crazy.

    Dimitrov said it was heavy and tough to use 5 months ago..lol.
     
  3. osutennis24

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    :lol:

    That shall be me
     
  4. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Oh ok, I'll put money on the table that I'm a lot stronger than you too. Cause you know, it's words vs words.

    I never said these frames aren't heavy, I never said my frame isn't heavy. I just don't whine about it being heavy.
     
  5. -Bobo-

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    I'm not sure why you guys are bringing strength into the matter when you look at fed he looks like he just escaped from a POW camp and doesn't have any trouble swinging it so I'd say technique has far more to do with it.
     
  6. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I've implied such observation. But you know, since we're talking about a 12+oz racquet, we all got to hulk out. (not really)
     
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  7. BreakPoint

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    I have zero muscles and my racquets are over 13 oz. :shock:
     
  8. TooManyRacquets

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    Federer though, along with all the other elite players, are all extremely strong. Have you seen his legs?
     
  9. asifallasleep

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    The KPS88 is the best frame I've ever it with. If one could handle the weight, I don't think there's ever been a more solid stick. With a leather grip and overgrip it's over 13 ounces. I've been experimenting with using two overgrips and no leather or synthetic grip which brings the static weight to a more manageable 12.5 ounces.

    I can't decide if I should just buy a couple of RF97's or wait for people to sell them after realizing they can't handle the weight.
     
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  10. arche3

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    I thought you said you can't play 2 sets with a k90? Or swing it fast enough for 2 sets. Now you claim you use over 13 oz?
     
  11. Bartelby

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    As every Catholic knows, the rhythm method is best.


     
  12. BreakPoint

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    I lead up my K90s.

    And I never said I couldn't play 2 sets with the K90. I said it gets harder to swing it as fast after playing for 4 hours. I don't play many matches that last over 4 hours, and it's not that you CAN'T swing it as fast but that it gets harder to, i.e., you have to expend more energy doing it.
     
  13. ShahofTennis

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    I must say that the condition Feds legs are in is appalling. He's also got a billboard for a back.
     
  14. Bartelby

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    Four hours? You're straining credulity here!


     
  15. Power Player

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    Its not words though. I have seen your frame and I know I'm much stronger. If I have an appointment on the west coast we can hang and I'm pretty sure you will give me that, and then we can hit some balls and have fun.

    Its not about that though. Its more about the fact this Fed signature IS a heavy stick for most people.

    If its not for you, you are going to have a pro staff party because it sounds solid as a rock.
     
  16. Power Player

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    Fed is the greatest tennis player in history though by most arguments. He plays 4-6 hours a day.

    So yes, he has probably the best technique of all time and incredible tennis strength that no one here has.
     
  17. big ted

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    this frame has quite a larger head and thicker beam than a 90 or 85 which makes it much more difficult to swing around imo. what may help though is its headlight balance.
     
  18. JGads

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    BreakPoint could take him.
     
  19. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Oh cool, have you seen my technique too? Only the weak and insecured go on and on about how strong they are.

    But yeah, I said it before and I'll say it again, 12.5oz frames are normal for me. If you really want to prove how "strong" you are, come by SF and let's have a bench-off. Come on, you don't want this little 150lbs nothing Asian dude out bench you now. I mean, I can't possible out-bench my own body weight, and then some, or can I?

    Since you big and burly and all. Give me a heads up though, I might need some spinach ahead of time. Cause you know, me and my 5'8 frame might need it.

    I'm not really sure what your problem is with me. Is it because that a supposedly "strong man" like yourself have problems playing with "heavy" racquets, and that you're jealous my supposedly "small" frame is capable of swinging these clubs so effortlessly. And to justify that jealousy, you deem these heavy frames to be unplayable when tons of people grew up playing with them and treat them like normal. Or, that you simply don't like me for who knows why and I really can care less.

    Point is, these frames not heavy, and if they are heavy to you, then leave them be while others enjoy the hell out of them. I'm still open to a bench-off since you're so confident and ASSumptious about our strengths. Come on man, I'm 150lbs, should be easy for you.
     
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  20. BreakPoint

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    You mean you never play tennis for 4 hours? I sometimes do. I just don't play many matches that last over 4 hours. But play 6 sets for practice? Sure do.
     
  21. Bartelby

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    No, the most I play for is 2 hours or so. I can't say that I'd play good enough tennis beyond that point to enjoy it.
     
  22. morten

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    It is not more headlight than the 85 or the older 90s...
     
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  24. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Dude was calling me out for no reason. So if he's going to run his mouth, I'll run mine too.
     
  25. sargeinaz

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    That didn't sound like PP was attacking you or anything for you to get that sensitive about it. He even said you guys can hit some balls and have fun.
     
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  26. Power Player

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    haha..yeah I can't even believe that response. It may have been TT over reaction of the year. :shock:

    Just saying I don't think it's debatable the autograph version of this stick is a heavy frame.

    Hankenstein play tested it already and pretty much said as much.
     
  27. 125 square inch

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    Pp has a knack to be aggressively stubborn about his POV. Just look at any other threads he has dominated. Yonex ai98, Yonex Tour G, t310, Wilson 99s steam.......

    Heard it all before... Here on out it's going to be some fighting words.

    As that ole Lionel Richie song..... Say you, say me....
     
  28. 125 square inch

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    This is going to be another one of those threads. Let me guess, PP is going to insist RF97 autograph is too heavy and that one's better off with 97L cause one or two (out of 500) TTers testifies this.
     
  29. Power Player

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    LOL..I love the "new posters" here.

    Relax. You probably didn't need to stack two posts about something this trivial.
     
  30. 125 square inch

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    I just laugh. When he gets his hands on it, likes it. If he likes it, PP will turn 180degrees. His lifetime vow to his other rackets will magically end.
     
  31. Power Player

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    I think I have a new obsessed fan.
     
  32. SpinToWin

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    I'm so jealous ;) :p
     
  33. Power Player

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    Just keep posting racquet reviews and you will get them too.

    It's pretty much the same few guys which is why its always a newer account on the attack.

    I basically have a fake fan base. It's all a big sham :(
     
  34. iceman_dl6

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    I guess we ALL can't wait for TW's review!!!
     
  35. 125 square inch

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    You are all goats! Of course I am a fan.
     
  36. 125 square inch

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    Ps 90s, although I like to think I am good with it, realistically-I shankalot with it. I do much better with a bab. Love the Apd. Now if rf97 is comparable I might switch back.
     
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    Lol. Pp, you are a great poster. Of course I couldn't be as serious as you are but definitely enjoy reading your POV.
     
  38. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I just don't get why people want to populate a thread about a racquet which he can't play anyway, because it's "too heavy".
     
  39. Power Player

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    Relax, I play with a 350 gram racquet. I was simply saying there is no need to call people out for thinking the frame is heavy - it is in todays terms. Thats pretty obvious.

    Im not jealous or picking on you or any other wild assumption. I just think for most folks the 315 is a better choice, especially since you can customize it a little and really dial it in.
     
  40. 125 square inch

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    SCSL, some folks has a power game where muscles count, some has textbook game where swing counts, perhaps like yourself.

    I have seen 12 years hit the sh-t out of balls because of their dynamic swing at tourneys with PS90s.

    If one has the full swing, proper prep, mass of the racquet is to their advantage. The heavier the better.

    I for one am too lazy, I like the racket to do some work for me. Prefer the compact swing. Just look at Agassi and Sampras, the older they get, the bigger and lighter their racquets.
     
  41. 125 square inch

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    *12 year olds.
     
  42. Nostradamus

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    I didn't know you live in SF. I go there often. lets have a bench off sometimes. I am kind of getting old but love to show I am the strong man...:)
     
  43. 125 square inch

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    Nostradamus, you are not a chick? Shock shock shock.

    Sigh, guess we are a bunch of disgruntled male testosterone, with our lives ruined by the women beside us.
     
  44. SpinToWin

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  45. BreakPoint

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    Agassi switched to a smaller racquet when he got older.
     
  46. drakulie

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    oh boy. the 'heavy racquet talk'. :roll: Fact is, heavy or not, if you are a "3.0,,3.5, 4.0,4.5, etc", you will remain at that level with either a 13 oz wood frame, or 8 oz 135 sq inch frame. Yeah, yeah, the lighter frame with the oversize head "may" make things easier for you, but you will still be a 3.5.

    Just simply get past this BS, hit with what you like and have fun whatever NTRP you are, or whatever amount of weight you could bench press.

    On to the racquet, anyone else hit with it?? I know hankenstein completed a nice review. Anyone else???
     
  47. geese_com

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    Thanks for the review. I saw you at the merch tent at Cincy. Wanted to say hi, but I thought it would be weird. I am excited for my RF97s to come in.
     
  48. ShahofTennis

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    What does benching(chest strength) have to do with swinging heavy racquets? Doesn't a bulbous pectoralis major interfere with swinging a racquet?
    We should argue over more tennis specific muscle groups!
    Hey @SpinToWin, however many abs you're packing, I have double. :lol:
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  49. PeterFig

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    I've played with it now quite a bit...would post a review but I'd probably just get side-tracked and ramble on about how great the paint job is...... Hahahaha ;)

    Can't wait to hear what others think once they've had a chance to hit with it :)
     
  50. Nostradamus

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    Man dude, this RF autograph is not a heavy racket, 12 oz unstrung, 12.6 oz strung.

    and Stop talking about WOOD rackets, they are GONE. and those OLD dudes that played with Wood could not do anything the Modern players can. OLD tennis with wood rackets were boring slow ball tennis. racket was so heavy, they couldn't play anything amazing
     

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